Gag Reflex
 

I can not get past the gag reflex, no matter how hard I try. Can this be surgically corrected? How do I approach a medical professional to have it done? And finally, is there a way to justify it medically so that it is covered by insurance.

Signed,
A wannabe deepthroater

Recently we had a discussion here at my parent's house during dinner which touched on this subject.

No, really.

But my family wasn't talking about sucking dick. Not by a longshot. Thank god.

My aunt mentioned a gal she works with who had surgery for snoring and sleep apnea which removes a large part of the upper palette and the uvula. She says this girl claims to no longer have a gag reflex because of the procedure.

I decided it was best not to participate in this discussion so I just kept my mouth shut.

Two years before my ex and I split up, he had this very same surgery to correct his sleep apnea. It worked to a degree. However, I cannot tell you if it made his deepthroating technique any better for several reasons. For one, he only sucked my dick twice in the two years after his surgery. Also, he was never a fantastic cocksucker, he was moderately OK at best. Third, he never really had a problem with gagging to begin with.

But what I CAN tell you that this surgery is EXTREME. It is INCREDIBLY PAINFUL. He was on morphine (for real) for two days while recovering in a military hospital. I went to visit him and he couldn't keep his eyes open for more than a few minutes at a time. He would grimace in pain even as he was sleeping. He was on a liquid diet for I think about a week when he came home. I gave him a little bell to ring when he needed me -- he was unable to speak above a whisper. I forget the name of the pain meds he was on when he came home from the hospital -- it was a super-tiny white tablet, looked like a hit of microdot acid. I took one on a whim to see how strong it was. It knocked me on my ass -- and I'm a dude who can eat five ten milligram valium tabs or three Tylenol with codeine tabs and not blink an eye.

What I'm telling you is that NO SURGEON will even consider this as an elective procedure if you do not have severe sleep apnea. It took the Navy THREE YEARS of testing and alternative treatments before they approved this last-resort for my ex. Granted the Navy won't spend a dime it doesn't have to spend, but this kind of surgery is not a walk in the park. It is MAJOR surgery and excruciatingly painful with a long recovery period.

Any surgeon who would do this with no legitimate medical necessity should have his license to practice medicine revoked.

Sorry, dude -- you won't find a medical solution to your problem.

The good news is that a LOT of dudes here will probably have TONS of great suggestions for you about how you can practice deep throating and get results. The practicing should be fun, don't you think?

I'll have to leave all of that to the other men out there, though: I am NOT a great deep throater myself. I do find I have no problem giving a guy I am seriously into some great head, but I'm more often the suckee than the sucker. Any dude who tries to force his dick down my throat or face-fuck me just ends up making me choke and I have a lousy time. A guy who lets me do things my own way (more or less) gets better results.

The only tip I can offer you is to breathe through your nose.

And just for the record, while deep throating is great and a lot of guys can do awesome tricks with their throat muscles to my dick, I do find that for me it isn't a necessity. I prefer more attention to other areas of my penis. Deepthroating is not always required for outstanding head, but it sure is something worth learning.

Good luck and have fun practicing.

Thanks for the input
 

I figured it would probably not be easy, practical or doable...so I will keep practicing. I practiced in the park a couple of blocks from work today. Didn't gag until he blasted a huge load all the way at the back of my mouth. Oh well, I'll keep practicing.

Yeah, I'd just keep practicing. I hear the surgery is painful as well. I know a few guys who have had it done for sleep apnea, and it didn't even work, and they went through a lot of pain from it.

I have to wonder though if you are completely serious about this post though. I mean really...surgery to deep throat cock?

Serious
 

I am serious, though I was not thinking of something as involved as sleep apnea surgery. And besides I am too thin to be able to "pass" for that surgery. Have a friend who is a nurse in a sleep clinic, she maintains that 90% of sleep ap patients just need to loose weight.

I was thinking of something simplier, but will resort to practice, practice, practice.

Afterall, if a first you don't succeed, suck suck suck til you suck seed!

Deepthroating
 

I have never been a good one but recently (see my other gang bang post) I had a night where I was the king of deep throat dick suck.

I started out gagging (huge dick by the way) but as he talked to me and I got hot and he fed me poppers (could only breathe through my nose so he held it there often) I got deeper and suddenly I felt his pubes on my face and he says something like "thats my good little bitch" or similar. I suddenly realized I had his whole BIG cock in me and I shot off instantly...then I wiped my cum on his dick which made him stiffen even more then I licked and deep throated him till he shot down my throat. Later he came in my mouth (love that) but I was so ready to let him fuck me after he fucked my throat and shot down it...when he asked if I was ready to fuck I was on my face like lightning since his big cock in my non-gagging throat had pretty well made me his bitch.

Dunno if it was excitement or poppers but I have been excited before and unable so whatever it takes...I'll be doing THAT again to feel warm skin and pubes on my lips and face.

The gag reflex does serve a vital interest -- our longevity. Why anyone would want to surgically alter or eliminate something that is vital to our longevity simply defies logic. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of medical necessity when it is for the purpose of deep throating someone's cock or any other foreign object.

I'll leave the anatomy lecture to Dr. Danny who is well-qualified to speak to the issue if surgery is medically sound and indicated to enable someone to overcome the gag reflex in deepthroating cock or any other foreign object.

It seems to me that this kind of surgery would fall into the category of procedures for which there is no sound medical necessity. If it does and I'm wrong, I want to know where I can go and get a penis transplant from someone dying or willing to donate at least 12 inches.

:D

I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

I mentioned my ex's surgery for sleep apnea because it was the same surgery my aunt's associate at work had for her own sleep disorder. This gal now claims she has no more gag reflex due to her missing uvula.

I DO know the uvula is involved in creating the gag reflex, but I do NOT know if it is the ONLY culprit. I rather suspect that simply shoving something down your throat will cause you to gag whether or not you have a uvula.

Not only is the uvula removed in this surgery, but also some of the upper palette. How much of the palette that is removed is determined by the surgeon and varies from patient to patient.

There IS a sound medical necessity for this surgery -- sleep apnea can be extremely dangerous. I recall MANY nights waking up to hear my ex gasp, shudder, then stop breathing for a short time. I'd always wake him up and he'd inhale sharply to catch his breath. He tried every alternative, including those CPAP machines, but found no relief until the surgery.

For the record, the surgery reduced his snoring by about eighty percent, I'd say. His apnea improved as well, though neither was completely cured. Prior to the surgery, however, I had to spend some nights sleeping on the sofa just because his snoring was so loud that it made it impossible to sleep at all.

I have not heard of any other surgeries available that would make any difference as far as deepthroating is concerned. I discussed the sleep apnea surgery because it is the only thing I know of that could POSSIBLY make a difference, even though it is NOT a viable option whatsoever.

Hope that clears things up. Now let's just hear from the expert deep throaters out there and give this guy some tips!

Tips
 

I heard about a guy who had a deviated septum corrected- it was a minor surgery for snoring and sinus problems that improved his ability to breathe through his nose, which helped his cock sucking. However, since most of us seem to agree that going under the knife in order to be a better cock sucker is a bit radical, let me throw out that angle is important to good deep throat service. I can do things on my knees with my partner standing that I can't do if he lays on his back in bed. Sitting on the floor with my back against the couch seems to remove all limits! I hope that some of the Meisterslurpers on the board will elaborate on this for the benefit of us all!

Also, if teeth are an issue, take only as much of the cock as you can comfortably and focus your attention there. Most of the nerve endings are near the tip anyway, and it doesn't feel good to have teeth close in on the cock as you move toward the base. I'd a lot rather have a guy take half my dick and provide some good bobbing action than to have someone drag their teeth down the whole length and make it feel like they are biting it off at the base!

the uvula is pretty important in speech also. i'm not sure you can make nasal sounds without it. have your tried lying down with your head off the edge of the bed. it is the easiest position to deep throat. also try yawning before you go down. the open feeling that gives you in the troat is the one you want to maintain to deepthroat. good luck. practice more often, it's fun!

Regarding the uvula and speech:

It vibrates when you talk, yes. But it isn't necessary and its removal doesn't always change someone's voice.

When my ex had the surgery done, they told him he might expect a change in the tenor of his voice, but that this was just POSSIBLE and not likely. They said it would be a minor change, if any change happened at all.

Once he was able to speak at a normal volume a couple weeks into his recovery, there was a VERY SLIGHT difference in his voice. But this didn't last for long at all -- he sounds the same now as he always did, minus his uvula and a good portion of his upper palette.

uvula
 

i'm not sure how one makes a nasl sound without a uvula since it is the lowering of the uvula that pushes the air and sound into the nasal cavities in order to make a nasal sound. but i have no personal experience and you make be correct.

Personally, I would rather not be deep-throated, although a good blowjob is my personal favorite. I'm hung long and thick, and teeth are a real problem (paranoid about being scratched, know what I mean?). So don't worry about it - a mouth to fit the first 4-5 inches, and a nice greasy hand or two for the rest is all I require. And maybe a couple of nice hairy pecs to play with during.

To be honest with you, I am too lazy right now to look up information on the uvula and how it pertains to the formation of certain sounds. I will get around to it eventually, though.

But yes: I lived several years with my ex who had his uvula removed -- there was no difference in his voice once he had fully healed from the surgery. Therefore I must conclude that the removal of a uvula is probably not going to affect the speech of most folks.

For the record, my ex had a fairly "standard" male voice, whatever that means, if such a thing exists. I guess what I'm saying is he simply sounded like a dude.

So I'm not debating anything here: I'll look up uvulas when I am in the mood for that -- but the facts of what happened with my ex are entirely true. Take it for what it's worth.

And now, back to dicksucking.

For the three dudes out there who are still interested in this...

A Google search basically provided this general information on the uvula:

There is disagreement among medical professionals as to the necessity of this organ. Some consider it vestigial and useless; others feel it IS important for speech.

Mostly what I gather is that those who have lost their uvula at an early age or in the rare case where the uvula is missing at birth as the result of a palette deformity are most likely to have difficulty learning to speak correctly. Those who have their uvula removed later in life don't seem to have any problems with speech or general life without it.

This would seem to support my own experiences.

At any rate, whatever the hell a uvula does, it's a fun word to say. I have always enjoyed it ever since I learned at as a kid in a Saturday Night Live sketch with Gilda Radner, back in the days when the show as actually funny.

SNL when it was funny
 

I'm glad I am not the only one who remembers SNL at it's prime! And I do believe that was where I learned the word too, when they were making a connection to the vulva, right?

I was in Miami last week and made mention of this thread to a guy I was talking to in one of the adult theaters. He suggested Baby Oragel on the head of a cock or dildo to slightly numb the back of the throat to get over the the gagging. I haven't tried it yet, but along that same line I wonder if Baby Oragel on the head of a cock would allow the guy to go a lot longer? Just wondering...

It's killing me that I can't remember the details to the uvula sketch. It was Chevy Chase, Gilda Radner and Lorraine Newman. Chase was a doc, educating the girls about the uvula. I think.

This sketch is featured on the SNL album -- back in the days when an album was made of vinyl. I have this record, in fact, though it's back home in Florida so I have no access to it right now. Sure wish I did. It's just a collection of various sketches that play well as dialogue and don't rely on visuals so much.

A Google search will bring up the album in question, with "Uvula" as a track title, but I wasn't able to find the script for the sketch anywhere.

As for OraGel -- we rather recently discussed this, too. I can't recall the title of the post, though. Was it "OraGel," perhaps?

I recall the post because it showed up on the boards a day or two AFTER I was home alone, bored and horny -- and I smeared some OraGel on my dick while jerking off just to see if it did anything worth repeating.

My own opinion was no, it wasn't anything special. It didn't make me feel as if I could last longer. But in all honesty, I can last a REALLY long time so I am probably not the best test subject for this little experiment.

It was OK... there was a little bit of numbing action, but nothing remarkable. Past experiences with numbing creams sold as adult novelties were better. The "official" numbing creams seem stronger to me.

I also used the adult version of OraGel -- I'll assume the Baby OraGel is much less potent.

I have no idea if numbing creams and gels would help with the gag reflex. Maybe. Maybe not. My best guess: everyone is different. It might work for some folks but not for others.

It certainly can't hurt you. If you have trouble deep throating, give it a shot.

With a willing partner who wants to work together with you to make oral sex hotter, I'd guess most anyone can learn to deep throat sooner or later. But I think we're kind of talking about those random encounters with dudes you meet just once or twice where there is little room for more detailed conversation. In cases like this, do the best you can and have fun.

But this leads me to something else which deserves it's own topic heading, probably: guys who get off on choking other guys.

I can't stand this shit, but I do understand that this is erotic for some dudes. Even some cocksuckers want to be choked.

I've been told I'm "the best" at giving head by a few dudes who happen to like the SAME things as I like when I am getting head. But I think I stink at giving head to guys who get off on choking other guys. If a dude lets me ENJOY his dick on the rare occasions that I want to suck a dick, we both have a good time. But the minute he rams his cock in my throat, I gag. I almost NEVER recover from this. I fucking HATE it. STOP IT!

I DO prefer to get sucked, but I'm a gay dude and I love dick, too. I also get annoyed because I think these guys have some sort of size-issue wherein they need to prove they are big enough to choke someone. Get over it.

I met a nice dude the other night. Handsome face, beautiful eyes, masculine. He was all about sucking me, and I had no complaints. I really got off looking at his gorgeous face eating my dick. So much so that I wanted to please him in return. He had a smallish dick, though. Which was fine with me. But he had to go and shove that thing as far into my throat as he could. Ruined everything, at least as far as me enjoying HIS dick was concerned. I had to quit and let him finish me off. I didn't mind this, of course, but I would have had an even HOTTER time if he hadn't felt it necessary to choke me over and over.

Anyway... OraGel can't hurt, but it may or may not help. Try it and see.

And god bless Gilda Radner. I miss her.

Since your trying to be the perfect cocksucker why no have your teeth removed during the surgery too. Just a thought :-))

Teeth
 

Because my teeth don't cause a gag reflex.

I also have trouble with the gag reflex. Some things that I read help, for example:
If I ate recently, the reflex is a lot more sensitive. Seems like the old adage of "wait an hour after eating before swimming" applies to getting the little swimmers too. (Applies to food and liquids, although just liquids dissipate more quickly, and a little alcohol diminishes nerve sensitivity)


Recent practice. I noticed that when I was getting more frequent action (with ones that were long enough)., it gradually took more to gag. What I read was twice a week (or more) between incidents would help. it seemed proved true for me. I also noticed that after a long dry spell, it was back to normal. But then in the next flury of activity it diminished more quickly.

Being relaxed & comfortable helps.

Never got good at DT, but it's normally a non issue. Don't meet many hung, and most weren't pushing for it. Though I do tend to envy the guys who can do it easily on pornos/xtube etc.

As for teeth. I had to have mine removed because of a medical problem. After the teeth were gone, well it was lousy, dentures were nothing like the real thing, you can't really feel food & whatever through them like you do with real teeth and pallet. I always loved sucking a nice cock since I was about 13. But taking the denturs out- wow, I liked a cock in my mouth even more and no worries about trying to keep the teeth from scraping! Added bonus- sucking a thick one for a while (say more than 20 min) always made my jaw ache. No teeth, don't have to open the jaw as much. Never a jaw ache since! (It had no effect on the gag reflex).

I have always found the being comfortable with the guy is the main thing for me -

The desire is always there - but comfort takes a bit longer.

Also I have found that when trying to take it deep in my throat if sometimes there is a little bit of gag reflex - it almost seems to "stroke the ego" of the guy I am sucking - there is a bit of pride about being long enough - even if he does not have that long a cock - just he hit the right spot to make me gag a bit.

I have that happen on occasion also. but once i get him past that point, the reflex goes away and i can take all of him.

i have an eight inch soft dildo i'll "practice" with when i feel that reflex coming back. that helps me quite a bit!

Same here orallyours61! Mine is harder though, but I can stick in on the shower wall so I can get down to suck it or fuck myself to practice once I can finally do... something!
I wish we could practice together. ;)

I want to buy one with the suction cup to stick on the wall - really want to try some butt play however as I get older reaching around it not as comfortable as it used to be!

You can still practice sucking. :)

i have two. that way i can suck and fuck at the same time ;)

course for that, nothing beats the real things!!

Thanks for the idea. I need a second one!

I found this spray on line...deep throat spray, on amzon...........omg! it feels kinda weird but i took every inch of a 10in dildo and probably could have done more if i had a larger one!!!

Is the spray called "MAX"?

Goodhead Deep Throat Spray