CFS Picks for Online Viagra Question
 

Hey,

I need some Viagra. CFS offers this link to "relaible" online pharmacies selling viagra.

The cheapest was this one for 60 tabs:
http://gcpharma.com/catalog/product_...n&currency=USD
It's CGPharmacy.

So is this legite before I buy? Also, the tabs are generic and about 2.33 each at a quantity of 60. Is this a good price compared to buying them from a traditional pharmacy?

Thanks

I wouldnt buy it from them. Wouldnt touch it if someone else did and offered it to me.

There is no such thing as GENERIC viagra. The were proper in saying its chemical name right (sildenafil citrate). However, Pfizer has a world wide patent on the drug that is good for many years to come. Same is true with Cialis.

The site is from a place in Costa Rica. They will probably take your money and run.

Dont waste your money. buy it here. The warehouse clubs are the cheapest,. You must have a Rx to purchase. You will probably spend $8 + per pill. Ask your doctor for a Rx for 100mg tabs and cut them in half. 50 mg is the most common dose. Price per pill is same regardless of size

There are some other drugs that help with ED that you can buy over the counter. Yohombine is effective for some and has some similar side affects as viagra.(flushed face). It works differently as it is a stimulant. Be careful if you have prostate issues or blood pressure issues as this might cause u issues.

Well, I guess a better question is: Has anyone bought viagra online and received the real product, and been happy with it? If so, where?

I've ordered from here before and never had any problems other than the cost: http://usaprescription.com

You can order via secure web site or by phone. Sometimes they have free shipping. I've always opted for the lowest shipping rate and received my supply within a couple of days. They will give a very brief exam - just answer the questions - and they will ask when and by whom you were last examined. Apparently, real dates and fictional names are acceptable. If I remember correctly, the date must be within the last year.

The only drawback to doing business with them is that about 3 times a year I get e-mail from other online pharmacies telling me that it is time to renew my prescription. The e-mails are not from usaprescription so I assume that they sell your e-mail address. You can get around this by ordering by phone. If you order on line you must give an e-mail address for confirmation of your order.

I went to that link and filled everything out. Pretty simple. However, I'm waiting for others to chime in. FUCK--that price is a bit god damn steep isn't it? Over 16 dollars a pill in 100mg doses.

I can't figure out why the patent holder doesn't sell it cheaper and get 10x the customers.

While I'm at it, what about Cialis, which I have also taken? What is the strongest does they come in? Price is about the same at the above link for the 20mg doses.

That price isn't steep at all. 100mg is an overdose. You can easily get the effect you want by cutting the pills in half. That's plenty for HOURS of hard rod action. Personally, I go even further, I never take more than a quarter pill, and that's enough for an entire evening of tubs time, and I don't spend that time hiding away in my room! That cums to $4.00 a night, just try to find a dinner-and-a-movie deal for that price!
But it is still twice the price that you would pay at your pharmacy down the street. Just what is the big deal about going to a local doctor, getting a prescription, and having it filled? Odds are both the doctor and the pharmacist use it themselves.

Okay,I have to admit,I have never felt the need to try anything to try to keep me hard.
Does the amount of viagra or whatever else have a effect on how hard / long you stay?

Well, on an empty stomach, 25mg will get u up like a 16 yo for about 2 hours. 50 mg is the standard dose and that lasts about 5 hours. If you can get an Rx from a doctor, the warehouse clubs (cosco, sams) are the cheapest place, about $9 a pill (100mg).

Cialis works similar except it stays in your system for 36 hours. Food will not deminish its effect like it does viagra. However , many people say it does not produce erections as firm as viagra.

That isn't really a problem, but you have to contact your doctor every time you want the damn things. That's a pain in the ass.

So anyway, if you take teh 100mg pills, do you get harder, or is it like you say, an OD and you get nothing more from it. Or, does it last longer?

Sorry, guy, I guess I live in a more civilized society. Here, in the GREAT White North (wish I could underline as well as capitalize!), my doctor only has to renew the prescription by phone once a year, so it's absolutely no hassle, and no visit required, except for the first one, and for me, that was years ago. Although I do get an annual checkup.
As to the OD question, I don't know. I do know that the flush produced by 25mg makes me look like I have a sunburn, so the blood pressure must be elevated, and I often have a slight headache after it wears off. Maybe 100mg would blow the top of my head off, but I really don't feel the need to find out!

From what I understood from the doctor, 50mg is the standard dose.

The literature in the sample indicated those on HIV therapy that 25mg was the standard dose?? Why I dont know other than if the HIV meds had an effect on your blood pressure it might interfere with each other.

I would say someone that was extra large body size might need a higher dose. But you would have to ask a doctor or look at the literature in a sample.


Dr Danny (cutguy) where are u??

You do? I have a prescription with 11 refills, each refill is a 30 day supply (11 tablets). I pay $10, my insurance pays $68.05. That's $7.09 at CVS. My out of pocket is 90 cents per tablet. You'll not hear me complain.

doesn't anyone here have health insurance?

my blue cross gives me 7 100 mg viagra pills every 34 days for a $20 co-pay. my doc writes a scrip for 4 refills and whenever i see him he gives me a new scrip as though it's the most routine thing in the world.

No insurance. I'm thinking I could get insurance and a scrip, then sell the things for 10 bucks each and pay for the incurance each month and have enough Viagra left over to sue also. hahaaha

My experience ...
 

First, on the matter of insurance ... even if you HAD insurance, it would be a pain in the ass because you are only 41. Since Viagra IS expensive, the insurance companies don't like to pay for it, either. So they make it a royal pain to get if you are under 50 (letter of necessity from the doctor, etc.). Nothing personal, but sometimes it's oversimplifying things to say "just go to your doctor". Especially if you are married, closeted, live in a small town, etc., etc., etc.

I've used Viagra, Cialis and Levitra. For ME, Viagra produced the hardest erection, but the effects do wear off quicker, and if you want to get it to work in a hurry you have to take it on an empty stomach and chew it up (tastes nasty) ... otherwise it'll take a while to get into your system. Not so with Cialis ... it lasts longer, acts quicker, and if you decide to chew it up, it's tasteless. Another advantage is that it isn't the tell-tale blue pill that you might not want your wife/girlfriend finding (if that's an issue).

For ME, even the 50mg dose gives me a pretty rough headache. I tried 100mg (accidentally, believe it or not) ... yes, I got harder a little faster (not always a good thing), and the headache about killed me. I personally don't recommend it, unless you are so overweight that 50mg is absorbed into your system with no effect.

I wasn't impressed by Levitra. 'Nuff said.

BTW, don't confuse a headache with increased blood pressure ... when I had my killer headache I took my BP out of curiosity ... no change. Elevated BP is the silent killer because it DOESN'T have tell-tale symptoms. In actuality, the danger is in Cialis' ability to LOWER BP when combined with other drugs (NOT JUST POPPERS!!! ALSO ALPHA-BLOCKERS USED FOR CONTROLLING BP AND TREATING PROSTATE CANCER (Cardura, Minipres, Hytrin)!!!)

Too many words, sorry.

I thought you all might want to know that there is generic Cialis. The same is most likely true with Viagra also (Wednesday, 8 November, 2000, 12:38 GMT Pfizer loses Viagra patent, from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1013244.stm:

And the Cialis patent is all but gone too:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...E=Feb+10,+2005

Statement to the Media: Lilly ICOS Pleased with European Patent Office's Decision to Affirm Revocation of Pfizer's Patent on Treatment of Erectile Dysfunction

BOTHELL, Wash. and INDIANAPOLIS, Ind., Feb. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Lilly ICOS LLC (NYSE: LLY and NASDAQ: ICOS), marketer of Cialis(R)
(tadalafil), a PDE5 inhibitor indicated for the treatment of erectile
dysfunction (ED), is pleased with the European Patent Office's (EPO) final
decision to affirm its earlier decision to revoke Pfizer's method-of-use
patent - European Patent EP-B-0702555, containing claims for the use of any
PDE inhibitor for the manufacture of an oral treatment for ED. The ruling was
made following a three-day hearing by a Board of Appeal of the EPO, which
concluded on Thursday, February 3, 2005. Lilly ICOS offered the following
statement regarding the decision:
-- This decision by the Board of Appeal confirmed our view that the patent
was invalid.
-- The decision makes it clear that Pfizer is not entitled to exclusivity
in the area of oral PDE5 inhibitors for erectile dysfunction (ED) in many of
the countries in Europe.
-- The decision affirms the EPO's previous decision to revoke this patent
in 2001, and is consistent with a final UK decision to revoke Pfizer's
corresponding patent in 2002.
-- Cialis is available in Europe to help millions of men who suffer from
ED. Cialis is the only oral ED treatment shown to improve erectile function
up to 36 hours in most men.

So has anyone bought this generic Cialis online and gotten it? If so, where?

Huh?
 

Sorry, but I don't see where Lilly lost the patent on Cialis. I live in Indy and believe me, if they did, it would be major news here as Lilly is one of the biggest employers in Indy. It would be a maojor impact their profits/stock and be in the news.

What I read is that Lilly is happy that Pfizer lost the patent on exlusivly treating ED with Viargra via the PDE5 inhibitor.....and only in the EU. That allows them to market Cialis to treat the same PDE5 inhibitor. Up to this ruling, Pfizer was claiming that their patent allowed only Viagra to treat the PDE5 inhibitor. PFIZER STILL HAS A PATENT ON VIAGRA, just not exclusive use to treat the PDE5 inhibitor. So where does it say a generic Cialis is available?

While this may sound confusing, it is why patent law is so difficult to understand and is a very technical specialty. Patent infringment trials ususally don't involve a jury, because the typical juror couldn't even begin to understand it. And they sometimes take months to conduct. You wouldn't believe the expense involved.....all those lawyers, researchers, and scientist.


I have recently started using Cialis to suppliment my erections and like the result a lot better than Viagra. I got the 20 mg tablet and cut it in half. Haven't had to make a purchase yet, still using the free samples. I'll be curious to find out how much a 'script costs.

hey, its about the same price as viagra

So any generic viagra or Cialis no matter where you buy it is bogus? If so, it looks like the DEA and other law enforcement agencies world wide have a lot of work to do, especially since every other website on teh web offers generic Cialis, etc. I mean these are outfits ripe for busting, since they are telling every law enforcement official in the world--hey, were committing fraud! I wonder why there aren't more busts given the ease of identifying these people? I mean if it's really that easy to make a million dollars in a month selling blue gelatin pills in broad daylight over the internet with merchant accounts and a website, maybe the chance is worth it?

In any event, have any of you found a good online outlet that gives you the script online?

I live in Thailand and the topic of Viagra comes up pretty regularly on the Thailand board.

There are a couple of responses that always irk me a tad.

1)" I have never felt the need to try as mine is always rock hard". I feel like saying is that the first time that night or the second or third and how many days a week? To my mind anyone who has not experimented with this, even if just for recreational uses, lacks adventure and curiosity.

2) "Never take anything but Pfizer Viagra all the rest are fakes". Not true at all. Pfizer work hard in Asia to try and get people to buy their expensive Viagra but everyone I know uses Indian Generics of Sildenafil Citrate which works exactly the same for a fraction of the cost.

I currently buy 12 x 100 mg for about US$26 and that is for Kamagra. A friend in the north goes to Burma/Myanmar occasionally and can get 12 for about US$8.

As I only usually use a quarter at a time it's pretty cheap - I think I spend more on Millenium lube!

When one looks at these prices, who would not agree that Pfizer are making a fortune out of Viagra. It's not that they spent anything serious developing it as it was an accidental side effect of a heart drug being developed in the UK.

The Indian Pharmaceutical Industry is very good. They have patent laws which say you cannot patent a chemical but you can patent a process. This has a certain logic. They sell tons of HIV/Aids drugs to Africa at costs below production and have helped force the Western Pharmaceutical companies reduce their prices to keep people alive.

So my question is still: Where do I get the low price for generic Cialis online, with an online script?

Will the shipment be stopped at customs?

Let me know.

Can't answer your first question. I got my script from my doctor and buy in the US. Maybe I'm paying a premium price, but I know what I get and that I will get it.

As for the second question. No way that customs can examine every package comming into the country. But if they happen to look at yours, yeap it will be confiscated. Maybe India doesn't recognize the patent (I take that info at face value, have no personal knowledge), but the good ol' USA does. Just like a fake Rolex or Gucci purse, customs will take "fake" cialis or viagra.

Yes, but your analogy isn't even close. Generic drugs are not "fake" as they are exactly the same thing as the name brands, wheras "knock off" Gucci and Rolex are far from the same thing. Those are indeed "fake."

Just to let you now also, India has been given US latitude to make AIDS drugs for African nationals who cannot afford the 2-3000 US a year to stay alive. They get it for about 200 a year. But if you live in the US and can't afford it, I guess you just die. You know 'cause in the US were bad ass--"when the going gets rough, the tough get going." And those who can't pay, well, fuck em.

They advertise Cialis for 16 US a pill. That's about right for the real thing in the US. However, under the contact page, tehre is absolutely no phone number of physical address. Have any of you bought from this place?

My analogy is to patents, copywrites, and trademarks......maybe I shouldn't have used the word "fake". THE US DOES NOT ALLOW AN UNAPPROVED GENERIC CIALIS OR VIAGRA TO BE SOLD OR IMPORTED. Don't know how much simpler I can state it. Fake rolexs, Gucci bags and "generic" cialis violate either a US held copywrite, patent, or trademark and therefore, if discovered by Customs, are subject to seizure and destruction.

I am well aware of the HIV drug situation. India said they were going to make them with or without the company's approval (and not all of them are "big, bad" US companies, i.e Gilead) and therefore, the companies caved.......what else could they do? I'm not here to defend them, only to answer your question, "Will the shipment be stopped at customs?"

Indy Guy,

Yes, that explanation is right on the head. The way I understand it, the reason United States companies caved is because they have more to lose by not giving AIDS medication to Africa than they do gain (lose of cheap labor, to mention one). So, they decide to let Indian companies make the drug and sell it. They probably don't think 200 a year is even worth their effort by way of a profit margin.

I actually got a reply back from XLPHARMACY. They said Customs would confiscate the drug, but that only something like less than 1% of Cialis type drugs get intercepted. They stated (I don't believe this, but who knows) that if you do not get your order they will either refund your CC or send you out a replacement package. It really doesn't matter to me I guess, since my credit card company covers any loses incured from using their card.

Kamagra - Sildenafil Citrate 100mg.
 

My Pharmacy in Jomtien are charging 900 baht for 12 = Bt75 each and I take a quarter about Bt20 a shag or two.

However, a friend told me they were really cheap in Burma/Myanmar and I asked a friend to get me some. He paid about US$8 for 4 tablets. which is Bt18.5 per tablet.

One wonders why Pfizer "need" to charge so much for Viagra. After all it was discovered by accident in the UK.

Some light relief
 

n Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name. For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also call Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.

The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails", "highballs" and just a good old-fashioned "stiff drink". Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO.

Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

Generic 'Viagra'
 

Searches on google for generic viagra will point you in the right direction. Several months ago, I ran out of the 10 'rea' viagra that I had purchased online a year or so ago. These were 100 mg and I would split them into 50 or sometimes 25 depending on circumstances. I do not 'have' to have it, but it large groups sometimes it wouldn't be as hard as I liked it. I preferred to use it recreationally as kindof insurance; one less thing to worry about.

I found budgetmedicines.com and ordered there 30 pack of 100's for 109.95. I have used these several times and continue to cut them in half. I get the same results lasting up to 12 hours on this dosage. While not really 'generic' Viagra, since this doesn't 'really' exist, it is Sildenafil Citrate, the active ingredient in Viagra. These do come from some place other than the US but didn't have any problem getting here. Took about 2 weeks.

Anybody else see the Dateline report the other night on counterfiet drugs? These are not the copy drugs made in India, but some backroom in China. Some of them contained boric acid (damages kidneys) and lead based paint (nerve/brain damage). The viagra was good enough to fool the Pfizer guy until he examined it side by side with the real thing. The packaging, imprinting, color, shape.....everything was perfect except the contents (no active ingrediant). So if you want to save a few bucks, go ahead and order from some unknown, fly-by-night operation from another country. But if you value your health, see your own doctor, get a script, and buy from a legitimate pharmacy. I pay about $8.00 a pill, split four ways. $2.00 a dose shouldn't be breaking anybody's budget. I keep reading that gay men have some of the highest disposable income in the country. :D

Yeah, the US government is lying out its ass along with the Corporate US "news" stations puppeting their voice.

Next thign you know they'll be saying that Osama Bin Lauden is making them and anyone taking them is supporting terrorism.

I mean think about it. Lead? They might as well say cianide or something. Their interest is at stake here. They'll say anything.

Too many people have reported using the generic viagra and it working exactly as the name brand stuff. And why would Indian companies not make it, since they already admit they do?

So I ordered 30 Cialis from XL Pharmacy, another online "ripp off" according to our government (You can search and find it). According to our government, XL Pahrmacy has been investigated and blacklisted for fraud. Funny, the day after I ordered, I got a call from a women with a strong Indian accent. She wanted to know if I had made the credit card purchase, and verified it with my information. Then she said if I did not have the order in less than 21 days, to call her back (extension number) and let her know. She would either send it out again free of charge or refund my money.

Now why would a company call it customers back from half way around the world to verify their credit card if they wanted to rip you off?

We shall see if I actually get it.

Also, these tabs do not say Cialis or anything else on them. They're not trying to be a name brand fake. They aren't trying to fool anyone into buying "real" viagra and then stamping teh name on it and sending it out. These are just plain tabs with no mention of a brand. They do the same thing with AIDS drugs in Africa. And check it out. The Indian companies sell it for 2-300 dollars for a year dose. US companies sell it for 3, 000 US a year.

I agreee that if a company develops a drug they shold reap the rewards, say, for 10 years. But the US drug companies just lobbied and got the 10 year patent extended to 20! Fuck, why not just make it forever?

Jeez Specific, did you read my post?

A. I didn't mean to imply that all non US pharmacies were ripoffs and dishonest and I am sorry if it came across that way. But some of them certainly are and how the hell are you going to know which is which. How are you going to know if the "generic" you order is legitimate from India or counterfiet from China?

B. I specifically stated these are NOT the drugs made in India. They are counterfiets, mostly from China.

C. Did you see the Dateline report? It wasn't the US government that raided the backroom lab and found the lead based paint being used to color the pills. It was the Chinese police. Why the hell would tthe Chinese make that up? Dateline traveled to China and met with the rep and video recorded the meeting where she admits to making counterfiet Viagra. She has since been arrested by the Chinese. I guess the Chinese have joined the conspiracy with the US government and the big, bad pharma companies, huh?

I'll repete my last point. 2 bucks (or even $4) a dose is not too much to pay for a recreational drug that I use maybe 4 times a month. I spend more than that on a venti mocha at Starbucks.

True enough Indy. I wasn't saying that what you said is false. But I think what Dateline did was find something that is an exception. I mean thhink about it--why would anyone "paint" pills with lead based paint? Seems far fetched to me. If I ever got pills that seemed even remotely that they were painted, I'd toss them.

I'm not sure that the Indian based XLpahrmacy is selling lead coated gelatin pills from China, but they seem to get a lot of business. But how long would it take for blogs and forums, such as this one, to fill up with "I was sick with lead poinsingin from Viagra purchased from XLpharmacy, etc? I hear nothing about that. I only hear about people bying from them who actually live in that area, and prasing the drugs tehy sell.

I got the 20 mg Cialis for 3.20 US a pill for them. Cut it in half and its 1.60 a dose. However, I'll be using the entire tablet.

OK, specific, I can certainly see where your skepticism comes into play. I'm sorry for not making it clear. They don't actually "paint" the pills, they were mixing lead based paint into the dry ingrediants to color the pills. I hope this makes more sense.

And also to clarify, it wasn't the Viagra, but some other drug they were counterfieting. My point about the Viagra is just that you have no idea what is in the counterfiet stuff making its way from China. But I really do hope you enjoy your Cialis :D

Well I got it today from UPS, in a certified mail container. However, I wasn't home to pick it up. Since it was certified, they would not drop it at my house. I assume XLPharmacy certified it so they would know if it had arrived or not, and then they could make good on their statement that they will refund or send out a new order if you don't get it.

I'll let you know how the Cialis works. I think you can get 100mg Viagra too from them, and if split it, you would pay 1.50 US a dose. So far it sounds like they are on the level going to all that trouble. If the Cialis works, they have my business. I'll be ordering 33 generic Viagra from them also.

Just a note on quality
 

I'm not sure how all the online guys are, I'd bought some Caverta in the past and was happy with it. I just bought some generic viagra from an advertiser here and it is pretty lame. No headache, stuffy nose or rock hard erection. Buyer beware. I also ended up waiting several weeks for delivery. After the real stuff and India stuff, the Mexico stuff left MUCH to be desired.

Well, I went to the post office today picked up the India stuff. Works great. Just like the brand name. Here are two picturews of the package it came in:
http://three.fsphost.com/specific200/

Remeber also that our own government (US) lies to us on behalf of corporations. Rember Finfin, the weight loss drug? After protest from some people on the FDA, the goverment went along with the makers of the drug anyway. One year later, people were dieing from heart lacerations. Our goverment also has XLPharmacy on their list of bogus online pharmacies selling inert Viagra and Cialis, which is in teh case of the generic Cialis I just received false. I'm ordering some generic Viagra from them right now. 100mg at 3.00 US.