Well maybe it is a bullshit story for this thread right now, however I am also aware that there have been many instances over the years of working boys being mistreated / cheated by: foreign customers, Thai customers, bar owners, captains and mamasans, and other barboys.

I've been working in Thailand for over 20 years and visited here very regularly over many years before that as part of a research project based in Singapore. I don't want to make a noise about it, I have felt pain several times for boys who have been cheated and personally assisted them monetarily (and I don't mean loans), and in one instance the Thai editor of a now closed Thai gay magazine (a personal close friend) asked me to see what I could organize for a young man who had been taken for a ride by a farang and into debt for over 200,000 Baht. I approached a long list of farang who I knew personally or as acquaintances and we eventually we got the young man out of the clutches of a nasty loan shark.

So NO I don't have a history of cheating or mistreating, or upsetting Tawan boys, however I will add that the last time I offed a Tawan boy, quite some years ago (he was all sweet and polite on the premises) we went outside the bar and I mentioned that we would walk to the Suriwongsw hotel. He indicated strongly and loudly that he had no intenion of walking anywhere and rudely demanded a taxi (to the Suriwongse). I gave him 100 Baht and walked away.

He possibly went back inside and told the staff / working boys that I was a cheap chalie. If he did, to be honest I'm not very concerned.

Prior to the 'event' mentiond just above there was a long time gap when I didn't take any boys from Tawan because of previous incidents of lots of promises in the discussion but failure to perform in bed, and NO I am not demanding, I'm into pretty much vanilla sex.

On a different angle, some seem to think that the owner is Mr. Nice Guy, well to those with this opinion I suggest you do a little further research.

But back to the post I made a few days ago, I described a situation which happened to the man sitting next to me (who I had never seem before in my life). I was not personally involved.

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Perhaps I was a bit trigger happy with the send button earlier.

Take it that I said: "the other farang probably had a bad misunderstanding with some other boy before."

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How in the world did that Thai get into the hole over 200,000 baht? How did the farang suck him into that? I'm curious to read stories about what farangs have done--please post more--it's fascinating. Maybe that story about the 10,000 baht guy is totally true. I'm continually amazed to see what weird selections gay people make (who they chase after, who they reject, who they stay with, what choices they make).

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Regarding XFUN's remarks about Tawan Bar owner(sorry, no idea how to put quotes in here)

I am not really into the muscle guys but I have known the owner since 1991, when he had a very nice birthday party for me. He is a very nice guy, takes care of his staff - even keeping on full staff and paying them full salaries in spite of the obvious slowdown in customers. Some of his bar staff have been with him as long as I have been going there so he must be doing something right by them.

He is also spending a lot of his money helping build a home for underpriveledged and homeless kids - and before you say it, no - he is not into kids - he has had some very handsome, butch and mature (over 25)relationships that I have seen over the years.

I might suggest you not make disparaging remarks about someone you apparently do not know.

I only go to Tawan when a good friend from the US is in town and have been there three times in the past few weeks. As many have mentioned, a lot of the guys were previously getting out of shape (to put it politely) but recently, they are back in shape, very friendly and a few who have just plain NICE bodies without the excessive exercise appearance.

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the second sentence of your post disqualifies you from being objective on the topic. in any case, who cares about tawan's owner and his humanitarianism?

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-- My elderly & frequently visiting farang friend told me that he visited TAWAN BAR on tuesday, (27th. - start of Bhuddist Lent: hence officially no alcohol allowed for public sales or consumption.),.
-- He guestimated that it was approx. 60%. full - mainly Asains, with maybe 4 or 5 farangs & a few wimmen;
- His drink cost 250.Bh.;
- Some farang, (apparently a frequent visitor & well-known to mngmnt. & to staff.), was having a b'day. pty.: cake with candles, (all of wch. were blown-out with just one breath!), photos. being taken and so on and so forth.
- The perf. was the usual & fairly std. stuff; for the JO. act three boyz achieved what was req'd..
- NO smoking!
- Backgd. music generally remained backgd.!

-- E&OE. as reported speech.

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It would seem that anyone disparaging someone in this forum should be allowed to have his/her supporters. No one asked you to care about his humanitarianism, it was mentioned to defend the kind of person he is known to be after a previous posters remarks.

I could comment on the owners of other bars who are rude to their customers, and have prices that are total rip-off's but I don't think it is proper to do it on this board. AS I understand the rules of this board, there are to be no personal attacks on here.

Altho silly sarcasm and rudeness quite often abounds!

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I was thinking more about this 200,000 baht thing. I don't want to sound mean, and I'm sure I'll get viciously attacked for my comments, but how do you know that this whole thing wasn't just a con job? I don't pick up wounded birds. I MIGHT help if the guy was my bf for a LONG time. 200,000 baht might be 3 years of pay for a Thai. I hear story after story about Thai getting helped out of purportedly desperate situations. It's funny how so many of them need the help. I'll bet that if they were Indians in India, nobody would help. It's the sap farangs in Thailand who get suckered into helping Thai. How do Thai manage to get such special treatment? The loan shark here probably felt VERY rewarded in the end.

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