This is my first post, so if I make some stupid mistake, pls forgive..

I've been going to BKK for 20 yrs and have been reading this message board for years as well.
I can remember having cocktails on the rooftop of old Babylon and going to Tawan bar when it was 1/2 the size it is now. I've had massages all over from Ambassador hotel to Hero to Albury. I've danced my ass off into the wee hours at the Rome Club and feared for my life being trapped in an inferno on the 3rd floor of DJ station. I can even remember the amazement the 1st time I got a 1000 baht note. So I've been around the traps...

When I was younger I used to go to Babylon ,"blow and go", and then catch a show at Tawan, Barbiery or one of the other bars. But now I am getting older and bolder, I have offed a number of guys from Tawan (and other bars).
These is just my thoughts to be put into the mix. For every different customer there is a different way of looking at things:

- Don't sit there looking like a spinster aunt at a funeral with your arms crossed and a sour look on you puss.
Most of the guys have a cheeky sense of humour and if you play on that it is easier to break the ice rather than talking about which hotel you are staying at etc(yawn).

-If possible, off a guy that you have had some connection with. If you catch the eye of your dream guy when he's on stage, and he looks at you with cold fish eyes then looks away...twice, chances are that things might be a bit frosty back in the hotel room. But if you get a smirk, or a raised eyebrow, or a touch on the shoulder as he walks past, then things might go a bit more smoothly.
Times I have offed a guy purely on looks, they have been professional, and it is amazing to have a fantastic body to play with for a few hours, but the service was perfunctory and there was a lot of squirmy awkward silences.
Guys who might not be my 1st choice physically, but I had a good time with in the bar invariably have been great offs and ultimately a great experience.

-Manage your expectation. If you are expecting nipple caressing soft focus lovemaking all night long, or to get to gonzo-porn pound his tight ass, you might be disappointed (but then again you might not...its all a bit of a crap shoot [no pun intended]). But at least you do get to grope, be groped, suck and rub up next to a body for a few hours that if that happened to me in the changing room of a gym, I would be over the moon.

-Finally, treat the guys with respect. Have a clean towel and bottle of water for them in the hotel room. Let them have a shower by themselves when they first arrive. Regardless of how much bravado they might have, it is only human to be a little apprehensive having just entered a stranger's hotel room. If you give them some space and they feel confident you won't try to fist them in the 1st five minutes they will open up and the whole experience will be better for both of you.

-Tipping: This is always a hot button issue here on the forum. I tip B2000 for guys from Tawan ; and it is always about 2 hrs. I have never discussed money before offing a guy, I've handed the money folded over after the deed and , without fail, every guy has said thanks and took the money without checking. (I have assiduously checked to see if they peek, but they don't). For all they know they're getting B1500 but it has never been an issue. I tip B2000 because it feels the right amount.

Good luck, and happy hunting.

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Our new friend speaks the truth...great first post!

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Yeah great first post. I always give them at least B2000 depending what I spend in drinks. I think Respect is the key word. I know they are doing a not easy job. I admire their body, so to break the ice I like speaking about their competition, their work out. I'm amazed by such devotion, such work to build so harmonious bodies.It's a fantasy for me

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Wichai has stopped working - he has a sponsor.

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Lucky and rich sponsor. Wichai is so adorable. I understand his choice, he told me last year that he would like to quit and try to save money to become a taxi driver.

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Firstly I'd like to thank the Academy, my parents, and of course God for the warm reception my first post received.

I thought I’d expand on what I said in my previous post and show how varied the experience can be.

My worst experience didn’t even involve offing a guy it went so badly.
I had been to the bar a few days earlier and had seen the show. One of the guys in the show did this mesmerizing blowjob dance with another guy. After thinking about this for a few days I decided I wanted to off him despite never having seen him before and never having had any contact with him, however brief. I could only tell which one he was by the tattoo on his back.
Anyway, I turn up, get my drink and start chatting to some of the guys I already know.
Coming out of the toilet I see the guy I was planning to off. I nod and smile and he looks at me with the cold ‘fish eyes’ and walks past. I think ‘Hmmm…’.
Just then Mr Pan, one of the managers there I have known for years sees me and asks if I want to take anyone that night. I told him the number of the guy I was thinking off. He says “No worries, He is popular with many customers. I will get him”.
He brings the guy over and introduces us.
Stilted awkward small talk as he stared into the mid distance ensues. I said I was looking for a massage later that night if he was interested. He screwed up his face and said “Err..” and sort of wandered off.
I went back to my table and resumed chatting with the guys I already knew. When I finished my drink I had lost my confidence; I decided to cut my losses and leave empty handed.
Mr Pan met me at the door and asked if I was taking the guy off. I said I didn’t think he was interested but it was ok. Mr Pan said “No! I will make him go with you. Wait!”. I said that was the LAST thing I wanted.
I called it a night and wandered off empty handed and full-balled into the Big Mango.
And that was just a couple months ago...

On the other end of the spectrum…The BEST experience I have had at Tawan started 2 yrs ago and is still going strong.
It started one night when I was sitting by myself.
In front of me were 2 older American guys enjoying a drink. One of the boys I had previously noticed came and sat with them.
I was just ‘people watching’ that night and observing the interaction between one of the American guys and the boy was interesting. The American clearly wanted to off the boy, but was hesitant. Finally, he relented and agreed to off the boy.
As the boy got up to change, from my seat behind I gave him a quiet ‘thumbs up’ indicating “Congrats. You hooked him!”. He smiled and raised an eyebrow as if to say “Yes, it was 50/50 for a while”. That was it. They went off and I enjoyed the show.

A few months later I was back at the bar and the boy walks past and we nod hello. He remembered me and came back and sat with me. We started chatting and joking about ‘closing the deal’ with customers to get them to take them. Anyway, chat chat, we get on really well and one thing leads to another and I’ve paid his off fee and we are off to the hotel. As we were walking out I turned to him and said “My God. You’ve closed the deal on ME!” to which he smiled and nodded and did a thumbs up like the one I had given him when he snagged the American.

I was initially attracted to him because he didn’t have the bravado of some of the other guys. He was not involved in any of the shows (including big dick) and quietly sat in the corner when not on stage. He was not one of the pro bodybuilders but had a good body and a handsome face and just seemed to be a nice person. He also proved to have an understated dry sense of humour, which I liked.

I was staying at the Meridien which has an amazing bathroom and bathtub separated by a sliding door with the rest of the room.
When we got to the room we kept talking and watched a bit of tv. No rush.
Finally Nong says he will take shower, but amazed by size and grandeur of bathtub asked if he could take a bath (by himself was implied). I thought that was a bit unusual…but I thought maybe he doesn’t get a chance to take a bath often? Who am I to judge.

After what seemed ages he emerged and I quickly took a shower.

On the bed with dimmed lights Nong started the typical “Tawan massage” ie pathetic.
I suggested that I massage him instead. I seem to have a knack at doing massage and the Tawan guys go to the gym 5-6 days a week (even the non-competitive ones) so are always receptive to a good massage.
We both enjoyed this and things escalated gradually to a truly memorable encounter. Nong and I were hard as a rock the whole time and we took turns sensually pleasuring each other’s bodies like Lesbians on a first date, culminating in an explosive finish together.

Afterwards we lay there for a while which is rare because usually the boy leaps into the shower before the last drop of cum falls; and the 2 most common phrases uttered by customers of prostitutes after sex is “Get out!” and “Don’t touch the minibar”.

We took a shower together (no bath this time, thank god) and got dressed.

Instead of making him do the 1a.m. prostitute ‘walk of shame’ out the hotel lobby, I went with him. He walked back to the bar to get his bike and I went to a convenience store for supplies.

That was 2 years ago and since then I have offed Nong maybe 8-9 times. Each time we have sex, the repertoire expand a little as we try different things while still respecting each others boundaries.
But more than that, we have become good friends. I meet him sometimes during the day and go bowling at MBK (No tip involved. No ‘off fee’. I just pay for the bowling). We’ve gone to see movies (again no tip) and sometimes I meet him after work at 1 a.m. and we play pool for a while near Patpong.
If I do off him, besides the sex, we might watch tv, or check out his home town on google earth; or download different apps to my iPhone.

I can go to the bar and if I don’t want to off him that night I will tell him. He is cool with that still stays and chats but keeps an eye out for other customers. I either watch show, enjoy a drink, or sometimes disastrously (see above) try and off someone else.

So there you go. There are no hard and fast rules. The posibility is there for a really good or really bad experience. You just have to jump in the pool and give it a try.

Good luck and happy hunting!

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I understand that Wichai has a good heart too. So, he is truly lucky.

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Has anyone recently encounted a boy named "Nathakorn Apsuwan" at Tawan? He competes in Thai bodybuilding competitions. I first encounted him at Future Boys in 2000 and at Tawan on subsequent visits. I have seen photos of him on other web sites and believe he still frequents the Tawan. He is indeed a sight to behold.

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Yes, Tong is there every night and gets offed as often as you would expect. He is #17

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The more I think of the muscle guys in Tawan the more certain I will be spending a few days in Bkk. I work out in a gym also but haven't the dedication that body builders possess. I would like to discuss their training and what drugs they take.
2000 baht for a body builder overnight sounds very reasonable, especially if he's a good top. You never know I might take one to Pats.
Get him to wear speedos on the beach. Hey Im fantasing !.
For Bangkok I think I will make a reservation at Tantarawan on the assumption it's close to Tawan.

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2,000 is for short time, not overnight.

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They can't wait to go off after you have cum (maybe in 30 minutes) , so it is not overnight.

The popular Tawan bodybuilder guys are like 'dead fish' in bed so don't expect much spontaneity from them or you will be very disappointed.

They are good for touching and eye candy only.

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