IrishRedHead
Cruiser posted February 16, 2001 11:36 AM
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"Jake, my good man, your endless liberal polemics are only exceeded by the intellectual dishonesty of your views. I'll make it easy for you to understand."

Sweet of ya', Irish. I'll try hard to follow. Since you and Mamo appear to be the spokespeople for this Sun character and Republicans, it seems that I must defer to you for all the direct responses. Don't know what that's all about. But, go on.

"There is no gay liberation movement today. It died a slow agonizing death because it lacked a consistent and cohesive vision on the basis of ideology. The earlier Civil Rights movements of the 60s and 70s resulted in the achievement of political and economic empowerment for ethnic minorities and women because they shared one ideological vision of liberation. In marked contrast, the gay rights movement has beaten a hasty retreat from its vision of sexual liberation for everyone. Instead, the gay rights movement has embraced integration and assimilation into existing social and political structures which are decidedly heterosupremist and homophobic."

Isn't this what Republicans are promoting? Why blame liberals? Your intelligent point, if there is one, escapes me. Yeah. Things have changed. We now have a Republican president elect. Conservatives are moving in and re-establishing control. Get it?

"Since the 1969 Stonewall Riots, our dream of sexual liberation has been co-opted by tradeoffs and minor adjustments in the economic and political spheres of empowerment. What happened to the sexual empowerment of all people?"

This assertion establishes you as a non-liberal? Republicans are more about "the sexual empowerment of all people" than liberals? If anything, your point confirms how the new trends towards what you identify as "integration" and "assimilation" have taken us in a decidedly regressive direction.

"Liberation and freedom cannot be achieved only in the economic and political arenas. There must be sexual empowerment for everyone as a complementary facet of the same vision and the same dream. To achieve sexual liberation, our vision must be to liberate the repressed sexual potential of eveyone rather than to seek special treatment for a special kind of person who has adopted a 'gay identity' --- Gay People."

Is this a whitewashed attempt at denouncing gays who ask for recognition as people who demand "special rights?" In one statement you imply gays have gotten off track with their vision by encouraging "integration" and "assimilation." Then, you accuse gays who do not do this of seeking "special treatment." Make up your mind, Irish.

"Conjuring up Conservative Gay Republicans as arch-villians and bogeymen does not explain why the Liberal Left has all but disappeared from the gay liberation movement."

Neither do your posts.

"Endless liberal polemics only widen the ideological gulf that currently exists within the Gay Community."

According to you, the ideological gulf is not really the problem. Your post suggets that we have to learn to be more inclusive of everybody without integrating or assimilating or demanding special rights while realizing that we need sexual liberation without making that the issue for gays only even though gays are misguided in making corporate trade-offs with heteros their focus yadda-yadda-yadda-yadda-yadda-yadda.

Here's a tip. The next time that you imply that you have all the answers or are expert on any subject, try clarifying things in a manner that is not wishy-washy or reveals how blatantly you contradict yourself.

You are either a dope beyond compare, or a bona fide looney.