after bkk, i visited Shenzhen, which is a booming border city in China, just next to HK. Been to 3 saunas and what a difference when compared to Bkk!! very few guys are posing. about 95% are there to have fun. connections are extremely easy: guys simply grab each other's dick, no tiring cruising or even a chat. unfortunately, this means that guys u don't like will grab your dick too.
body wise, chinese guys in the sauna range from muscular to slim/skinny. the vast majority in between.

very little (if any) evidence of a sticky-rice phenomenon. guys are genuinely curious about white guys, especially their dicks. if u happen to have a cock larger than usual, i think u'd get lots of attention regardless of your age (although seriously aged guys and those overweight might be ignored by the sauna visitors).

most people, including staff, are extremely friendly, making u feel welcome.

overall, when compared to bkk (a supposed sex capital of asia), shenzhen comes off as a very attractive place for a short visit (there's not much to do beyond a few days).

there's also a hero-like sex massage venue in shenzhen. charges for handjob lower than bkk. fuck is somewhat more expensive.

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-- Khun Gweilo,
- Thanks for yr. encouraging report.
- Possibly you would be kind enough to give yr. gentle readers the names & addresses, (dirn's., too, if dificult to find.), of these three saunas?
- Oh yes: for any Final Favors are Condoms provided or does one provide one's own?
- In general what does the avg. Ch. customer prefer to do:Top, Bottom,smoking/being smoked only etc.?
- Thanks in advance!

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Khun Sxtl
You beat me to the mark.

As this just 'up the road' for me, addresses or web addresses would be great. As a self-appointed connoiseur of BKK steams it would be interesting to compare.

As I have said before in previous posts, the saunas here in HK are throbbin' and pulsin'!! While I am a regular visitor 'over the border' I haven't yet ventured into the Shnzhn steam scene... but forever the adventurer!

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-- Khun TST.,
- Khun Gweilo will give us all his usual & unbiased reports, I'm sure.

-- I know that this is long term planning but I'm thinking of fleeing the Kingdom for next year's Songkran Fest'l. - enough is enough:
- An American acquaintance, who spends most of his time in RI. and speaks the language, has spoken highly of MEDAN, Sumatra, but looking-at reports via search-engine Google I've become a bit dubious about that place. Hence I'm casting my net wider.

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the main sauna is called yang gang, it's located not far from the park called lizhi. exact address found on the net: 2033 Middle Hong Lin Lu 3/F @ Nan Chong Hotel
阳刚桑拿 深圳市福田区 红岭中路2033. the place is extremely busy on weekends and operates 24 hours.

another one is called KK. it's close to kexueguang metro station (exit C; but it's not helpful as the place is hard to find). pix of the sauna, address and the tel number here: KKͬ־ɣÄûáËù >> µç»°£º0755-83651839 it's also 24-hour place

the third one is called XO. address here: http://www.huo888.com/show.asp?nid=213
operates 24 hours

KK and XO attract smaller crowd, but it's easier to connect where guys have lesser choice. facilities are almost identical in all saunas (read: very basic). hygiene level problematic (towels actually stink and look positively grey; so don't smell them). not much to do if u had sex or cannot get it. u could use the pc with the internet (about 2 pcs in each sauna, but always occupied) or watch Chinese tv in a big sleeping room.

very few cubicles for sex (in all venues),but guys don't tend to stay in the rooms for ever (rooms are very basic and rather unwelcoming) so u should have no problems finding a place when the need arises.

condoms provided at the counter. but maybe it's easier to bring your own.

as i said before, chinese guys in shenzhen seem to be largely colour blind when it comes to sex (in fact, all seemed fascinated by my white skin and shaved pubes), but because of it, they are not automatically into any white guys. still, i believe that a big cock could win everyone a few or many fans.

chinese guys seem to be into fucking, rather than just sucking. there are many tops and many bottoms. they are not ashamed of being upfront about their favorite sexual position. simply ask and they will tell u. in most cases, they will ask u.

those speaking english will definitely find u.

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-- Khun Gweilo,
- Many thanks for yr. comprehensive & model reports - greatly appreciated and will make many peoples' efforts at finding these places LESS stressful.

-- As for XO SAUNA. my Google Translator manged it after a couple of attempts; for those lacking that device here are some salient points, (as translated.) -

1.- Address.: East Gate rd., SHENZEN, Orient Hse., 19fl., Green Tree Inn;
2.- Contact.: XOMen's Sauna Club;
3.- Tel........: 0758-222 3393.;
4.- E-mail ...: > 364661900@qq.com <
5.- Facilities: shower, sauna, fitness, recreational chess, Internet as a break!

-- E&OE., corr'ns. requested.

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Chess! Now we're talking!

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A most interesting & welcum development...

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I was in HK this past wkd .. haven't been in almost 8 years and went to the saunas there for the 1st time. Both are in the TST area:

Galaxy: $56 HK ... a not so clean, old sauna with a VERY wide mix of guys .. I paid when I got there which is not the usual practice I guess as the front desk guy (later shift) started screaming at me for not paying when I left.

ABC: $130. Pricey but clean and small place. Less than 10 guys when I came but managed to hook up with 2 cute muscle btms

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-- Further to my a/m. posting: I'm looking-at say *** acc'n. in SHENZHEN on behalf of my Enthusiastic & American Friend & of myself.
- I've availed of Search-engine Google, (entered; SHENZHEN - for gay visitors.), and continued-on for some half-a-dozen pages. Plenty of hotels but few if any worthwhile first hand reports.
- I've looked-at, too,:
> China hotels – Find & book cheap China hotels on China Travel <
> http://www.gayscout.com/queerlife/ <

-- Would any Gentle Reader who has stayed o'night. in any of SHENZHEN's hotels care to give us his own & fist hand rpts. of hotel acc'n. there?
- Thanks in advance.

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I've been to Shenzhen (on business) and the place has almost no redeeming features whatsoever. It is ugly, crowded, polluted, unfriendly, and has zero history or culture.

I can't really see traveling there for a couple dingy saunas and massage parlors...but I may be in the minority!

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Whilst I haven't done the sex venues, I agree with comments re Shenzen city. Hotels would be cheap c/f HK, but language/ communication would be a REAL problem. KL or Singapore are better alternatives to BKK if you need to escape the Songkran mayhem

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I dare say that this is a somewhat outdated view of shenzhen. the city's certainly not ugly if one likes modern cities. it has little history. agree. afterall, it didn't exist 30 years ago! lots of moneyed class people from hk now travel to shenzhen on a regular basis (which they didn't do just a few years back). on my recent trip, my companion spotted a second (or third or whatever) wife of one of hk's very prominent businessman.

it makes no sense to visit shenzhen just to go to saunas. but it's a great place for a day or two. food is good (and priced at the same level as food in bkk). shopping is good too. regular massage is cheaper than in bkk.

people are in general friendly and many really want to practice english.

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I had a lot of fun in Medan on two visits. I stayed at the Danau Toba Hotel which has a beautiful swimming pool "lagoon" that draws Indonesians and is very cruisy. The showers next to the pool were super cruisy and lots of boys with hard dicks. I even had one guy follow me to my room and kind of push his way in. He was really hot, so I didn't put up much of a fight

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I know this is all easily researchable, but I assume you had to get a visa to enter China? Did you have to get photos for that? Did you first fly into Hong Kong? Does one simply take a train from Hong Kong? How did you pick a hotel to stay in? Did you consider taking any guys back to your hotel room for overnight? How is the English-speaking ability there? Do you have a lot of problems communicating? The whole thing sounds fascinating! Maybe the best way to get there from U.S. is to fly to Hong Kong.

You said they love fucking and getting fucked. But that is my observation in Bangkok. The Thai guys almost always want to fuck me--and I let them!

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