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Old 6th August 1999, 12:55 PM
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I've read these posts with consideable interest and I appreciate the sincerity expressed in all the posts. I have a question for all of you, has anyone aware of whether psoriasis is communicable? About 20 years ago I developed an awful rash on the head of my dick. This was when herpes was the STD of fashion and one doctor I went to diagnosed it as such. His medication did nothing and the rash got worse. A skin specialist took one look at it and diagnosed it as psoriasis, prescribed some cortesone and it was gone in 10 days. I sometimes have dry skin patches re-occuring but everything clears up with a little dab of cortesone. My current skin specialist says it's more common than I might think. I sometimes wonder if I contracted it during oral sex and if I might pass it along during oral sex. My doctor says no. Is anyone else familiar with this?
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Old 13th August 1999, 10:04 AM
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Very interesting reading and I must admit I have pre-cum a lot but you guys sure know your stuff.

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Old 5th September 1999, 10:18 PM
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I read all the posts from the last 60 days. For me they show what I guess I knew - oral sex does provide an avenue to HIV. That goes for both sides. Also, I know that in many countries, and more and more in the U.S., HIV and AIDS, not to mention STDs in general, are contracted in heterosexual relationships. It is possible to be lucky or a good friend of God. I am bi, but for 30 years or so, my greatest delight was getting drunk and eating the pussy and fucking every kind of female whore that I could find. In the U.S. they were usually really bad as I did not have the money or connections to pay a lot. In Latin America the girls were beautiful, usually friendly, unrushed, willing to do whatever, and (best of all) inexpensive. In 1978 I quit drinking and fucking whores. That is when all hell broke lose with HIV and other STDs. Luckily for me I never caught anything at all even though I never used a condom. My "protection" was to stick to professionals and preferably older ones. I only returned to the non-monogomous sex world five years ago, but so far only with JO and massage with guys. Concern about HIV/AIDS and other STDs is mostly why. I would like to find condoms good for oral sex, the guy to use them with, and a hardon thanks to Viagra.
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Old 9th September 1999, 06:56 PM
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I've often wondered whether or not swallowing was safe. I've heard so many different opinions even from experts (researchers, etc.) that I honestly don't know what to believe. I do believe that cuts or sores in your mouth are an avenue to infection whether it be from pre-cum or cum. I try to minimize my risk by not flossing or brushing prior to going out (mouthwash or gum can sweeten the breath). I don't always swallow, but have at times. In all honestly I really enjoy the fact that a guy has shot in my mouth. It's a turn on for me. I am totally repulsed by sucking on a condom and when I first came out I asked a guy too and got turned down. It was the last time and I have been out for 11 years now and am HIV negative. Maybe I've been lucky. I don't know.
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Old 11th September 1999, 01:09 PM
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Guys, I don't think you will find a "documented" case of HIV as a result of oral sex. I've worked at a hospital for years and talked to many MD's and they have said the same thing: something in the saliva kills the virus. I'm not saying everyone should go right ahead and swallow, but I certainly don't think the risk even comes close to that encountered in anal sex.
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Old 12th September 1999, 02:09 PM
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You're wrong Jack, DEAD wrong. All you have to do is read through this forum to see there are many cases of guys who got HIV from oral sex. Since I wrote my article, I have received several letters from people who work in STD clinics and say they have seen increasing numbers of HIV infections from oral. As for finding a "documented" case--just what does that mean? How many cases from anal sex have been "documented" and what does that entail? Did a printed receipt pop out of their ass? I used to fool myself with the "documented" rationalization and look where it got me. As for saliva killing HIV, there would have to be a lot of saliva and very little cum present to kill all the virus. A study in the August issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology shows that oral sex is about 10 times less risky than receptive anal sex. But remember, LOW risk does not mean NO risk.

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Old 12th September 1999, 08:03 PM
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Most elementary sources on HIV transmission say that sucking cock is in itself a low risk activity (low meaning low, but non-zero) and that risk can increase when you have cuts or bruises in your mouth, and when you let the guy cum in your mouth or swallow his cum (whether because cum is more infectious than pre-cum or just because there's more of it, I don't know - but the result is just the same).

So, sad as it might be (it could happen to me too) I don't see why the fact that someone got HIV from swallowing cum should be so much of a wonder to anyone. We can discuss whether spitting it out reduces the risk rather than swallowing, or we can talk about why we are willing to take some risk, like some of the previous postings did - even in a hot detailed way. But arguing that sucking cock or swallowing cum are *zero* risk activities is like claiming that aliens exist and want to invade us. I really wonder where you guys got the grounds to prove that. Especially in front of evidence like fjdk's (how's it going for you, by the way?).
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Old 13th September 1999, 07:07 AM
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Thank you for your concern. I'm doing pretty good physically. It appears I don't have a resistant strain and my viral load is undetectable using the standard test (less than 400). I'm going to have an ultra sensitive test, which is accurate down to 50, soon. Mentally, I still have some adjustments to make. Most of the time I'm optimistic but the current drugs aren't a cure--far from it. I worry about the side effects. I'm planning to write an update article in a month or so.
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Old 14th September 1999, 11:28 AM
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man, how great to see this board. most of you seem to be serious and offering good anecdotal and documented advice. swallowing(and sucking) are not safe-they are safer than some other forms. so each of you needs to arm yourself with information to decide if you are going to take the risk. i find the story about the pre-cum infection hard to swallow(!). you haven`t replied to the guy who asked for info on further encounters, since you broke your monog, record. if you story is true you need to let appropriate researchers know so they can pursue this evidence.have you? pre-cum(yes,bighardguy) is not a likely source of seroconversion and that IS because of the quantity. you are wromg. one cell of hiv is not a likely sorce of seroconversion. there are 1,000 of sources of info on hiv on the web. turn your search engines loose and arm yourself with knowledge. from an hiv+ survivor.

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Old 16th September 1999, 01:17 PM
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Yes, I agree with you. The best part of giving good head is to swallow a man's hot load for him. I feel that I worked for it, it is my just dessert (smile).

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Old 20th September 1999, 10:18 AM
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What a great afternoon!!! Spending reading all of these hot and informative posts. I've just got to contribute here!
I'm a 55yo Bimwm and have been sucking cock since I was around 15. Most girls at that time wouldn't do it and there was a strange guy in the area who did. Well I let him suck me, watched him swallow it while he stroked himself. When he saw me watching him and staring at his meat he took my hand and placed it around it. I remember shaking with excitement as I started to stroke it. He saw I was rock hard again and urged me to take it in my mouth. I knelt down and blew another load as soon as I felt the taut skin of his shaft slide across my lips and tongue. He grabbed my hair and fucked my mouth furiously. In seconds he shot streams of cum down my throat and I gulped it all. Since then I've always had to swallow when my partners cum. Its more of a craving then anything else. I've only spit a few times and then it was only because I couldn't swallow it all fast enough and started to gag. I continue to this day but now take more precautions. I don't brush or floss until afterwards. I rinse my mouth and gargle with a hydrogen peroxide solution after each time. I don't swish the cum around like I used to to savor the taste and consistency. Yes!!! I love sucking and swallowing.
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Old 20th September 1999, 10:35 PM
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Well this has really given me something to think about. I am 23 and have been sucking cocks since I was 14. In total I must have sucked close to 500 cocks. Just this past summer when I was in London UK I sucked 94 cocks between May and August (yes I track them in a diary).

I have always been very well versed about STDs. I have had gonorrhea and a form of NSU on a couple of occasions. Scabies and crabs at other times but nothing more serious. Even so, I became a voracious reader of health material and became an "expert" on syphillis, Chlamydia, herpes, genital warts, Hepatitis etc. With HIV too I always thought I knew everything. Now I am beginning to wonder. I was always told that oral sex was *very* low risk and that no one has been recorded as catching HIV solely through fellatio. These posts contradict that. Now I am scared. I went for my screen two days ago and am waiting for my results. However these won't cover my most recent escapades in London, since antibodies take 12 weeks to appear.

I have always disliked swallowing cum and until recently only swallowed maybe 5 guys cum. However, on one night in a London park I sucked 13 cocks and in the heat of the moment swallowed the cum from 4 of them. I had never swallowed a stranger's cum before and was very angry with myself afterwards. Combine this with the crazy fact that I fucked two guys without a condom on two separate occasions (I cannot believe I was so stupid. Again the heat of the moment caused me to lose touch with my brain) and I am scared shitless.

It is an understatement to say that I am wondering if it was worth it. I am at university completing my second degree. I have a promising career in front of me. I am extremely ambitious and have great plans for the future. I love life and the thought of contracting HIV will be the most terrifying thing imaginable for me. Yet at the same time I LOVE sucking cock and have an insatiable appetite for sex. When on holiday I usually suck from 3-20 different cocks a week. During the school year I am in the tearooms, bathouses and parks. There is no way I can give up sucking cock. There is also no way I can get into sucking a cock wrapped in plastic.

My solution? I guess I shall just have to keep it as low risk as possible: 1. Suck youngish cock (awful thing to say I know) since odds are that they have encountered fewer men than an older cock and consequently are less likely to have a disease (not necessarily true I know). 2. Refrain from brushing teeth before hand. 3. Don't deep throat. 4. Don't swallow. Fortunately I much prefer seeing I guy cum than having him cum in me.

All in all I am not a happy camper! Why must the good things in life be bad for you! Sucking cock, eating fatty foods etc. Someone has a cruel sense of humour.
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Old 24th September 1999, 02:40 PM
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If you noticed, I was the third guy to reply to this thread, back on April 27th. I just thought I'd stop in and say "hi".
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Old 25th September 1999, 01:23 PM
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Hi guys! I need your advise. I am a compulsive oral sex addict, I love to suck cocks and can never get enough. I usually don't swallow cum but in a few occassions when my partner is so damned gorgeous, I can't help myself but swallow everydrop of his load. In the last few weeks, I have experienced something totally new to me twice, that is to swallow pee from guys. In both occassions, I was fondling their cocks after they shoot big loads, since I found it extremely sexy that the cocks would remain steel hard after ejaculating, I can' resist to suck some more. Then suddenly I felt warm water starting pouring into my mouth. Both men have down loaded their pee slowly and I have managed to swallow them all, although I have to admit there were a few second I almost wanted to pew. Would I get anything from swallow this? I am not into water sport, but when it comes to big cocks, I would give myself in...
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Old 26th September 1999, 12:00 PM
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I think all of you don't know anything about HIV transmission during oral sex. These are facts. The reason people don't tend to catch HIV from oral sex is because HIV when exposed to the open air dies within a few seconds. Your mouth naturally contains oxygen found in your saliva, the saliva kills the HIV before reaching your soft tissue. When you deep through, there is less saliva there, therfore less oxygen. So it is almost the same as unprtected anal sex. The throat tissue is extremely sensitive and can become irritated providing perfect transmission for the virus. Suck cock opening your mouth every so often, produce lots of saliva and immediately withdraw if the guy is about to cum or if he's spewing lots of pre-cum.
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