Being a gay man and also involved in the AIDS research profession, I find this string to be fascinating. Over time through discussions with colleagues and research results I have come to a few conclusions.

The transmission of HIV is quite possible through any kind of unprotected sex. We never know when we may have some kind of inflammatory process or break in the mucous membranes of the oral cavity. You can make sure you haven't brushed your teeth or flossed before you engage in sucking that gorgeous uncut dick but the truth is that many people have gingivitis even if they seem to have good oral hygeine(if you brush your teeth and don't get them cleaned regularly you probably suffer from gingivitis or some other asymtomatic periodontal affliction). Any kind of inflammatory process ie: gingivitis cold sores(herpes) apthous ulcers or allergies compromises the integrity of your mouth. The fable that you have to have a cut or sore or laceration in your mouth is plain fantasy! Believe me I still do my share of cum swallowing it has proven to be a source of great satisfaction and a big turn-on.

Having unprotected sex of any kind is a calculated risk and ranges from protected sex(Rubber encased dick) to full on Barebacking and the exchange of bodily fluids. I make no judgements about any of this behavior. Being fully informed is something we all should be.

Someone in this string spoke of the viability of deepthroating vs just taking the cum in your mouth. From the current volume of research ( some of which is good and some bad) HIV has been blamed for being the virus behind the disease called aids. Science in some ways mimics religion in that people who are believers become dogmatic and inflexible. Science is like any other discipline in the sense that we have never really arrived and when we begin to think that we have nature tends to bite us on the backside! HIV may not be the sole factor that causes AIDS. Currently many researchers are rethinking the factor of HIV and AIDS. Check out the website http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm

As in anything we need to use our common sense. We do know that HIV can and does get spread through oral sex. Those who swallow need to take that into consideration. Chlamydia and Ghonorrhea are often asymptomatic that means that the person who you are blowing may have either of those diseases in his throat and not have an inkling of it, the incidence of seroconversion doubles when Chlamydia or Ghonorrhea are present! I myself have gotten the old "Non specific Urethritis" from some dicksucker, more than once. We all take calculated risks, be sure that you do stop to calculate them!

I can't believe this fantastic and sexy and informational thread is still alive. I was one of the first contributors and have checked in now and then ever since. I even started a new topic from the viewpoint of the 'cock suckee'.

The information and opinions represented in this thread are a tribute to every single guy who has written here. Thanks. And thanks to CFS. I hope this thread continues for a long time. After all, research is ongoing and out of that research comes new discoveries.

What an informative thread. I need help. I like to suck and be sucked, it just depends on the man and the mood. I thought it was relativly safe. I'm HIV+ so I became more passive (as the sucker) over the years. But I'm told I have a big dick (I see it everyday and yes I'm blessed) and men
don't always use their heads. So when they give me head I try not to cum. Most of the time I don't. Those times that I do cum I pull out. Every blue moon or maybe it's a full moon, I get a nut that wants my nut and he won't let go of "Charlie" and I let him have my load. Information is key. I'm positive, but I'm very healthy otherwise. How risky is taking my load? How can these cock-hungry men not know there is a risk? I dated a HIV- guy that loved to get fucked. I never knew latex love could be so hot. But it was great. Phenomenal!!! But I missed getting head. Is there an option left for me? I love dick. I don't like to swallow myself. I know you don't loose cool points for spittin' it out. 2B Continued.

2 Continue. Is it safe for a HIV+ guy to suck a healthy HIV- guy? I'm a leaker, I'm full of that pre-cum, and I guess I'm asking should I try to change my 15 years of schooling (or was it miseducation?) and try getting head using latex? How much stimulation can that really be? Am I stuck on condoms from now until there's a cure? Am I stuck on stupid and already know the answer? Life involves risk and I'm a long term survivor with this disease and can't wish it on anybody. It's real and is doesn't discriminate. Is it safe for me to swallow or do I become Masturbation King and just Jackme? Thanks for you time. Peace.

JACK ME: I think various answers to your questions are somewhere in this thread. You also might check out the COCK SUCKEE thread. But I too would like to hear some feedback from guys about this issue.

I'm negative and I've been sucked by guys who are positive and I'm still negative but I don't think anything about my experiences or anyone else's are 100% certain.

The experts have danced and continue to dance around the issue of guys who are getting sucked -- sometimes just in the way they use language. I think in the beginning of the epidemic it was done on purpose because they didn't know and I think it's still being done and it pisses me off. There have to be studies where guys have seroconverted or not when the only sex they've ever had is getting their cock sucked by a positive guy. But then again, maybe not. Afterall, how many guys have just received blow jobs from other guys and have never had any other kind of sex with men or women?

This is the reason I started the COCK SUCKEE thread. And last time I read it all the way through, I believe there was one guy on there who said he became positive after receiving a blow job but he never answered my questions about the possibilities of other sexual activities he'd had being responsible for his seroconversion.

Go figure. This is such an important issue. I'm just glad guys are opening up and talking about their experiences. I hope you post further replies when and if you hear some responses to your questions.

HB

[This message has been edited by HB (edited October 09, 1999).]

There has never been a case of someone gettin HIV from being sucked. For more information on this visit: http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/latex.html

It seems to me this string is full of paranoia and misinformation. Sometimes, reading it, I expected to see questions like: What is the mortality risk of taking cum in the mouth once a week compared to that of walking across a freeway once a week? What is the rate of HIV infection among weekly cocksuckers compared to the rate of cancer diagnoses?

The epidemiology of HIV infection tells us that if cocksucking were more than a small risk, the rate of infection would be FAR higher. The risk appears to be so small, in fact, that I wonder, statistically, how it stands up against the deviation you'd have to allow for people's lying, confusion, poor memories, etc., regarding their anal encounters. The vast, huge majority of men reporting infection also report unprotected anal sex. Men who do not have unprotected anal sex report no infections, with the tiny smattering of guys claiming it was raw cocksucking.

One risk factor nobody here has mentioned is the status of the person you are sucking off. In bizarre actuality, the concentration of HIV is so much higher in the newly sero-converted that, statistically, it is actually safer to have unsafe sex with a known positive than with someone whose status you don't know -- meaning someone who is possibly in the process of converting and has the highest levels of HIV possible. Yes, I know that sounds incredible, but it's true and from the CDC, which of course realizes it is too politically sensitive to report broadly. I'm not suggesting anyone have unprotected sex with poz guys. I'm just trying to demonstrate that HIV infection is a lot more complex than most people realize. (And this argues against someone's contention that having sex with the young is safer than with older guys.)

So, it isn't just the tissue that is being exposed but the quantity of HIV present in the sperm that influences risk.

I also know two people who claim they have been infected by oral transmission. Usually, I am quite suspicious of the claim, but even if it is true, it is rare enough to be called an anomaly.

It seems to me this string is full of paranoia and misinformation. Sometimes, reading it, I expected to see questions like: What is the mortality risk of taking cum in the mouth once a week compared to that of walking across a freeway once a week? What is the rate of HIV infection among weekly cocksuckers compared to the rate of cancer diagnoses?

The epidemiology of HIV infection tells us that if cocksucking were more than a small risk, the rate of infection would be FAR higher. The risk appears to be so small, in fact, that I wonder, statistically, how it stands up against the deviation you'd have to allow for people's lying, confusion, poor memories, etc., regarding their anal encounters. The vast, huge majority of men reporting infection also report unprotected anal sex. Men who do not have unprotected anal sex report no infections, with the tiny smattering of guys claiming it was raw cocksucking.

One risk factor nobody here has mentioned is the status of the person you are sucking off. In bizarre actuality, the concentration of HIV is so much higher in the newly sero-converted that, statistically, it is actually safer to have unsafe sex with a known positive than with someone whose status you don't know -- meaning someone who is possibly in the process of converting and has the highest levels of HIV possible. Yes, I know that sounds incredible, but it's true and from the CDC, which of course realizes it is too politically sensitive to report broadly. I'm not suggesting anyone have unprotected sex with poz guys. I'm just trying to demonstrate that HIV infection is a lot more complex than most people realize. (And this argues against someone's contention that having sex with the young is safer than with older guys.)

So, it isn't just the tissue that is being exposed but the quantity of HIV present in the sperm that influences risk.

I also know two people who claim they have been infected by oral transmission. Usually, I am quite suspicious of the claim, but even if it is true, it is rare enough to be called an anomaly.

Finally, I have noticed the tendency of some people who have sero-converted to preach fear and, I daresay, exaggerate their situations for effect.

The discussion on this thread seems to be about HIV risk without mention of other Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs). In any discussion of Oral Sex and the associated risk factors, why does it seem that other STDs receive little or no attention at all? I do believe the CDC has recently noted the decline of HIV infections in our Gay Community but has also noted increases in other STD rates. Does a drop in the HIV infection rate and a corresponding rise in other STD rates suggest something that we are missing altogether?

Like what, STUD BIKER? I'm curious...

There is no more pleasure then swallowing the cum of a man. As far as the safe sex is concerned, if you start sucking without a condom, you still are swallowing precum.

i;ve been reading these posts with considerable interest. I'm curious about the chances of picking up an STD from being sucked. Are there any statistics? What are the risks associated with receiving some amazing head? (I've read the posts about the chances of becoming HIV+. I mean those other bugs out there.)

Just a word of thanks to all those who have given me their dick to adore and suck. Sure, I like getting a good blow job, too, but I don't mind at all if a guy just wants me to go down on him and bring him supreme pleasure. Sucking dick is SOOOOOO wonderful. Don't feel guilty, guys, if you don't reciprocate (although you don't know what you're missing!). As far as safety of giving head is concerned, if I haven't become HIV+ after the hundreds of dicks I have sucked over the years, I don't think it will happen now. Call me an optimist, call me a fool -- all I know is that I'll keep sucking as long as there are dicks pointing their way to my mouth.

I have enjoyed reading the different opinions expressed on this forum. I must admit that I love sucking a nice cock when the opportunity presents itself. Nothing quite like it. Although I usually try to avoid the other guy from cumming inside my mouth oftentimes this is unavoidable. Since the HIV epidemic scare started I have always carried with me a flask of strong vodka as a preventative whenever I have the pleasure of sucking a nice joint. After every cock I have sucked I have always swished my mouth with a one or two mouthfuls of strong rum or vodka (high proof) After this I always swallow it down to make sure my esophagus is totally coated and thus better protected. Of course, needless to say, I abstain if I suspect I have any cuts in my mouth or gums. I believe that this simple but efficient method minimizes greatly my chances of catching anything via oral transmission. I recommend this to all of you guys who enjoy cock sucking as much as I do.

The question of oral transmission depends on a lot of factors. The Math folks have a formula for transmission of HIV that includes an equation with a lot of variables. How much virus is present in the pre-cum; how much in the cum; how much cum hits how much space in the mouth/tonsils/throat; what is the receptivity of the cells in these areas (tonsilar and Langerhans cells) etc.

True, stomach acid destroys HIV. But the highway to the stomach is a long one. The use of Vodka or high proof Bourbon (I love it!) doesn't make a difference. The virus enters the skin cells almost immediately upon contact. Vodka later does nothing.

Sucking cock is great. But there has been NO CDC research on the percent-rate of infection. For health care providers --who get stuck by needles-- the rate of infection is 0.3%. For health care workers who get splashed by blood--in the mouth, nose or eyes, the rate is 0.09%. (Published in the MMWR, July 1998).

But, and this is a big but, when folks are on the triple-drug cocktail, the amount of virus in the blood is reduced ("to non-detectable levels"-- although that is pretty high -- ~450 virus particles per cubic mm of blood) but the amount of HIV in cum and pre-cum is not really affected. It remains high despite the triple-drug cocktail. They suspect that the drugs don't make it into the testicles where the good stuff comes from. So, the risk of encountering and receiving HIV from cum remains at the same level as it would be if the person weren't taking the meds. This is another factor to be considered.

Perhaps it is best to use the condom on the tip of the cock; feel and taste the lower shaft, and then take the condom off, and let the load shoot on the hairy (yes!) chest -- or somewhere else it feels good.

Let's be honest, if gay men can't find ways to get horny and feel good about sex, then humanity is doomed!!!! <g>

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