I thought you all might want to know that there is generic Cialis. The same is most likely true with Viagra also (Wednesday, 8 November, 2000, 12:38 GMT Pfizer loses Viagra patent, from the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1013244.stm:

And the Cialis patent is all but gone too:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/mi...E=Feb+10,+2005

Statement to the Media: Lilly ICOS Pleased with European Patent Office's Decision to Affirm Revocation of Pfizer's Patent on Treatment of Erectile Dysfunction

BOTHELL, Wash. and INDIANAPOLIS, Ind., Feb. 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Lilly ICOS LLC (NYSE: LLY and NASDAQ: ICOS), marketer of Cialis(R)
(tadalafil), a PDE5 inhibitor indicated for the treatment of erectile
dysfunction (ED), is pleased with the European Patent Office's (EPO) final
decision to affirm its earlier decision to revoke Pfizer's method-of-use
patent - European Patent EP-B-0702555, containing claims for the use of any
PDE inhibitor for the manufacture of an oral treatment for ED. The ruling was
made following a three-day hearing by a Board of Appeal of the EPO, which
concluded on Thursday, February 3, 2005. Lilly ICOS offered the following
statement regarding the decision:
-- This decision by the Board of Appeal confirmed our view that the patent
was invalid.
-- The decision makes it clear that Pfizer is not entitled to exclusivity
in the area of oral PDE5 inhibitors for erectile dysfunction (ED) in many of
the countries in Europe.
-- The decision affirms the EPO's previous decision to revoke this patent
in 2001, and is consistent with a final UK decision to revoke Pfizer's
corresponding patent in 2002.
-- Cialis is available in Europe to help millions of men who suffer from
ED. Cialis is the only oral ED treatment shown to improve erectile function
up to 36 hours in most men.

So has anyone bought this generic Cialis online and gotten it? If so, where?

Huh?
 

Sorry, but I don't see where Lilly lost the patent on Cialis. I live in Indy and believe me, if they did, it would be major news here as Lilly is one of the biggest employers in Indy. It would be a maojor impact their profits/stock and be in the news.

What I read is that Lilly is happy that Pfizer lost the patent on exlusivly treating ED with Viargra via the PDE5 inhibitor.....and only in the EU. That allows them to market Cialis to treat the same PDE5 inhibitor. Up to this ruling, Pfizer was claiming that their patent allowed only Viagra to treat the PDE5 inhibitor. PFIZER STILL HAS A PATENT ON VIAGRA, just not exclusive use to treat the PDE5 inhibitor. So where does it say a generic Cialis is available?

While this may sound confusing, it is why patent law is so difficult to understand and is a very technical specialty. Patent infringment trials ususally don't involve a jury, because the typical juror couldn't even begin to understand it. And they sometimes take months to conduct. You wouldn't believe the expense involved.....all those lawyers, researchers, and scientist.


I have recently started using Cialis to suppliment my erections and like the result a lot better than Viagra. I got the 20 mg tablet and cut it in half. Haven't had to make a purchase yet, still using the free samples. I'll be curious to find out how much a 'script costs.

hey, its about the same price as viagra

So any generic viagra or Cialis no matter where you buy it is bogus? If so, it looks like the DEA and other law enforcement agencies world wide have a lot of work to do, especially since every other website on teh web offers generic Cialis, etc. I mean these are outfits ripe for busting, since they are telling every law enforcement official in the world--hey, were committing fraud! I wonder why there aren't more busts given the ease of identifying these people? I mean if it's really that easy to make a million dollars in a month selling blue gelatin pills in broad daylight over the internet with merchant accounts and a website, maybe the chance is worth it?

In any event, have any of you found a good online outlet that gives you the script online?

I live in Thailand and the topic of Viagra comes up pretty regularly on the Thailand board.

There are a couple of responses that always irk me a tad.

1)" I have never felt the need to try as mine is always rock hard". I feel like saying is that the first time that night or the second or third and how many days a week? To my mind anyone who has not experimented with this, even if just for recreational uses, lacks adventure and curiosity.

2) "Never take anything but Pfizer Viagra all the rest are fakes". Not true at all. Pfizer work hard in Asia to try and get people to buy their expensive Viagra but everyone I know uses Indian Generics of Sildenafil Citrate which works exactly the same for a fraction of the cost.

I currently buy 12 x 100 mg for about US$26 and that is for Kamagra. A friend in the north goes to Burma/Myanmar occasionally and can get 12 for about US$8.

As I only usually use a quarter at a time it's pretty cheap - I think I spend more on Millenium lube!

When one looks at these prices, who would not agree that Pfizer are making a fortune out of Viagra. It's not that they spent anything serious developing it as it was an accidental side effect of a heart drug being developed in the UK.

The Indian Pharmaceutical Industry is very good. They have patent laws which say you cannot patent a chemical but you can patent a process. This has a certain logic. They sell tons of HIV/Aids drugs to Africa at costs below production and have helped force the Western Pharmaceutical companies reduce their prices to keep people alive.

So my question is still: Where do I get the low price for generic Cialis online, with an online script?

Will the shipment be stopped at customs?

Let me know.

Can't answer your first question. I got my script from my doctor and buy in the US. Maybe I'm paying a premium price, but I know what I get and that I will get it.

As for the second question. No way that customs can examine every package comming into the country. But if they happen to look at yours, yeap it will be confiscated. Maybe India doesn't recognize the patent (I take that info at face value, have no personal knowledge), but the good ol' USA does. Just like a fake Rolex or Gucci purse, customs will take "fake" cialis or viagra.

Yes, but your analogy isn't even close. Generic drugs are not "fake" as they are exactly the same thing as the name brands, wheras "knock off" Gucci and Rolex are far from the same thing. Those are indeed "fake."

Just to let you now also, India has been given US latitude to make AIDS drugs for African nationals who cannot afford the 2-3000 US a year to stay alive. They get it for about 200 a year. But if you live in the US and can't afford it, I guess you just die. You know 'cause in the US were bad ass--"when the going gets rough, the tough get going." And those who can't pay, well, fuck em.

They advertise Cialis for 16 US a pill. That's about right for the real thing in the US. However, under the contact page, tehre is absolutely no phone number of physical address. Have any of you bought from this place?

My analogy is to patents, copywrites, and trademarks......maybe I shouldn't have used the word "fake". THE US DOES NOT ALLOW AN UNAPPROVED GENERIC CIALIS OR VIAGRA TO BE SOLD OR IMPORTED. Don't know how much simpler I can state it. Fake rolexs, Gucci bags and "generic" cialis violate either a US held copywrite, patent, or trademark and therefore, if discovered by Customs, are subject to seizure and destruction.

I am well aware of the HIV drug situation. India said they were going to make them with or without the company's approval (and not all of them are "big, bad" US companies, i.e Gilead) and therefore, the companies caved.......what else could they do? I'm not here to defend them, only to answer your question, "Will the shipment be stopped at customs?"

Indy Guy,

Yes, that explanation is right on the head. The way I understand it, the reason United States companies caved is because they have more to lose by not giving AIDS medication to Africa than they do gain (lose of cheap labor, to mention one). So, they decide to let Indian companies make the drug and sell it. They probably don't think 200 a year is even worth their effort by way of a profit margin.

I actually got a reply back from XLPHARMACY. They said Customs would confiscate the drug, but that only something like less than 1% of Cialis type drugs get intercepted. They stated (I don't believe this, but who knows) that if you do not get your order they will either refund your CC or send you out a replacement package. It really doesn't matter to me I guess, since my credit card company covers any loses incured from using their card.

Kamagra - Sildenafil Citrate 100mg.
 

My Pharmacy in Jomtien are charging 900 baht for 12 = Bt75 each and I take a quarter about Bt20 a shag or two.

However, a friend told me they were really cheap in Burma/Myanmar and I asked a friend to get me some. He paid about US$8 for 4 tablets. which is Bt18.5 per tablet.

One wonders why Pfizer "need" to charge so much for Viagra. After all it was discovered by accident in the UK.

Some light relief
 

n Pharmacology, all drugs have two names, a trade name and generic name. For example, the trade name of Tylenol also has a generic name of Acetaminophen. Aleve is also called Naproxen. Amoxil is also call Amoxicillin and Advil is also called Ibuprofen.

The FDA has been looking for a generic name for Viagra. After careful consideration by a team of government experts, it recently announced that it has settled on the generic name of Mycoxafloppin. Also considered were Mycoxafailin, Mydixadrupin, Mydixarizin, Dixafix, and of course, Ibepokin.

Pfizer Corp. announced today that Viagra will soon be available in liquid form, and will be marketed by Pepsi Cola as a power beverage suitable for use as a mixer. It will now be possible for a man to literally pour himself a stiff one. Obviously we can no longer call this a soft drink, and it gives new meaning to the names of "cocktails", "highballs" and just a good old-fashioned "stiff drink". Pepsi will market the new concoction by the name of: MOUNT & DO.

Thought for the day: There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer's research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

Generic 'Viagra'
 

Searches on google for generic viagra will point you in the right direction. Several months ago, I ran out of the 10 'rea' viagra that I had purchased online a year or so ago. These were 100 mg and I would split them into 50 or sometimes 25 depending on circumstances. I do not 'have' to have it, but it large groups sometimes it wouldn't be as hard as I liked it. I preferred to use it recreationally as kindof insurance; one less thing to worry about.

I found budgetmedicines.com and ordered there 30 pack of 100's for 109.95. I have used these several times and continue to cut them in half. I get the same results lasting up to 12 hours on this dosage. While not really 'generic' Viagra, since this doesn't 'really' exist, it is Sildenafil Citrate, the active ingredient in Viagra. These do come from some place other than the US but didn't have any problem getting here. Took about 2 weeks.