Keith, As somewhat of a novice to all this stuff, would it be possible to move topics that appear in inappropriate places to a more appropriate location rather than removing them completely? Just a thought that might satisfyboth parties here.

Thank you, Keith, for protecting us from ourselves....fuck you and your site.

Wonder what will happen to your site when the conservatives decide to shut it down?

[This message has been edited by N2MENN (edited January 07, 2001).]

Whoa, people! I think this whole thing got started with a discussion about how boring and uncruisy the Eagle has become. That thread disappeared awhile ago - probably because it degenerated into unsubstantiated accusations of police crackdowns and far too many "Hitler" comparisons. The fault for the Eagle becoming pathetic belongs to the straight owner- John Adams, Jr. - and no one has supplied any evidence or anecdotes that show the police have anything to do with it. I'm afraid I have to agree with Keith here - you shouldn't get on this board and rant and rave and claim we're all going to be herded off into the ovens unless you have some actual proof or experience to share. Relax, Chicken Little - maybe the sky isn't falling!

To any of those who disagree so strongly with this website's policies and decisions--START YOUR OWN WEBSITE.

I asked someone in the police bureau about this new "police presence" at the Eagle, as it's being called. I was told that the bar itself asked the police to do occasional walk throughs. As I've stated on here before, the police do regular walk throughs of the bars on Stark St. This isn't a way of them trying to crack down on gay activity. It's a way of trying to establish a rapport with the community on Stark Street and making a presence felt to try and prevent violence/harrassment against gay people in the area. I think the people who claim it's the new owner who is responsible for the new attitude at the Eagle, are correct. They've added a stage area where they are planning on having strippers and they've taken down the bars upstairs and put in a faux fireplace. This isn't the result of the police doing a walk through of the bar. I was there on Saturday evening, and walked into the restroom. Someone else was in there already and within about 30 seconds the bartender walked over to the door and screamed "I don't have time to babysit you people." This barteneder has seen me in there many times and knows I come in drink a beer or two and leave. I've never given any reason to make him think I'm all the sudden having sex in the bathroom, so obviously they employees have been told to crack down on any potential behavior going on.

There is no new OWNER. A new manager perhaps, but John Jr. still owns it....and he's trying to, basically, get rid of the Eagle.

The n2menn person is way out of line, over the top, and his comments are irrational. You need to chill, big time.

If the posts had stuck to the topic of, there has been stepped up police action at such and such place... I have no problems with that.

The thread referred to went much further than that and was into name calling accusations and the like. That is what will not be tolerated in the forums.

I have said many times before that we are adults and should act accordingly. I have refrained from taking any sides in these debates. All I am doing is enforcing the rules set forth by the owner of this message board.

The hateful and unfounded comments that were being brandished about were out of hand. I did not want to go through the entire thread and weed out the portions that violate the rules of this forum. I also had many complaints from other members of the message board about the particular thread and asked that it be deleted.

I deleted the thread for those reasons. I don't care if you hate the police or anyone else in authority. If you can't play by the rules, then look elsewhere. No matter what you think, everywhere you go, there will be rules to follow.

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Well-spoken COMRAD! Did you by any chance take goose-stepping lessons with Keith?

I don't mind being called irrational or out of line, it happens all the time to people who think outside the box and present ideas foreign to the majority.

My part in those posts was to debate the influence the new chief may have on our community. Yes, it did degenerate at times into political name-calling, but nothing more serious than what occurs on the floor of any legislature.

Uh, yeah.. It IS about sex-- and more importantly it's about where we can FIND sex easily as well as about where we CAN'T find it anymore in places where we've grown rather accustomed to finding it. This is why the original and now deleted topic (to which I never contributed, but-- unlike our cruisemaster Keith-- I DID read) was so relevant. I don't live in Portland, but I visit there often. I consult this board for up-to-date information on where to find what I'm looking for. Now I know not to go expecting action at the Eagle, unless it's a drink of beer that I want.

In my opinion, Keith is only about 50% right, not 100%. Sure, this is site is a private business and its owner does have every right to decide AND to change his mind as to what he wants to allow here. But any business that wants to retain satisfied "customers" will try to live up to its "advertising". So I reviewed the "Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers" in the registration section. Perhaps the messages containing references to Hitler were considered by the moderator to be "defamatory". I would probably agree. Even THIS thread contains some of those as well. So how about just deleting the offending messages rather than the whole topic? (Ok, I see now the moderator's later comment that this course would have been too time-consuming.) I also checked the message board FAQ. Question: "Are there any censor features?" The answer says only that certain WORDS may be replaced by asterisks... (Perhaps "Hitler" should be one of those words.)

AND, if you look at how many replies THIS thread has been generating in such a short period of time, isn't this ample evidence of what WE "the customers" of this business think is relevant to the issue of CRUISING FOR SEX?? Yes, the police as well as the owners and managers of bars DO have some kind of role in this-- like it or not.

I would love to know the last time,if any? I go to alot of "playspaces", and never a problem. Pleeeze understand PDX is very cool.So enjoy!

If you guys like a hot topic, why not go to Vote.com/gay section and lay you arguments.Gets you to win free miles too...

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Don't buy Keith's bullshit, boys.

Go read his vanity page. He's a registered Republican who puts his economic concerns first. At the same time, he boasts that he has been arrested 12 times in non-violent civil-disobedience actions pertinent to AIDS, including protests against unfair DRUG PRICING. In other words he has protested private enterprise's rights to do what it wants (charge what it wants)...while reserving the right to do what he wants here, including manipulating and controlling effective protest.

Perhaps those of you who post "out of forum" could characterize your actions as "civil disobedience" and he would be more charitable. (yeah right) The irony of someone using the privacy clause to argue that he doesn't have to allow discussion of government interference is obvious. Well, "obvioius" is the nicest word I can think of.

Keith really doesn't care about sexual politics except insofar as they inhibit his ability to make a buck. He made a colossal fool of himself at the Sex Panic convention in Southern Calif. a few years ago. In his "association" with Steam Magazine, he never got what Scott was attempting, which was far more than the right to shove your cock through a glory hole or to make money in the sex industry.

There is NO sex, particularly public sex, without political discourse. You don't establish a board for interaction -- like the message board -- and then tell people how they are supposed to treat sex (as stripped of political meaning, for example). The "stall wall" is the place for pure sexual advertisement. Discussions on the message board evolve naturally.

Those of us who have read CFS for a few years are well familiar with the hypocrisy that rules it. I noticed that Keith has taken down his own column. Otherwise, I could point you to his own direct refutations of his own point here.

You're dealing with a businessman, not a serious sex radical. (Oh, and notice who's modifying --er, moderating -- this forum. DUH.)



[This message has been edited by bongo (edited January 13, 2001).]

"These types of reporters are the lowest predator and I hope one day to see them get their due. My only fear is that all of us (including decent journalists) will pay in lose of free speech because of these men and women advancing their careers."

That's a quote from Keith before he went on television -- invading the sacred space of privately held news media -- to advance the cause of public sex. Gosh, Keith, isn't there a time and place for everything! Thanks for advancing the cause of free speech while you deny ours!