There is no way to be 100% certain of your sexual partner's health. And many guys are walking around with HIV and other diseases without even knowing it. It's a fact that it takes 3 months, and up to 6 months, for HIV to even show up in the lab work (just ask your doctor). Therefore, you may saythat you're negative, and even believe that, but in fact, may be positive.
And, many guys DO lie. Sex is as strong a desire as the desire to eat, and many guys will lie to have sex. Why? The stigma that many in our gay community have put on HIV+ guys. Some of the nicest guys I know are HIV+, btw.
In my opinion, it's up to you to keep yourself safe. In 2001 it's foolhardy to play unsafe and say "you must be HIV negative too"...You'd actually trust a stranger with your life?
My doctors says that if you assume everyoneis HIV positive, then you'll practice absolute safe sex.
In my opinion, you assume all risks when not playing safe.

Hello, Sex Wizard...I'm still in your corner on this subject of barebacking with men we can trust! I have decided to STEER CLEAR of any threads where viewpoints such as ours will not face much understanding or support. Too much preaching...don't we have enough of that from the religious right and other less-enlightened forces? I believe that the climate among men like us, just as the climate within mainstream America, has turned far more conservative and less supportive...thanks to the Reagan-Bush era and the increasing intolerance growing in response to the current Bush administration. I no longer wish to defend my viewpoints on this issue because I believe there are many within our communities who truly do not understand what you're saying...they continue to see only the negative/traumatic side of things. Good luck to you and I hope that you will find those men who will make your bareback group a reality.... :cool:

I guess only gay identified men really care what happens to other gay men, while the straight guys come in here with their BS about our community.

If you really want a bareback bottom for your precious cock, there are plenty of self hating gay men who would glady take your precious prick and feel so good about themselves cause they landed some straight trade. Then you can go home and fuck your girlfriend too. Hope she is on the pill, lol.

As far as it feeling better, you are all really just full of shit.

I will whip out my porn sized dick against any of you anytime. Condoms have always been too tight for me and have hampered my erections, but the one thing I have found is that if I am really turned on and into the guy I am with, I can stay hard and fuck him till I cum, all while wearing that condom.
(by the way Magnum just came out with XL size)

Sex is the the brain, and you idiots keep making these arguments with your dicks.

You dont like my attitude, fine. I am a gay man simply looking to have safe fun with other like minded men.

And I seriously doubt that any of you "straight" guys for one minute would defend a gay men being beat up on the street, even if it was the same idiot who let you fuck him raw. You only see us gay men as a place to dump your load and serve your needs.

typical straight men. could care less about anyone else. only themselves.

And none of you ever answer the question:

Of course it feels different, DUH!

But why the fuck is it SOOOO important to you? Does is serve some psychological need?

And dont give me that fluid exchange is meaningful crap. Cause I have met plenty of bareback boys that "aren't into kissing."
I'm sorry but swapping spit face to face, and deep hard kissing with a man is much more of a connection than a load up someone's ass.

Of course, this discussion was more about barebacking in a safe group environment...not really about how "straights" feel about us cocksuckers after we get beaten up or some other related events! But the way in which heterosexuals treat each other concerning barebacking is indeed much different from how gay/bisexual men go about such issues. The mainstream "heterosexual community" in the U.S. does NOT preach and condemn barebacking among men and women because they still associate HIV with gays, drug abusers and transfusion patients. And straight men continue to have lots of raw sex with women because they still look at HIV as a "gay problem." We as men seeking men should take the time to find out why safe-sex prevention is not succeeding and allow a variety of choices in addition to condoms and abstinence. Men will be men...and we must treat them as intelligent creatures who can make their own choices, given the information presented to them....

blackguy469 wrote:

The main problem I see is that these people are a bit "thick" and refuse to understand my proposal. Although the subject heading mentions "barebacking" (catchy title!), its objective goes beyond that purpose. I repeat, for the third time? This system would replace the paper certificate by an online/telephone inquiry system. Therefore, it can have a wide range of clientele.

It could be a woman who has met a man but she is afraid of AIDS; at the clinic she learns that there are more diseases to be worried about. Both register in the program, they do a 6-month waiting period. During this time both are interviewed separately and take a battery of tests, from medical examination to HIV.

Another client could also be a married man who wants to find one or more men in his situation to "play" with. But who is petrified of even "crabs" because of his wife. The problem with these men is that they either try to suppress their feelings for other men's bodies, or one night drunk he stops at a cruising spot and gets sucked off or fucked with no protection at all. A no win situation for these men.

Last but not least, men who need to satisfy fetishes that require unsafe sexual practices. These include barebacking, swallowing cum, fist-fucking to name a few. Men would register individually and go through the 6-months period. As all other members of this system, during this time they would be interviewed and tests conducted. Potentially, several members can get together an participate in group sex and whatever activity they may want.

Pornsizedguy wrote:

The problem, pornsizedguy, is that you may one day change and feel the need for raw sex. Sexual scripts are known to change. One day you may find joining this program (-:

I wonder why self-victimization scripts are so popular with gay men? Why don't we look at this issue as "men will be men?" Forget about the gay part. If women went out at night to public parks looking for sex, "straight" men would love it. Men are men, but in an all-male environment men go wild (wars, hazing, and of course sex)

Sorry, but I think that's your fantasy.

Then blackguy469 writes:

Maybe in the future, once men are allowed to freely enjoy their bodies, including the cock, men won't need impersonal sex to the same extent men need it now.

There are two aspects to this issue, the issue of male-shame. Because of shame, males perceive a distorted view of what erotic arousal and sex are. It becomes easily associated with sin (i.e. the Original Sin). Therefore, one issue is to deal with the men at the present time and who received little support during adolescence, while at the same time, work to change the way we bring up boys.

My proposal deals only with trying to patch things up for those men who want to do something about their unmet needs about the male body.

TheSexWizard

Bongo wrote, in another thread:

You may be right that men who decide to bareback may, at some level, come to terms with death. But I doubt this is universal. This train of thought, about death, is a very male theme.

I tend to believe that most men who choose to bareback do so because it feels better and because the thought of skin-to-skin arouses them very strongly.

TheSexWizard

I thought i would bring this up to the top. Hope this helps you pornsizeguy.

why thank you horndogg....

but i dont need any 'help' LOL.

I put these posts up here because I really am just concerned about what is going on in our 'community'

If these posts help ONE person to stop and think before they have unprotected sex with someone they dont really know...and then decided to use a condom they have served their purpose.

I am personally just frustrated by the level of ambivalence a lot men seem to have about protecting themselves and their partners from HIV and other STD's

So much discussion makes me dizzy.I take cocks up my ass because it makes me hot and I shoot hot loads.Also enjoy providing guys with a great tight fuck.Used to bare back and now safe sex only.I love it when a guy tenses up and comes.I never gave any thought to cum up my ass as motivation.

Well a recent LA Times article said that now that the Muti-Million Dollar Awards against Tobacco companies is waning, that those veteran lawyers are looking at other "lucrative targets" such as Pharmaceutical Companies etc.

People chose to continue smoking even after being "educated" to the risks and dangers and still recieved monumental awards.

Hmm I wonder how long before similar styled lawsuits begin against those who promote, profit from and provide facilities and/or other mediums for connecting and hooking up for unsafe sex practices?

The smokers knew the risks and dangers and continued in their risky "addictive" behavior and still the demon tobacco companies had to pay up big time.

The same case can be made for those who will claim they are now "sexually addicted to barebacking" because of readily available hook up connection mediums and facilities and yes, even promoted by tobacco-style advertising etc, which resulted in their aquiring their own "cancer" or other related disease, etc.

Oh well, if such promoters can afford expensive and extensive road trips at home and abroad and other luxuries, I guess they can afford those lil ole law suits too. After all, Cigarettes are still on $ale and readily available everywhere...so is un$afe $ex!!!

pornsizedguy wrote:

Why do you worry about other men? If you are concerned about HIV and other STDs, simply protect yourself. No need to preach.

I was at the STD clinic yesterday afternoon. The nurse told me about the noticeable decline in the use of condoms for anal sex. I did talk to her about my idea to help men be able to engage in sex with other men in a safer way. It is clear by now that one-partner and always-condoms doesn't work.

I suggested to her that it's better to go with the "current" and not against it; men like the feel of raw cock and cum. We need to create a prevention program that takes into consideration these needs that men have, instead of pretending these needs don't exist. The typical messages "Try to have one partner" or "Wear condoms all the time" is not working and will never work. It worked at the beginning of the AIDS epidemic because now new and innovative prevention programs are needed.

TheSexWizard
Manager of MSN Community "About Men and their Dicks: Am I gay?"

We need to stop seeing AIDS as anybody else' problem. The sad and tragic fact is that every gay man who got AIDS by sex got it from another gay man, and by doing something he chose to do.

People with AIDS certainly deserve our sympathy, but it is the sympathy one extends to a chain smoker who comes down with lung cancer. It is not the same sympathy one feels for someone struck with lightning or run down by a drunk driver.

We know some gay men are going to have unprotected sex with as many sexual partners as they see fit. It appears today's generation of young males in the 23 to 29 year old age group are particularly succeptible to contracting the HIV and AIDS despite knowing the risks and knowing how not to contract the HIV. So, why does it bother some people that gay males still continue to ignore the risks and continue to contract the HIV and AIDS?

The underlying psychology is instant gratification. Gay men are making impulsive choices in the full knowledge of the risks and consequences of what they are getting into. It is not because they lack the proper insight into the consequences of their impulsive choices. It is for this reason why we should stop seeing AIDS as anybody else's problem.