"Has ever heard of or acquires this Apcalis or something sold as just Tadalafil in BKK or anywhere else?"

if you mean, is it available in Bangkok, then yes it is:
Eastern Pharmacy on Sukumvit between soi 15 and soi 17. It costs Bht400 for 4 tablets and works well according to my friends. They bought another generic Cialis in Pattaya once and it didn't seem to work at all.

I get kamagra from B U Pharmacy about 100 yards along Silom Rd facing up it. The sign is quite clear white with large green lettering. You can see the sign also from the elevated walkway between Silom Underground and BTS Sala Daeng. There is an OC (old guy) behind the counter EVERY night with the wife somewhere. 6 months ago I was paying 400b for 4 100mg and I would buy 5 packs. In December as I was caught up by those nice yellow shirt thugs kindly blocking the airport I bought 5 packs at 500b each.

The OC is getting greedy. So I asked for discount and was given a sachet of gel which I must remember to use at the right end (LOL).

For what its worth I use a half or quarterish and lick up the crumbs!!

One problem with cutting them and leaving them open for sometime is that they will absorb moisture given that LOS is so moist... That is why pills are vacuum packed in the first place but I suppose if you keep them in a tightly sealed jar with a small absorbent pack or something they'd by AOK. The other thing is just wrap the 'bit' in some tissue and throw the whole lot including tissue down your screech at the appropriate and apposite time!
bye

I stopped using Viagra after I found it caused tunnel vision and "zig zaging" in my periferal vision. (Not good if you are at the sharp end of an aircraft !) Cialis works really well for me, no hot flushes or tunnel vision and very dependable results! The copy Cialis they sell in Pattaya (pack has no hologram) is pretty useless. I tried 2 nights running then returned and got a full refund (Pharmacy in Soi Yensabai) - as he had sold it me as "genuine" which it clealry wasn't.

Last week at a function in a 5 star BKK hotel I met a senior exec from Pfizzer (maker of Viagra). Chatting about the issue of counterfeit he told me "In Thailand Viagra is only available via hospitals on prescription. We do not sell to pharmacy outlets." He added that any Viagra (and he believes Cialis) sold in pharmacy is FAKE !

-- What that Exec. said may well be true as far as his company's sales are concerned.
- But I wonder just how much manages to find its way from the hospitals' shelves to other outlets? After all - I doubt if its checked in the same way that 'Controlled drugs.' are supposed to be checked in hospitals.
-- Bibi. --

Sextile is right...much of the Viagra on the shelves of pharmacies has been diverted from hospitals and clinics, where the doctors write bogus prescriptions and sell the product on.

-- On this day, (27th.), in 1998. the FDA. approved Viagra.
-- Bibi. --

Hard to forget and now hardly ever been this hard
Thank You Madame V.

Doubts about Apcalis
 

I've had doubts about Apcalis too. Let me share my thoughts.

However, I should preface: I'm not a regular user of either Apcalis or Kamagra. I tend to use it only when I feel like being top for the night, which is less than once a month, could be once a in few months.

I have bought Kamagra at various places in Bangkok and Pattaya, but as far as I can recall, I have bought Apcalis only from a pharmacy near Sukhumvit Soi 11.

I have also used Viagra in the past, but never Cialis. This mean that I can compare Kamagra with Viagra, but I'm in no position to compare Apcalis with Cialis.

Both Kamagra and Viagra work wonderfully for me. I've learnt never to take a full 100mg dose (I suffered), but to cut the tablet into three. yes, three!

On a near-empty stomach, I get a very slight headache in 30 minutes, indicating that it has begun to work on my vascular system.

On a full stomach, it may be 60 - 120 minutes before it takes effect - and then relatively weakly.

The reliability of Kamagra is such that even with occasional use, I have been able to draw these conclusions, so consistent has been its effect.

There was once when I wondered if the exposed portions of a Kamagra tablet would lose its effectiveness (through oxidation, perhaps) if I kept it a month or two or three to the next use - but I needn't have worried. It seems to keep well even without its blue-green coating.

With Apcalis, I have yet to draw any conclusions, because it's so inconsistent.

With memory of suffering from a full tablet of Kamagra forever seared into my mind, I have never taken a full tablet of Apcalis. Instead I cut it into half.

What observations I have made is that half-Apcalis never works within 30 minutes like Kamagra. It takes much longer, if at all. Occasionally, I notice that it has some effect (not great - or was it only my imagination?) after 2 - 3 hours. Other times, I can't tell if it has had effect at all, because by then, I've already finished with the sex and gone to bed.

I've been telling myself that one of these days, I am going to do this: dose myself with half-Apcalis 12 hours apart, and see what happens. The theory being that Tadalafil should have an effect-life of 24 - 36 hours as stated, so with the second dose at the 12-hour point, I should be roaring by around 15th - 18th hour? However, hearing about your splitting headache rather discourages me from experimenting this way.

Of course, it is possible that the Apcalis I bought could be fake. Yet, I find it hard to believe that a pharmacy that sells me genuine Kamagra also sells fake Apcalis.

I too would appreciate hearing of others' experience.

Thanks for your feedback on the above Sloot. I have been using Kamagra and as you do I split a tab in half, sometimes thirds. I find that it starts to work in about 1/2 hour. How good it is depends on other factors like how fit I am, how much plonk I have drunk, and of course how 'exciting' the prospect is. I have also noticed that even if the tab has been split for weeks it does not seem to reduce effectiveness.

I have been buying kamagra from the pharmacy in Silom 'B U Drug' on the left side of Tn Silom walking away from Rama 4. You can see the shop from the walkway. Last time I paid 500 per pack for about 4 packs I think so the old guy in there has got greedy. Nevermind. Haven;t used Viagra for a long time altho have a pack. I used to split this in 4 because I think it is stronger.

A note on Kamagra. If several tabs are used in succeeding days it may cause dizziness. No not the queeny type which is always with me but giddiness. This is probably impending stroke or some such (LOL) so taken AMOR. Not intending to live forever anyway!

There was a somewhat cryptic post on another farang forum. Here it is:

"Libido Enhancer For Men, herbal tonic really worked!
maybe its just me but i think this stuff actually works
went to chai nat on a whim
stepped into one of the loveliest pharmacies / everything shops i have ever seen and smelled
i asked on another whim if there was any natural herbs for virility for men
at first the lady said no, but soon showed me 4 or 5 items
(so funny and odd how quickly a no turns to yes or vice versa in Thailand)
so i tried a small pack of three bottles of something made by siribuncha
i did notice a higher libido level when i used it
so for what its worth
at 39 baht give it a try
its mostly all in Thai
and i tried the website
but the English doesn't work
i suspect there are a zillion cheap useful herbal remedies for everything
hoping there is nothing harmful in it too"

What is this guy taking? Are there any thai or chinese herbal alternatives to viagra?

There are numerous Chinese herbal alternatives. No doubt some have a few of the ingredients cunningly crafted by western science into a little blue pill (LBP). BUT give me the LBP any day. If these 'work' and I am not saying they don't then well and good. There may be another factor operating here called the 'placebo effect'. In short this a psychological thing. You get a hard on simply because you expect it even thought the pill is phoney... But u have got to belieeeeve! Pretty useful as a lot of causes for floppy dick are in your big head!!

Of course for most of us over a certain age there are all those long term aging thingies catching up. So its the LBP for me for the time being.:D

- Isn't there a thread entitled: 'AN HERBAL VIAGRA.', or words to that effect?
-- Bibi. --

No luck in BKK
 

Just an update in this thread:

I have been trying phamacies in the "greater silom" area and have been told either i need a prescription or need to go to a hospital. Has there been a change in the laws that has forced pharmacists to be more fussy? Or am I just going to the wrong places?

Any recommendations of a place to try?

Huge thanks, guys.... The Thais enjoy my significant endowment and I SURE do not want to disappont, hehe

It seems like my source was accurate. .... and anything you can buy is likely to be fake.

One can buy Kamagra Gel per box of 50 at several pharmacies. Not from the B.U. guy. Cost is about 3000 Baht per box. We share with friends and then it comes to about 60 Baht per dose. The gels always work, and much faster than any pill.

Any pills are probably fake or have lower than advertised dosage. They have proven consistently unreliable.

-- Today, (30th.), afternoon I droped-in to PHAT PONG PHARMA. - Tnn. Phat Pong 2. - and was told -

1.1.- CIALIS - box of 4 tablets - 2,300.Bh.;
1.2.- KAMAGRA - Not in stock;
1.3.- VIAGRA - box of 4 - 2,000.Bh..

-- As a comparison here are some prices from PY. PHARMACY in PATTAYA - for address etc. see 'HORNY GOAT WEED THREAD.' -

2.1.1.- CIALIS - qty.4. - 1,400.Bh.,
2.1.2.- Generic - qty. 4. - 400.Bh.;
2.2.1.- VIAGRA - qty.4. - 1,400.Bh.;
2.2.2. - Generic, Made in India - qty.4. - 400.Bh.;
2.3.- G7. - qty.4. - 1,000./800.*Bh. ;
2.4.- Horny Goat-weed - qty.4. - 1,500./1,200.*Bh..
2.5.- Russian herbal tablets - qty.4. - 400.Bh..

--* LOWER price is possibly for bulk purchase?

-- All info. believed to be correct at time of writing; 'Caveat emptor.'.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

Lower price is probably due to being FAKE.

-- Could be, I wouldn't know.
- Perhaps anyone of our residents in PATTAYA, or regular visitors there, would be prepared to offer their views?
-- Bibi. --

I commented on a relatively new pharmacy on South Pattaya Rd across from Wat Chai (and I believe they have an older branch on North Pattaya Rd) that offers prescription drugs at a discount to places like Boots or Watsons or the numerous small pharmacies in Pattaya. I opened a new thread to make the comment and it was deleted because I guess it sounded like an ad for the place.

Despite a general disintegration & the usual collapse associated with the passage of years, I do not yet require Viagra or similar drugs, but the meds I purchase regularly for blood pressure & cholesterol were 8% to 15% cheaper than anywhere else in Pattaya.

The only reason I mentioned it is because if you reside in Pattaya and if you regularly purchase prescription drugs they do seem to be genuinely cheaper. No idea how they compare for things like Viagra and if you're just passing though Pattaya, the savings probably wouldn't be worth the bother ...

It's called Fascino ... they may even have branches outside of Pattaya ... I have no idea.

Fascino has many branches in Bangkok. You can sign up for a membership card that gets you 5% off. I think it costs 100 baht or something minor.

I did get a membership card from their new branch for free as well as some other card where you collect stickers towards something for free. My first visit I spent about B4000 and they had only been open a week or so maybe I escaped the B100 charge.

They did say I would get a 5% discount with the card, but the prices on the two main prescription drugs I take daily were 8% and 15% below the lowest prices I've ever found in Pattaya and some other stuff I've bought was certainly cheaper than elsewhere.

I also like that they generate a proper itemized receipt in English since I've got US based coverage for 80% of prescription costs from my former employer.

-- While we were in PATTAYA recently my farang friend & I went to PY. PHARMACY to collect & to pay for the goodies that he had ordered some days earlier.
- We looked-at the packaging for Viagra, noted the lack of any holograms and concluded that the tablets were not the real McCoy.

-- Before going-out that afternoon to some masage parlor or other my friend took just 1 tablet of what the pharmacist called: 'Russian Herbal.'.
- The following forenoon he remarked that that one tablet was so potent that that morning he had woken-up with his li'l. bro. at attention and all ready for some MORE action - something that hadn't happened to him for quite some time.
- Looking-at the Russian Herbal's box most of the writing is in Japanse; across the other end's flap are the JP., GB., USA., Aus.,Cnd., RSA.,ROK. & DK. flags - an interesting choice of countries.
- From the accompanying leaflet this product is called: 'Stree Overlord.'* and is manufactured in JP.. Further info. is written in Japanese, Mandarin, English & Arabic. Apart from stating that it contains '12 net natural plants' there is no other formulary info..

--* Availing of search-engine Google I entered: 'Stree Overlord.' and was rewarded by some 4,960,000 results!
- Happy reading!

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

Thanks everyone for all the good information here... I tried a few places in Bangkok -- the mainstream chains (Boots, and such): they all told me I needed a note from a Doctor for Viagra which needed to be filled at a hospital pharmacy, and then the B.U. place at the steps of the Sala Daeng BTS station. There, the extremely gracious older gentleman was happy to take my request. The product was excellent. I would recommend him to all readers.