Well I ended up staying at Dusit D2 Baraquda and I was not disappointed. Great 5 star hotel at special 3200 baht per night deal, and very gay friendly. Located diagonally across from Marriott and therefore only 3 short blocks to Boyztown. Also checked out Rabbit at Dongtan beach and while resort looks nice (and quiet) the beach was completely covered by umbrellas over deckchairs for hire. Not an inch of spare sand. Ugh - how ugly. I think Pattaya is a better location. The beaches in both locations are not inviting, so don't go there for a beach holiday! Also enjoyed the bars, especially Funny Boys where I offed a fabulous model (#3?) who has a tatoo of a bird on his right shoulder. But, despite the mamasan's assurance, the guy was not a willing bottom. Anyway, he spent the night with me and my boyfriend and we had a great time. I have fond memories of a sandwich configuration....

I think the bar with the best show is Copa's with an underwater show (similar to Classic Boys in BKK), lots of singing and good dancers, very funny ladyboys, etc. Only 10 models though which must be the least of any Pattaya bar. Did not see any sex shows at any of the bars and the models tend to stay frozen on stage far too long. They need to rotate or do something. However, I must say that all the bars are run better than those in Bangkok. The Pattaya bars are cleaner, have comfortable seating (often sofas), the sound is not ear splitting, the service is more professional, the drinks cheaper (average 150 baht versus 250 baht), and the touts not as aggressive.

An interesting bar, not in Boyztown, is Carters (or Cartiers?). Very macho, but quite deserted probably because of its location. Offed a well endowed guy there (the one that does the shower show) - he said he was not gay and then proceeded to engage like a trouper. I think he misunderstood, equating "gay" with effeminate which clearly he was not.

Also tried a massage at the Ambience hotel (actually, the "shop" was next to the hotel which they use for delivering the services. Nice little hotel I think. Very clean and newish looking inside. Massage was 7/10 and afters completely tame and expensive (1300 baht tip quoted for what turned out to be poorly administered oral).

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-- I was in PATTAYA from 19th. to 24th. incl. and stayed-in the flg. hotel -

NEW PARADISE INN.,
- addr.: moo 12.,
Tnn. Pratumnak, soi 17.,
S. PATTAYA, Chon buri.
- loc'n.: on sub-soi joining sois 17 & VC., (thus convenient for both BOYZTOWN and for SUNNEE PLAZA!),;
- Google Earth co-ords.: roughly 100-52-29.E.X12-55-27.N..
- tel.: (038)-426 410-11..
- pub'd. rooms' rates at Recept'n. for 01 may - 31 oct., (incl. VAT., taxes. etc.),:
1.- 1-4fl./5fl......: Sngl.+ABF.......: 680./780.Bh.;
2.- 1-4./5.........: Twin+ABF........: 750./850.Bh.;
3.- 1-4./5.........: Sngl. w/o. ABF.: 590./690.Bh..

-- My room on 4fl., (sngl.w/o. ABF.): roughly 12'x16': lge. bed., (mattress hard.), air-cond., multi-chnl. TV., 'fridge. with usual drinks; bathroom with usual contents etc. etc..

-- Free safe boxes at Recept'n..
- Small swimming pool.
- No problems with o'night. companions, who leave their IDs. with Sec. Gd..
- Decor. is olde fashioned Thai: thus dark, solid & heavy.
- Elevator to UPPER floors.

-- When I checked-OUT at around 07.30.hrs. Recept'n. had but one 100.Bh. note otherwise all 20.Bh. notes - possibly advisable to info. Recept'n. the evening before if wanting to make an early check-OUT?
-- Not luxury, but adequate, thanks to loc'n. and if seeking a convenient place for the night.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. --

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Hi Sexy Tile...and what did you do in the hotel...just read books and watch TV? Sunee is certainly refreshing. The boys are quite fres. One thing I have noticed on Gay Romeo a lot recently is that very few of the oodles of boys that post from the Pattaya/Chonburi region, claim to be working in bars or other sexy outlets. Can they make a living from Gay Romeo only as they claim to have no other type of job...I guess it depends what they look like of course.

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-- The hotel was for sleeping; one evening I did 'Off.' a boi - Khun Pong, 22YO., from I-San - from CAT'S PLACE, a pleasant enough youth, even if a little passive in bed.
- But I daresay that I'll write a little MORE about CAT'S PLACE in due course.
- Yes - SUNEE PLAZA is indeed refreshing; I find it much MORE preferable to the BKK. scene; but maybe it's a case of too much familiarity breeds ... ?

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-- VILLA ROUGE, in SUNEE PLAZA, is CLOSED and is for sale!
- The latest rumor - as at 26th. forenoon - is that it should RE-OPEN, possibly this week; although whether under new or the olde mngmnt. was not known to my informant - a Pattaya resident of long standing.

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-- During the evening of 21 oct. I visited A-BOMB., wch. is on the corner of 2nd rd. & of P'land. soi 2.;
- tel.: (038)-429 043.;
- drinks: 130/140.Bh., (non-alc./alc.),;
- Well, possibly it's a matter of beauty being in the eye of the beholder, so one man's 'Tuk-tuk driver.' might become another man's 'Desireable.'? But to these tired & olde eyes, while they did look to be past their sell-by dates, they weren't too bad looking, really - I've seen worse on the stage.
- #81. looked to the the best, followed by #16.; #33. tried his best to attract my att'n. by jutting fwd. his pte. parts.
- Music not too loud; I saw no other visitors or staff smoking ciggies..

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-- Back-tracking one evening on 20th. I visited the flg. two a go-go bars -

1.- CAT'S PLACE,
- addr.: sub-soi OFF Soi DayNight;
- Nicky's Gay Pattaya - Bars, Gogo, Saunas, Massage, Restaurants > Soi DayNight has map;
- If walking along 2nd. rd. turn-off & along Soi 17.; quite some distance along look for illuminated sign: 'OFFICE BOYS.' to your LEFT; turn LEFT and immediately past OFFICE BOYS turn RIGHT; CAT's PLACE is a few yds. to yr. RIGHT; there s an illuminated sign outside.
- Google Earth co-ords.: roughly 100-52-40.E.x12-55-22.N.;
- Drinks at usual 130/140.Bh.;
- Air-cond OUT of action, so reliance upon fans;
- Although there's a not too obvious NO SMOKING sign, that didn't prevent some other farangs from lighting-up;
- Music not too loud;
- Possibly ten or so boyz on parade, apart from one chubby boi rest pretty much the usual and run-of-the-mill type, not eye-candy. #8., (v. well endowed for Thai boi!), & #20. caught my eye, both were busy & occupied with other farangs.
- Apart from better decor, in many ways like say BKK's. SUPER A: Boyz 'Ready, Willing and Able.'!

2.- KRAZY-DRAGON,
- addr.: 273/67, soi sunee,
Sunee Plaza;
- web: Krazy Dragon - The No.1 Gay Bar in Pattaya
- Drinks: all at just 99.Bh.;
- Music not too loud; no smoking that I saw or smelt;
- Boyz wore either very loose & white shorts, (numbered.), or briefs;
- Again, but with some discretion, most boyz 'Ready, Willing and Able.'.
- #99. joined me for some 'Getting to know you.' - a fascinating character in some ways ;-) . Also joined by queanie-boi & waiter Nok.

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According to a message posted at SGT:


Sunnee Update - requested : Gay Thailand - Page 2

Here in Pattaya we are in awe of any (farang) resident capable of standing without assistance even for a short time.

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Well I sallied forth this evening.

Started at Bubbles (a.k.a./ former Crystal).
5 boys on stage, maybe another five sitting about and a few others coming & going. There were several cute, cuddly, twinky, bubbly types. Cute & cuddly doesn't do anything for me, but it could be worth a visit if you're into that. There were certainly a few good looking ones who looked like they’d be fun. I'd suggest going early since there aren't many boys and I suspect the especially cuddly ones get offed early.

There were a couple of more masculine types, almost certainly straight. One had a very handsome face and was somewhat tempting, but he was just stepping over the line from appealingly beefy to discouragingly corpulent. The other guy was OK, but certainly didn't elevate my pulse, so I paid B99 for my untouched drink and set off.

The waiting staff were very pleasant and no one was at all pushy. I was the only customer at first and one other arrived as I was leaving.

Then I decided to give Vassa a try, but there were three very fluffy fragile effeminate things bouncing about in front of the bar and that didn't bode well so I kept going.

I thought about WWB or heading back to A Bomb or Funny Boys, but saw Cupidol and decided to go in.

If forced to describe the boys at Cupidol in general with one word, "inanimate" comes to mind. I'm fairly certain everyone was breathing, but I have to admit that would be pure speculation.

I was in Cupidol a couple of times maybe 6 months to a year ago. Can't recall when they first opened. I seem to remember the boys being livelier then.

One other customer. The waiter got me my drink and after a bit asked if I wanted a boy. I indicated “just a minute” with my hand and was thereafter left to my own devices ... totally.

There was one small, lean rather sexy looking guy sitting on the edge of the stage, but I wanted to see him up and moving around a little. No one moved. Songs started and finished. New songs started. No rotation.

I made some eye contact with the boy and when the zombies on stage finally shifted, he jumped the queue and went up, apparently realizing what I was waiting for. Definitely small, but a handsome face, lean smooth body.

I wanted to speak to a waiter or mamasan before calling him over. Of course, none were to be seen anywhere. I had a few questions, the most important being whether the boy was "natural" or silicone-enhanced. Once before at Cupidol I offed a really nice, personable, cute guy only to be confronted by a misshapen, bloated penis that was a total turn-off.

No mamasan, no waiter. Now the boy clearly understood I was interested and it seemed stupid to keep smirking at each other, so I called him over. Of course then the waiter miraculously appeared for the drink order. I chatted with the boy and forgot my question. I offed him. A nam soda for me, a beer for him and the off fee came to B 580.

He was small overall, but had a really nice body, nice face ... and some fucking irresponsible doctor (I assume it would be a doctor) had turned what would have been a small but proportionate penis into a bloated deformed monstrosity.

I felt bad for him (and more than a little annoyed with myself for letting this happen again), but that thing made it all into a non-starter. I explained why I had to send him off, but he didn’t speak much English and my Thai isn’t up to discussing grossly distorted genitalia. I gave him a nice tip because I didn’t like hurting his feelings ... it's got to be a bit shattering for the ego even if I'm sure he'll survive the “disappointment” in missing the opportunity of having sex with me.

So Cupidol has become one of the few bars I'll never go into again and the Boyztown/Pattayaland bars sink further in my estimation. Totally unproductive, frustrating evening.

I’ll probably give it another go tomorrow, but Sunnee is looking like a better choice… or I may stay away from the bars and remain content with my several regulars, although variety is definitely the spice of life.

I’ve nearly always had good experiences offing guys in Bangkok or Sunnee, but I can’t remember any memorable experiences that began in Boyztown/Pattayaland.

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-- 23rd. evening I went to CARTIER'S., my curiosity having been aroused by the above extract.

- Herewith walking dir'ns. -
1.- Walk along Pattaya 2nd. rd. in the same dir'n. as the road-traffic;
2.- STOP when you see MIKE'S SHOPPING CENTRE on your LHS., (it is a tall, thin & multi-story dept. store. set-back from the rd. with a 'bus./car pk. in front, and is between sois 11 & 12.),;
3.- On yr. RIGHT you will see DIANA HTL. and soi 13., (aka. Soi Diana.),;
4.- TURN RIGHT and walk-along soi 13.;
5.- Cross straight over Soi Buakhae at the next i'sect., where you'll see FAMILY MART & 7/11. on opp. corners;
6.- You are now in Soi Lengkee 1.;
7.- Walk maybe a couple of hundred yds. and you'll see CARTIER'S illuminated sign on yr. LHS.;
8.- Total leisurely walking-time from VC. HTL. would be about 35 mins..
- If you go to Google Earth then there are a couple of photos.: 'Looking up Soi Lengkee 1.' shewing quite clearly the weirdly & wonderfully named OPEY DE PLACE on the [b]RHS.[/B]; CARTIER'S is a few yds. farther along and on the opp., LHS., side;
- Google Earth co-ords.: roughly 100-53-09.E.x12-55-41.N.;
- further info. from > http://www.shamelessmack.wordpress.com <
-- NB.: You might have to scroll and to search-around for it, but it's there somewhere!

-- ETA.: 21.45.hrs. approx.;
- Largish seating space, seating is either two or three-seater black sofas wch. have seen better days but are not uncomfortable; the sofas face a std. theatre-type stage that is two floors high, (rather like BKK's. JUPITER or TAWAN BARS.), and has a walkway around at its UPPER level and a couple of ladders and a Fireman's Pole DOWN.
- At that time I was the only customer.
- Four boys, wearing tight fitting & tan briefs slid-down the pole and started dancing - but not too energetically. Three of them are well-endowed by Thai stds. - but only one was displaying a number. After a while other boyz appeared on the stage.
- All drinks are 200.Bh.!
- The M'san. - a mature, plumpish & slightly effem. type - told me that their show would be starting soon. So I asked him to bring-over one of the R&F. a go-go boyz, whose name I cannot remember,(apologies.), tallish, slim, narrow face and short hair-cut.
- 22.25.hrs. house lts. dimmed - by wch. time there were a couple or three MORE customers..
- I sha'n't detail the individual acts -they were all performed by the IN-House boyz - there were some dozen of them; the first nine or so had the boyz clothed to a greater or lesser degree;
- Then two naked boyz with flour. pt. did a limbo dance;
- Ante-penultimately one of the a/m. two, (in fact the boi who sat with me.), did a a shower act;
- Penultimately another boi performed a putting act;
- Finally the 'Putting.' boi was smoked by another; the pr. of them walked amongst us voyeurs. - the 'Putting.' boi is well-endowed in anyone's language! As I can vouch.
- Hse. lts. ON again at around 23.15.hrs..
- All nine boyz back on stage; the 'Putting.' boi is either #53. or #63., (difficult for me to determine wch., but probably #53.),.

-- As a non-Pattaya person I'd say that CARTIER'S is the only Pattaya bar that puts-on a show.
-- A long way to walk, but possibly worth the effort?

-- Interestingly enough I mentioned CARTIER'S to another farang, who's a long term resident of Pattaya, and who replied that he'd never heard of it.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. --

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-- My curiosity having been aroused and satisfied by CARTIER'S I thought that it would be time to arouse stg. else ;-)

-- So, after the a/m. visit to CARTIER'S I walked-back to CATS PLACE, where I was greeted affectionately by #12 - a dreamy-eyed Khun Pong whom I had 'offed.' after my previous visit.
- A couple of other farangs kept some of the boyz quite fully occupied, as far as I could see!
- After a while both farangs left - so I enjoyed the full & undivided att'n. of the half-a-dozen or so boyz on duty that evening.
- Khun Pong jacked-off energetically until he achieved what he wanted. One of the other boyz, Khun Bang, brought-over a roll of tissue; afterwards Khun Pong placed the empty cartridge over his cock and put them both inside his u'pants. - to the gt. amusement of the others - ha! Khun Pong then inflated a Condom and placed that inside his u'pants., wch. made him happier.
- One of the young M'sans. proposed that he CLOSE the bar and put-on a 'Smoking.' show for me; but I realized that that would entail the purchase of at least one bottle of whisky, ++.. Pleading that I had to get-out of bed early the flg. morning I managed to disuade them; just as I disuaded Khun Pong from accompanying me.

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-- VILLA ROUGE re-OPENED on 25 oct.;
- By report: smoking of ciggies. is allowed - despite notices to the contrary.

- 15 nov. - SUNEE PLAZA - street party..

- source: Pattaya Gay Report for w/e. 27 oct..

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I too had never heard of Cartiers, until about 6 months ago a local boy I offed from Boystown suggested it as an appropriate venue to select a 3rd player. It was very much as described by Sextile, but with only about 6 boys who were all well tatooted and at the rough end of the spectrum - definitley not a venue for twink seekers. We had one drink and moved on.

The weather here now delightful, tourists are starting to return to Pattaya / Jomtien but there are still more than enough cute boys to go around! A number of the boys from CATs have moved to Happy Boys after reported cash flow problems at the former !

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-- During tea time y'day., (01st.), my SGPean./Ch. acquaintance told me about some of his experiences in PATTAYA - as a 1st. time visitor.
- Although he speaks good English - albeit with an Aussie. accent - the flg. is my u'standing of what he said -

1.- At my suggestion he stayed-in NEW PARADISE INN, wch. he described as adequate and good value for money, PLUS being v. convenient for SUNEE PLAZA and not too far from BOYZTOWN, (although a TH. companion offed thence would expect tpt.!),.

2.- He visited DONGTAN BEACH and went to the same concession as I prefer and o'seen. by Khun NAT, who lamented about the shortage of customers.

3.- In BOYZTOWN he visited the flg. a go-go bars:
3.1.- BOYZ, BOYZ, BOYZ - expensive, with any boi offed. expecting 1,500.Bh. for short time and at least 2K.Bh. for o'night./long time;
3.2.- A BOMB - A v. pushy M'San. who became angry that after 15mins. he had not invited a boi to sit with him. For good measure the M'San. suggested that any boi offed for LT. would expect 3K.Bh.! A better looking boi than most was invited to sit with him - conversation indicated that the boi would be quite happy to accept 1K.Bh. for o'night. - the M'San. did not look pleased.

4.- SUNEE PLAZA:
4.1.- KRAZY DRAGON - Too 'In your face.' with the table-top dancers all to ready to shew-off their endowments and too eager in pretending to add to one's drink ;
4.2. - A couple of other a go-go bars, whose names he'd forgotten or chose not to mention, where the boyz are too young & twinkie and again too blatant for his liking;
4.3.- COME IN BAR - Much MORE to his liking, especially as he picked-up a couple of boyz there for o'night. stays. I gathered that he's recovering from a broken-off relationship and that the visit to this place has helped to put him back & on the rd. to recovery, so much so that he hopes to see one of the boyz during his next visit in dec..
4.4.- CAT'S PLACE - Not visited, too far away to be worth it also he'd heard that it is seedy & going down-hill fast.

-- E&OE. --.

-- PS.: acknowledgements to Khun Biggles., Nalong, ShamelessMack et al whose info. has proved to be so helpful to us occasional visitors to PATTAYA.

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maybe dear sextile would happen to know if that NEW Paradise is actually really new? I stayed in Paradise-just around the corner of Sunee last time-which must have been 2000 or so. Was getting pretty worn then-but had plnety of bigsize rooms for just 300 bt. Used to be quite popular among Arabs/Mid-East visitors.

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