Wildest Upcountry Town
 

I feel like starting a few new threads, and this is another attempt.
Outside of the big, popular cities with established scenes (Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya, Chiangmai), which towns have you had really wild sexual romps in?
For me, I'd rate Phitsanulok at the top. Actually, the P-Lok stuff happened the better part of a decade ago, but I scored well on 3 separate trips. Some very wild young men in that town. Most of them I found at a local host bar called Bahn Peuen (Friend's House), that I think is now closed. Another time I met a guy online and he turned out to be fun.
Anyway, share your experiences. I wouldn't mind another road trip this year.

Isarn
 

I do not have any tales to tell on this subject but I do have an observation to make. I was called upon to be in Khon Khaen (ขอนแก่น) a few weekends ago. I did not get up to anything, unfortunately, but I must say that, on average, the young men on that town were to my taste. Slightly on the rough side, handsome, rugged, masculine. My head was turning hither and thither, much like the affiliations of most Thai politicians. I was sure that I would need to consult a good physiotherapist upon my return to Bangkok. I'm sure if one was brave enough, much fun could be had in most towns in Thailand.

I've been to Khon Kaen. Thought there's a sauna, nothing could be called wild.

Udon Thani
 

Friends, do the 1 or 2 gay bars in Udon still exist?

Any info on Surin or Kanchanaburi - Thanks

Photharam is emerging as a gay oasis just one hour north of Bkk. Just about an hours drive north of Bkk along route 4 there are two gay resorts developing side by side. Both are gay owned and gay staffed. Ruen Rachapreuk currently has 10 rooms and are building more rooms. Located at the back of temple grounds and on the banks of the Maekong river. Local lads hang at the resorts and are available charging a max of 500 baht. This was originally reported on Sawatdee forum.

Mekong?
 

I think the Mekong river is further away from Bangkok than one hour - unless you drive like a madman!

The Maeklong, not the Mekong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mae_Klong

I remember that river now. it has the "bridge on the river Kwai" further upstream and comes out just down the coast from Bangkok towards Hua Hin. I took a train from Wong Wien Yai (Taksin statue circle across the river in Thonburi) to Mahachai (Samut Sakhon), crossed anothe river and took the train again for another hour to Samut Songkhran at the mouth of the Mae Klong. The train runs on isolated routes not connected to the main system and costs Bht10 for each leg of the journey. The legs take 1 hour each. Makes a great day out and very fine fish restaurant at Mahachai(half way point) market with one or two cute waiters. Mostly market people and school kids on the train.

Photharam is actualy west of Bangkok on the Phetkassem road route to Hua Hin.
From Fattman's directions on Dragoncastle, the resorts are probably at 13 41 59.85N and 99 50 51.83E on Google Earth. The brothel mentioned also by Fattman is probably at 13 41 41N and 99 51 48E but is hidden/sensored? by cloud on Google!!

Boys Boys Bar near the Bus Station is still there with a very good selection of boys - at least three weeks ago.
As for the Antz Bar, I could not find it despite the details I had gathered from the TMM website ; however I saw a bar called "Lady Boy" in the same area but could not determine if this was a place for us or not, as I went there in the late afternoon (and a gorgeous lad from Boys Boys had hooked me for the rest of my one-day stay in Udon, so could not return for a check in the evening).
There is definitely no boys bar in the new entertainment plazas that have recently opened near the railway station.

Does anyone know of any cruising / massage / off / sauna / fun opportunities in lower Isan? Buriram, Surin, Sisaket and environs? Was thinking of making a trek to Khao Phra Viharn now that it has reopened.

bisnis as in KnKn/Udorn-like sauna, dedicated host-bars etc; forget it. cruising: of course, a lot. Locals dont have much money-and if-wont spend that on what they see as unnnecessary expense. But many boys who see the opportunity have already vanished to BKK/PTY etc anyway from there-as any visit must have shown you.
I dont travel that often anymore-once you have seen it you have seen most of it-and 95% of those friendly locals are to be found somewhere in BKK anyway-but I can still surprise newly found friends from there in BKk by telling-and proving with some details-Ive been there-on my own, whithout a friend etc.
O-if you go there-it will be assumed you speak Thai and have some girl/buyfriend or even wife there-who would come there otherwise?
The ''best''city for commercial sex out of the farang-four is HaadYai-mainly aiming at the nearby malays-but have not been there either long time and dont know how the southern troubles have affected it.
With ever increasing tourist nrs-and hence an unavoidable ''pattaya-isering'' Samui-and I bet next Krabi will follow suit in the commercial sector.

-- I have met but one boi from SURIN: a polite but rather effem. young man.
- However, all my talking boyz allged that boyz from SURIN are better endowed than from many another up-country place, possibly due to Kampuchean elements in their ancestry?
-- Bibi. --

As out of the question as commercial gay sex venues in these type of locations may have been in the past, the situation is definitely changing. Witness the scene in Ratchaburi, a go-go bar in Ubon (now closed, apparently), saunas in Khon Kaen and Ubon, and whispers of similar meeting spots popping up in other far-flung places.

I found one net mention of alleged off bar in Buriram, but have so far not been able to dig up any details.

Of course, I know that sex in any province in Thailand is only as far as the nearest shopping mall or park.

That last photo is crying out for a Mae West like caption:

"Is that a canon you're sitting on or are you just happy to see me?"

-- Perhaps our esteemed Moderators - for whom no-one has an higher regard than I do - would consided offering a suitable prize for the most original caption? ;)

-- I would not wish to seem to be a pedant, (really? you must be joking!), but is that the generally accepted version of the correct spelling for a piece of artillery?
-- Bibi. --

I'll ask DF later today about how that goes in Sakorn Nakorn-after all he went to see the family a few weeks ago.
Just 1 more hint: (I think from the gay branch on thaivisa): the local barber will know-the advice was to invest 20/30 bt in a haircut and ask-this of course also assumes you speak enough Thai-and invariably the local scene will be unfolded.

sorry about the time in between/but I also travelled back home in EUR in this time and dont have any chance to open this site at any place.
So as promised I questioned DF about the meeting palces in Sak Nakorn (and also Nakorn phanom) where he did Matayom,. This was not as easy as I had thought/had to refrase 3 times, it went like this`
1.I cannot do that there/I stay with mae and phee chai and anybody know me (my comment/ he had not been home for 2 yrs/but mae ran a shop)
2.SN no have bar gay/only Udorn/have 2 or 3/with gogo and karaoke.
3.Oh, you mean like that. No place/it just happens. But you know me/I no katoey-ladyboy, I gay. (Yes, I was fully aware of that since 7 yrs'. Maybe in the park/maybe in the sports/maybe on the street.
Ladyboy/you can go to near the park/evening/or in NP along the river-walk (that seems reasonable).
It seems thus that its the old fashioned pattern of a ´´real male´´ seeking a ladyboy for relief. Gays in the way we use it are rare/and in fact any single farang male will assumed to be looking for someone/any place/any time/or else he would have his (Thai) wife with him, nah.

updates?
 

Any news from upcountry lately? Wondering if anyone has been to Udon Thani, Phitsanulok, Lopburi, Khon Kaen, or anywhere else in the northern extremities. I'm itching to get out of Bangkok, but the idea of Pattaya, Phuket or Samui doesn't appeal to me.

Action in the backblocks
 

I visit many areas where there is no gay scene like we see in Pattaya, Bangkok etc

If you make the effort and keep alert you will find some action anywhere in Thailand. It is more than a challenge than just paying for it in the gay towns.

Last month in Korat I went to the straight disco and spotted a cute guy close by and said "hello" when I noticed he was looking my way fairly often. One needs to be careful anywhere and I don't want a beating for making advances to a totally str8 guy but I just kept chatting with him when he passed by and by the end of the night he was in my bed.

It is hit and miss because I have been there on other nights and there was more chance of a marriage proposal from all the ladies looking for a farang husband. In any case the Thais at these places are always friendly to me and I seem to have an enjoyable night out.

Some of the tuk tuk drivers seem to know if there is any action available, that nice looking guy sitting next to you on the bus or passing by in the shopping centre could be keen. There are many gay waiters in the restaurants. Just smile and strike up a conversation with them, even with the language barrier you will soon find out if there is any interest, just don't push it.

There is no guarantee of any action in the back blocks but it is fun trying. I would not go there with the expectation of getting any fun but you may get a nice surprise. It's a change from the big cities and there are some amazing historical sights and natural wonders which includes the always present boy eye candy to be seen everywhere in Thailand.

Luckily, I think that's mostly a Western concept. Never heard of it happening here.

Yes I have never felt threatened. I guess I should have said that maybe I am just a bit more careful in how I approach the guys than in places like Pattaya.

There are many so called str8 guys that are open to some fun in the rural areas and I did take notice of how the locals reacted when the cute guy started hugging me and getting up close at the Korat disco. Nobody seemed to care and the two big tough looking guys that I had been drinking with were still saying cheers to me and clicking their glasses with mine. It would never happen in my home town.

-- For those Gentle Readers living outside of The Kingdom, who might be unable to obtain the various freebie mags., the flg. info. about KORAT*, the Gateway to I-San, might be helpful when considering your future and upcountry vacations -

1.- BAAN KHUN CHAI.;
- Reportedly a newly opened SPA. with various kinds of massage ... selection of handsome masseurs ... .
- tel.: (081)-646 1319..

2.- X-SIZE - The 'Coyote.' Boy;
- Reportedly a newly opened pub. complete with sound & light system ... many shows ...cute coyote boys, handsome dancers, cabaret show and much, much more.
- tel.: (081)-6461319..

- source: Freebie & monthly mag. Variety - VIII. #76..

--* KORAT is approx. 160M NE. by road from BKK.;
- KORAT does not have its own functioning airport, the nearest airport is at BURIRAM - BFV.;
- KORAT is a rly. junc. town.

-- Usual disclaimers. --

to add to Aussieguy-a simliar report from the gay section of thaivisa said it was best to visit a Barbershop-any will do-and ask. They are supposed to invariably know the meetign palces. And yes-as how the Thai look at it-haircutmen are a real gay profession. With just the mildest form of local know how threat of a beat-up are very, very slim to negligible in Thailand. Some assistance in pinting to someone else or even pushing a willing friend into is more likely to happen.

Nice surprise
 

Recently I had to work for a few days in Khon Kaen, I found the address of Dolphins, then, on the street I asked a very masculine very hot young man, turned out to be 19 years old local uni student studying engineering, to give me some directions to get the the Dolphins address.

His response in excellent English was "What is Dolphins?" I explained it was a gay massage shop. He asked me to explain further which I did including the 'extra service' factor, the tipping routine etc.

His next response was "If I give you a massage will you give me the tip?"

Fifteen minutes later we were all showered and in action in my hotel, massage was OK and sex was excellent and he wanted to try the bottom role.

We enjoyed repeat sessions for the 4 evenings I had to stay there, including dinner and some interesting conversations.

After the second evening I asked him if he was gay or straight?

His response was "I can't answer your question, because I don't think in terms of gay or straight. I like sex and I want to experience and enjoy every form of sex with both men and women and with all age groups."

Third and fourth night also very enjoyable but he declined any tip.

I asked him if he had any local 'sex buddies'? His reply was "You mean other boys", I said yes, and he continued to tell me "Yes, I have sex parties in my room every week with about 4 other student friends, and he emphahsised that they are all 'men', who enjoy everything."

So, we should be hanging out on that street looking for a very hot, masculine guy, eh? He sounds like fun!

I guess you didn't bother to go to Dolphins in the end. I went a couple of years ago, found it welcoming but there was just one massage guy...about 23...passable but completely non-erotic massage, so I didn't bother to push it any further.
Reminded me a bit of the sauna on the river in Chiang Mai(forget name) and Babylon and Candle T Spa who all deliver massage in a very gay environment but for some strange reason, consider sex to be beneath them....so I tend to rely on "non-sex" massage places where at least you have a chance of something fresh and mutually enjoyed.

About 15 years ago, most saunas had massage service with happy ending. Guess the sauna owners dropped the service due to the high "fees" demanded by Thailand's finest, probably the same amount as the massage parlours where the service are provided by men for men. :p

-- Today, (12th.), forenoon I was chatting with a Pattaya-based Aussie. who likes to visit 'UP Country.'. He recommended the flg. -

1.- KORAT, (aka. Nakon R'sima.), wch. is approx. 160M. NE. from BKK.as the crow flies:
1.1.- CHAROEN HOTEL., nr. to ROBINSON'S; no problems with bringing back companions;
1.2.- CENTRALWORLD., (ex-Big C.?), cruisy;
1.3.- BOY BOY., (?), Karaoke bar;

2.- UDON THANI, approx. 350M. NExN. from BKK.:
2.1.- THE MALL., cruisy.

I queried about the need for us farangs to speak Thai? He replied that many of the younger men - above the legal age, of course - can manage enough basic English to make themselves u'stood..

I think your friend must be making a mistake.
Boy Boy Bar, Charoen Hotel and Centralworld are located in Udon Thani - Boy Boy karaoke bar was still going last year and I think it is still there (near old Bus Station).
And The Mall is in Khorat where there was a Buddy Boys Bar which seems to have closed in 2008.

-- Tku. for yr. corr'n. wch. I'll check with my informant the next that that we'll meet.

There was a time -- in Bangkok though -- that I attended a grand restaurant opening and there were extra catering staff were outsourced for the gig. I engaged in convesation with a very cute staff. Though busy, he was happy to get the attention, and soon I couldn't resist fondling his arms, ears and chest while he continued his work. His supervisors obviously noticed but did not seem to mind too much. Now and then, they just gave him orders, such as "put the salad plates here" and "cut some more bread there". The guests also saw "us" but they too didn't bother.

Did you get to home base with that cute guy? I think they'll let you do this, but whether it results in anything is questionable. I've talked to cute Thai waiters here in the U.S., gotten their e-mail addresses, written (feeling sure that they were interested in meeting) and they never respond. It seems that they politely put up with it, but secretly reject it.

My first Thai b.f. (from 1992 here in the U.S.) said that although farangs THINK that Thai are totally accepting of gay people, it's really NOT accepted. I've heard this over and over again from Thai people (in Bangkok). Also, that theme is present in Thai gay movies (gay Thai teenagers getting beaten up at school and called "fag" (and other similar themes)). I don't think gay people are REALLY accepted in Thailand--it just seems that way to foreigners. My perception of Thailand is that things are very much more complicated than farangs think--and there is a very complicated greed/money mentality even when we don't suspect it. The very low wages, the social structure (where merit does not matter as much as family or connections)--all contribute to a very GRIM life of extremely complicated interactions among Thai--and complicated (and intricate) money (and kickback) systems. I also suspect that everything has hidden (and complicated) kickbacks involved.

This is largely true, but not entirely so. You just have to look at the number of gays who appear on television and the way this is accepted by Thai society. A lot of guys I have met over the years are openly gay and that is fully accepted by their families and the family's friends. There was even a gossip article in one of Bangkok's English newpapers yesterday about a famous lesbian and her latest 'marriage' to a previously straight actress. But generally speaking, Thailand is a very conservative society.

Now THAT is totally true - the rules of Thai society and Thai logic defeat most westerners, so it's usually best just to accept life in Thailand for what it is and not to try and understand why it is so.

The lives lead by the majority may seem grim to westerners, but when this is all you know and this is your country, it may not seem so bad. Corruption in particular in an evil which helps ensure that wealth does not trickle down to the countryside. Yet, the vast majority who live in the country seem to accept and participate in that corruption. So its roots worm their way deep into Thai society. Again, I think wantasian's comment is a general truth, but "grim" would hardly describe the life lead by many millions of Thais.

Some very wise words. Thanks.

After a recent trip to Isaan in general and Udon Thani in particular, I can report on some interesting places. I discovered two pleasant massage places in Udon. One is called Gentle and the other is Bandung Spa (sister of the one in Prapadaeng, Thonburi(Bangkok).
The boss of Bandung Spa is EXTREMEY pleasant, cute and loveable...more so than all the boys...but being a professional, I merely invited him for dinner at Sizzlers, rather than let rip inside his underwear. His name is Bank and he hails from Maharsarakham.
You can check out the boys and a map at:
hi5 - bandung Udon or
hi5 - bandung Udon

I picked the boy called Gear (picture on the web site).
Went upstairs and into a room with mattress on the floor. Then went to a shower alone and then back to the room where Gear came after his shower. He did a good oil massage (about Bht500 for 90 minutes) while naked and soon his dick was rigid and was looking for someplace to put it. He tasted lovely and really was a very happy sex partner. A good atmosphere but not too many boys to choose from...although Bank would arrange pretty much what made you happy if you were there for a long stay.

Later I visited Gentle massage:
Gentle

While driving there, I passed a boy karaoke joint called City Man, but boys outside didn't seem too interested in me and me not in them:(.
Gentle is good with another helpful, but not sexy boss. The boy I wanted from the picture album was sick and others were away home. But next day I had Jack...a very good boy. My picture picks, M and Q, were still away. Apparently they are brothers and can work together well. Similar set up to Bandung with boys massaging naked and doing whatever was required. There is a good farang restaurant next door doing big breakfasts and some UK deli stuff.
After the massage at 1:30 pm, I asked the boss about evening activity and he directed me to The Boy Zone which is almost at the junction of Adunyadet and Phon Phisai Roads. It's a small shop house with boys sitting outside in the evening. There is a large straight karaoke house opposite. On the very corner is an excellent short-time hotel with big ceiling mirror and hi-fi etc and porno movies...all for Bht240. You drive in and immediately an obliging gentleman draws a blind behind the car in a covered carport. You walk directly into the room from the car.
Anyhow, the bar was ok..some pleasant street-types with whom you can snuggle and grope in the bar or take to the motel. Bht80 for drinks and Bht250 off. I didn't off from there. But while in Central Plaza (ex-Robinsons), I was courted by a public health university student who was keen to chat and show me Udon. The short-time motel was part of the route I chose. He was pretty much a besotted virgin I found. Very pleasant young guy with dark, smooth skin. His dick was above average size and rearing to go from the initial contact. I really enjoyed his company and although he didn't know any short-time places or even that they existed, he handled to motel well.
Apart from all the above, Udon is a very desirable place with a Carrefour and at least three Tescos and even a new Jeffer. It's a real up and coming town for expats and with the super new Central in Khon Kaen (equally as good, if not better than the new Pattaya one) just down the road, its a lot of fun.

Thanks for rejuvenating this thread.

Kanchanaburi can now be added to the list of provinces where gay nightspots can be found: the first bar (with karaoke and off) opened there a couple months ago according to my sources.

It's on the river road a km or two south of the River Kwai Bridge, on the bend in the road next to a nice vegetarian restaurant.

Not sure of the name.

-- 'Vaut le detour.' as Le Guide Michelin might advise.
- For a farang who possesses but one word of Lao-speak - and not much more for Thai-speak - how is UDON for Ahng-grit-speak?

I'm not even sure of your "ahng-grit-speak", sextile...even I as a native speaker sometimes have trouble deciphering your posts!

-- I do not speak English as I write it in these threads; in fact most of the abreviations that I use are those that I've met along life's way and wch. I use as possibly most of the readers are native speakers of English, who - even if they don't recognise the abreviation - should be able to make an informed guess from the context.
- When I speak and/or write to non-native speakers/readers then of course I do try and write correct English as a courtesy to them, (and also to save them from writing such replies as above: ;) ! ,.