Oral hygiene.
 

-- A respondant in the flg. web-site
:: Trevvy / SGBOY :: Lifestyle. Community. Me. (Gay Singapore Malaysia Hong Kong Thailand Australia)
has suggested that washing-out one's mouth using a mouth-wash - such as L*st*r*ne - within a period of 30 mins. either side of smoking should be avoided as it removes the natural protection from teeth and from gums. He suggests that plain tap-water should be used instead.
- I must allow that I'm a long time user of L*st*r*n* for my oral hygiene - usual disclaimer, of course.
- Is anyone else aware of this or have any judgements on oral hygiene for smokers?
-- Bibi.. --

This is worrisome, for I always use mouth-wash after smoking too. Coming to think of it, many message boys refused to use it even when offered. Could it be they were taught precisely not to?

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This is worrisome, for I always use mouth-wash after smoking too. Coming to think of it, many message boys refused to use it even when offered. Could it be they were taught precisely not to?[/QUOTE]

-- I did ask the originator in SGBOY.COM for a further reference, but sofar there has been no reply to my request. Par for the course, I fear.
- My Elderly And American Acquaintance will be visiting his dentist and oral hygienist here in BKK. during the next few days, so I've asked him if he would be good enough to make discreet enquiries with them?
- Possibly one of our esteemed medical colleagues, or someone else with MORE info., would be good enough to enlighten us?
-- Bibi.. --

-- This forenoon, (05th.), my EAAA. visited his oral-hygienist and, as promised, enquired about the use of a mouth-wash both before and after smoking.
- The reply was roughly along the lines of 'On the one hand: pro and on the other hand: contra.'.
- Pro: A mouth-wash can leave one's mouth feeling clean and sweet smelling for a certain period.
- Contra: Many mouth-washes contain alcohol*, wch. can dry-out one's mouth and so inhibit saliva.
- I was left with the feeling that it was an answerless answer.
-- My EAAA. said that he'd check further wth his dentist after his return to the USofA..
-* From the label listing the constituents I see that L*st*r*n*, as sold here in some shops in TH., does not contain alcohol.
-- Bibi.. --

Wouldn't alcohol be a good thing from the point of view of fighting germs/bacteria? They use alcohol frequently in hospitals for wound and hand hygene. If I was going to smoke an Indra massage boy, I would certainly want a lot of alcohol before and after. Khun Sexy Tiler, that is meant to be a joke:D

-- Khun Yannawa,
- Thank you for your obsvns.; agreed with you about alcohol being used in hospitals on swabs etc, etc..
- When I was working in KSA. it was a point of amusement to us foreigners that the alcohol used on hospitals' swabs was treated specially so as to make it unpleasant to drink - lest someone obtain a large supply of swabs - either new or used - and then try to express the liquid for their own consumption.
- I u'stand. - from another and non-medical source - that in mouth-washes any alcohol is MORE of an assistant to the medium used for the other constituents and is not used primarily as a biocide/germicide.
- But I write under corr'n. from a practising and medical professional.

-- Your joke about the boyz in INDRA MASSAGE noted, I larfed: ha! Ha!! :D - if only others were as witty, and could use a good joke to make their point.
- As an aside I was reminded of Dr. Johnson's rebuff to Lord Sandwich when the latter tried to make a joke at the Dr's. expense: 'Sir, a joke in your mouth is no laughing matter.'.
-- Bibi.. --

My understanding. The body's mucous membranes are equipped with their own sophisticated mechanisms for protecting your body from invasion by pathogens.

When you use mouthwash after giving a bj or try to douche your ass after getting fucked without a condom (or if the condom breaks), you are doing more harm than good by washing away your body's natural defenses.

Besides, if spunk is already in your mouth or ass, it's too late to be trying to wash it away. Might as well just savor it. I know Cupidman will agree :).

Rather long (and inconclusive) discussion here ... mainly to do with HIV transmission but also mentions other STDs.


LINK: Risk of HIV Infection Through Receptive Oral Sex

Bangkok post today
 

On the front page of the Outlook section of the Bangkok Post today - lots of dental advice. The dentist there was basically saying not to use mouthwash for reasons Sextile first posted (though he was not talking about oral sex).

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On the front page of the Outlook section of the Bangkok Post today - lots of dental advice. ... . [/QUOTE]

-- hcmpp.,
- Thank you for this.
- I missed reading today's BKK. Post., but tomorrow I shall hope that my usual morning's cafe will have kept a copy of the previous day's 'papers..
-- Bibi.. --

-- For those of you who may not have access to the BKK. Post here is the relevant part of correspondent Ms. Arusa Pisuthipan' article,verbatim et literatim, and quoting a Dr. Rasmee Jindarojanakul, a dentist:

Myth: Mouthwash should be used every day for good oral hygiene.
Wrong. The use of mouthwash does not reduce the need for brushing and flossing. Neither is it considered an appropriate substitute for oral care. 'If you clean your teeth and tongue thoroughly, mouthwash is not necessary,' Dr. Rasmee remarks. 'In your body there is both good and bad bacteria. The good beneficial bacteria, called normal florae, live inside many organs in your body, including but not limited to the intestines, nose and oral cavity. Normal florae function like soldiers that help your body against diseases. If you use mouthwash too frequently, it will kill these soldiers. And when your body becomes weak, you will be easily exposed to, and affected by, diseases.'.
Dr. Rasmee is of the opinion that mothwash is to be used only occasionally, such as when the body's immune system becomes fragile, at which time mouthwash will help to kill unfriendly bacteria that are going to wreck havoc on your physical health and fitness.

-- Quite who this Dr. Rasmee is, where she practices and any other pertinent info. were not provided.

-- On one of my bottles of L*st*r*n* I read - 'Mothwash with antiseptic agent.' and 'Clinically proven.'.
- On a bottle of M*b*c*n I read - 'Mouthwash with antiseptic agent.' and 'Reduces germs that cause bad breath & plaque Total protecton for healthy teeth and gums.'
- The above possibly selling points that need to be believed cum grano salis?

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimers as I am not a medicially trained person. -- Bibi.. --

Health experts have warned that mouthwashes containing alcohol can cause cancer and should be removed from supermarket shelves.News Ltd says leading independent experts issued the warning after investigating the latest scientific evidence linking alcohol-containing mouthwashes to the deadly disease.

Their review, published in the Dental Journal of Australia, concludes there is now "sufficient evidence" that "alcohol-containing mouthwashes contribute to the increased risk of development of oral cancer".

The ethanol in mouthwash is thought to allow cancer-causing substances to permeate the lining of the mouth more easily and cause harm.

Acetaldehyde, a toxic by-product of alcohol that may accumulate in the oral cavity when swished around the mouth, is also believed to be carcinogenic.

This morning on ABC News Radio the head of the Dental Authority suggested that this News Limited report was alarmist yet interesting.He had spoken to the journalist but there seems to be different understandings of conclusive evidence from these experts.

He did add that you do not need mouthwash if you eat healthy food and clean your teeth properly and also added to see your dental practitioner if you felt you needed to do more.

-- Oh dear! Does this mean that one should no longer drink alcohol-based beverages?
-- Bibi.. --

I think it must be the swishing that leads to subsequent death & destruction.

So whatever you put in your oral cavity should not be swished. Sucking, slurping and gulping may be assumed to be risk-free until proven otherwise.

Actually, in certain neighborhoods, any form of swishing can be dangerous.

AUDIO DEBUNKING THE MURDOCH PRESS REPORT:

Click3rd Item JAN 11:

ABC News Radio




Television coverage of this published finding showed a graphic of a Listerine label carrying an
endorsement from the Australian Dental Authority.

Re Alcohol and mouth cancer.Binge drinking coupled with smoking exacerbates onset of mouth cancer

What about drinking alcohol?

Prof McCullough said the most popular mouthwashes contained higher concentrations of alcohol than drinks such as wine or beer.

"If you have a glass of wine, you tend to swallow it,'' he said.

"With mouthwash, you have a higher level of alcohol and spend longer swishing it around your mouth.

"The alcohol that is present in your mouth is turned into acetaldehyde.''

Regular alcohol consumption was a cancer risk, Prof McCullough said, but usually did not involve swishing it around the mouth.

Eating while drinking increased salivation, which lowered the risks, he said.

"The most significant difference (between alcohol and alcohol-containing mouthwash) is that one is for pleasure and the other is being recommended as a health product.''

......I'll give up mouthwash before wine thanks !!

What else might you tend to do with it?

Unfortunately for nonsmokers it makes little difference. One can still smell it and it is a major turnoff.

I think we may have a misunderstanding of smoking.

Smoking refers to fellatio ... oral sex. If a subsequent nonsmoker can still smell it, either he has an unusually acute sense of smell or the departed smokee has an unusually virulent form of crotch rot.:eek:

-- "Mea culpa.",
- Even although I used Italic script for the word smoking perhaps I ought to have realized that there are those who are unfamiliar with the local meaning of that word - wch. is not the enjoyment of ciggies.!
-- Bibi.. --

Thanks for clarification. Im so ignorant:mad:

"Ignorant" may be a bit harsh. It's a euphemism that is (I think??) unique to Thailand and even in Thailand only a very small subset of the population would ever use it in this way. Since we are a part of the subset, it's easy to forget that most people are unfamiliar with its local meaning.

asking medical advice from a hygenist?
maybe flossing advice yes...

-- Y'day., (17th.), I went to BKK. XTN. HOSPITAL'S Physical Examination Unit - wch. is run in conjunction with CDC. ATLANTA - for a regular, std. & free check of my blood: HIV. & Sy..

-- I asked the nurse about gargling with L*str*r*n*, or similar, before and/or after oral s*x?
- Her reply, 'In my own opinion.' was along the lines that plenty of fresh water to wash-out one's mouth before and after would be better; but if one feels that L'*n*. or similar would be helpful then it would be better to use it afterwards.
- I write as a non-medical person. -- Bibi.. --

how many times do you have regular check for std and hiv?
And what is a good place in BKK to go?

-- The recommended period between check-ups is three months; reportedly this is the window that it can - but not always - take HIV. symptoms to shew after first infection; other STDs./STIs. may shew themselves sooner.
- I go to -
BANGKOK CHRISTIAN HOSPITAL,
- Physical Examination Unit,
- addr.: Tnn. Si Lom,
Bang rak, BKK. 10500.;
- BTS./MRT.: Sala Daeng, (S2.),/Silom;
- tel.: (02)-634 2917.;
- web: ¤ÅÔ¹Ô¡ªØÁª¹ÊÕÅÁ
- hrs.: tue.-sat. 16-22.oo.
- Testing is anonymous and free.
-- Bibi. --

-- Should one decide that BCH's. test for just HIV. & Sy. may be insufficient then the flg. pte. clinic., (wch. I attended in jul. '04.), might suffice as it will run the gamut of necessary tests, (blood, 3 swabs, urine etc.), as requested -

SURAWONGSE MEDICAL CENTER..
- addr.: Surawongse plaza,
37/4, Suriwong rd., Bang rak, BKK. 10500.;
- loc'n. off Suriwong rd. on small soi between SARIKA CAFE and branch of SIAM COMM'L. BANK, (roughly opp. to MONTEIN HTL.),;
- tel.: (02)-235 2662-64.;
- web.: n/a.;
- hrs.: 08.30.-22.oo. - not sure of this is daily or excl. w/ends.?
- On checking-in one registers on payment of a fee and is given the std. sized card with one's name and OPD. number on it for future ref.;
- The results of a few tests may be given soon after testing, for others a wait of several days for the lab's. analysis may be req'd.;
- cost for testing only: approx. 3,000.oo.Bh., (from memory!),;
- There is a small dispensary, wch. does not carry a comprehensive stock of medications for all types of infections.

-- NB.: There are other clinics - pte. & pub. - and hospitals that will cary-out these tests.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi.. --