-- A respondant in the flg. web-site
:: Trevvy / SGBOY :: Lifestyle. Community. Me. (Gay Singapore Malaysia Hong Kong Thailand Australia)
has suggested that washing-out one's mouth using a mouth-wash - such as L*st*r*ne - within a period of 30 mins. either side of smoking should be avoided as it removes the natural protection from teeth and from gums. He suggests that plain tap-water should be used instead.
- I must allow that I'm a long time user of L*st*r*n* for my oral hygiene - usual disclaimer, of course.
- Is anyone else aware of this or have any judgements on oral hygiene for smokers?
-- Bibi.. --

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This is worrisome, for I always use mouth-wash after smoking too. Coming to think of it, many message boys refused to use it even when offered. Could it be they were taught precisely not to?

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This is worrisome, for I always use mouth-wash after smoking too. Coming to think of it, many message boys refused to use it even when offered. Could it be they were taught precisely not to?[/QUOTE]

-- I did ask the originator in SGBOY.COM for a further reference, but sofar there has been no reply to my request. Par for the course, I fear.
- My Elderly And American Acquaintance will be visiting his dentist and oral hygienist here in BKK. during the next few days, so I've asked him if he would be good enough to make discreet enquiries with them?
- Possibly one of our esteemed medical colleagues, or someone else with MORE info., would be good enough to enlighten us?
-- Bibi.. --

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-- This forenoon, (05th.), my EAAA. visited his oral-hygienist and, as promised, enquired about the use of a mouth-wash both before and after smoking.
- The reply was roughly along the lines of 'On the one hand: pro and on the other hand: contra.'.
- Pro: A mouth-wash can leave one's mouth feeling clean and sweet smelling for a certain period.
- Contra: Many mouth-washes contain alcohol*, wch. can dry-out one's mouth and so inhibit saliva.
- I was left with the feeling that it was an answerless answer.
-- My EAAA. said that he'd check further wth his dentist after his return to the USofA..
-* From the label listing the constituents I see that L*st*r*n*, as sold here in some shops in TH., does not contain alcohol.
-- Bibi.. --

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Wouldn't alcohol be a good thing from the point of view of fighting germs/bacteria? They use alcohol frequently in hospitals for wound and hand hygene. If I was going to smoke an Indra massage boy, I would certainly want a lot of alcohol before and after. Khun Sexy Tiler, that is meant to be a joke

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-- Khun Yannawa,
- Thank you for your obsvns.; agreed with you about alcohol being used in hospitals on swabs etc, etc..
- When I was working in KSA. it was a point of amusement to us foreigners that the alcohol used on hospitals' swabs was treated specially so as to make it unpleasant to drink - lest someone obtain a large supply of swabs - either new or used - and then try to express the liquid for their own consumption.
- I u'stand. - from another and non-medical source - that in mouth-washes any alcohol is MORE of an assistant to the medium used for the other constituents and is not used primarily as a biocide/germicide.
- But I write under corr'n. from a practising and medical professional.

-- Your joke about the boyz in INDRA MASSAGE noted, I larfed: ha! Ha!! - if only others were as witty, and could use a good joke to make their point.
- As an aside I was reminded of Dr. Johnson's rebuff to Lord Sandwich when the latter tried to make a joke at the Dr's. expense: 'Sir, a joke in your mouth is no laughing matter.'.
-- Bibi.. --

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My understanding. The body's mucous membranes are equipped with their own sophisticated mechanisms for protecting your body from invasion by pathogens.

When you use mouthwash after giving a bj or try to douche your ass after getting fucked without a condom (or if the condom breaks), you are doing more harm than good by washing away your body's natural defenses.

Besides, if spunk is already in your mouth or ass, it's too late to be trying to wash it away. Might as well just savor it. I know Cupidman will agree .

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Rather long (and inconclusive) discussion here ... mainly to do with HIV transmission but also mentions other STDs.


LINK: Risk of HIV Infection Through Receptive Oral Sex

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On the front page of the Outlook section of the Bangkok Post today - lots of dental advice. The dentist there was basically saying not to use mouthwash for reasons Sextile first posted (though he was not talking about oral sex).

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On the front page of the Outlook section of the Bangkok Post today - lots of dental advice. ... . [/QUOTE]

-- hcmpp.,
- Thank you for this.
- I missed reading today's BKK. Post., but tomorrow I shall hope that my usual morning's cafe will have kept a copy of the previous day's 'papers..
-- Bibi.. --

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-- For those of you who may not have access to the BKK. Post here is the relevant part of correspondent Ms. Arusa Pisuthipan' article,verbatim et literatim, and quoting a Dr. Rasmee Jindarojanakul, a dentist:

Myth: Mouthwash should be used every day for good oral hygiene.
Wrong. The use of mouthwash does not reduce the need for brushing and flossing. Neither is it considered an appropriate substitute for oral care. 'If you clean your teeth and tongue thoroughly, mouthwash is not necessary,' Dr. Rasmee remarks. 'In your body there is both good and bad bacteria. The good beneficial bacteria, called normal florae, live inside many organs in your body, including but not limited to the intestines, nose and oral cavity. Normal florae function like soldiers that help your body against diseases. If you use mouthwash too frequently, it will kill these soldiers. And when your body becomes weak, you will be easily exposed to, and affected by, diseases.'.
Dr. Rasmee is of the opinion that mothwash is to be used only occasionally, such as when the body's immune system becomes fragile, at which time mouthwash will help to kill unfriendly bacteria that are going to wreck havoc on your physical health and fitness.

-- Quite who this Dr. Rasmee is, where she practices and any other pertinent info. were not provided.

-- On one of my bottles of L*st*r*n* I read - 'Mothwash with antiseptic agent.' and 'Clinically proven.'.
- On a bottle of M*b*c*n I read - 'Mouthwash with antiseptic agent.' and 'Reduces germs that cause bad breath & plaque Total protecton for healthy teeth and gums.'
- The above possibly selling points that need to be believed cum grano salis?

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimers as I am not a medicially trained person. -- Bibi.. --

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Health experts have warned that mouthwashes containing alcohol can cause cancer and should be removed from supermarket shelves.News Ltd says leading independent experts issued the warning after investigating the latest scientific evidence linking alcohol-containing mouthwashes to the deadly disease.

Their review, published in the Dental Journal of Australia, concludes there is now "sufficient evidence" that "alcohol-containing mouthwashes contribute to the increased risk of development of oral cancer".

The ethanol in mouthwash is thought to allow cancer-causing substances to permeate the lining of the mouth more easily and cause harm.

Acetaldehyde, a toxic by-product of alcohol that may accumulate in the oral cavity when swished around the mouth, is also believed to be carcinogenic.

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This morning on ABC News Radio the head of the Dental Authority suggested that this News Limited report was alarmist yet interesting.He had spoken to the journalist but there seems to be different understandings of conclusive evidence from these experts.

He did add that you do not need mouthwash if you eat healthy food and clean your teeth properly and also added to see your dental practitioner if you felt you needed to do more.

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-- Oh dear! Does this mean that one should no longer drink alcohol-based beverages?
-- Bibi.. --

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I think it must be the swishing that leads to subsequent death & destruction.

So whatever you put in your oral cavity should not be swished. Sucking, slurping and gulping may be assumed to be risk-free until proven otherwise.

Actually, in certain neighborhoods, any form of swishing can be dangerous.

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