Like 'Em a bit "Tough"/BKK - Pattaya
 

Hey, guys! Back in Thailand after some good fun Manila-style.

Staying in and around Bangkok/Pattaya for awhile, and could use some friendly advice..

Any venue in either place that offers guys a bit more on the "street tough" type? I am kinda over the soft and twink look, and hoping to have some more edgy fun.

All advice more than welcome... and I promise to report back as well.

Thanks, so much!

For the street toughs and AYOR, go to Lumpini Park in the late afternoon (closing time 8pm?), or Rama IV after 10pm, starting from the corner of Silom Road & Rama IV, all the way to Suriwongse Road. Bring them to the short time hotel, never take them home.

Vassa Boys near the main Boyztown strip had some rougher but OK looking guys when I was there in July. I might try one on my next visit.

-- Agreed 100%., that's for sure!
- Try taking a walk-around any of the larger construction sites - you'll see their tall cranes on the skyline.
- I u'stand. that if military types are your thing then after 22.hrs. around WAT PO might be fruitful.
- There's always SANAM LUANG - but that can be very much AYOR. and one needs to keep one's eyes fully OPEN for any groups on the look-out for farangs and others perceived to be softer targets.

After several bad experiences, the Manila scene and contact with Pinoy boys frightens me somewhat.

Would you please share a little detail regarding 'manila-style' fun.

Thanks

Let me second scoops' request - please tell us more about your Manila experiences. I may be heading that way myself in a few months.

As for street toughs, you may well find them in the gogo bars nowadays. The boys are older than ever before, more tattooed than ever before, and some of them look positively criminal to me. Might be what you're looking for :) In Bangkok, try Hotmale, Fresh Beach Boys, Future Boys.

If you're looking for street toughs for massage, try Arena or His - if it's still in operation.

The area between Tn Silom & Tn Suriwong on RamaIV is known amongst my friends as 'Thug Lane'. For most of the evening but getting better later it is one of the places for the sort of guy you are looking for. Just bear in mind that these guys are free lance, not pretty ( a+ for me) and can be dangerous. In earlier times I took a few back to my hotel. Met one lovely fellow who would do all sorts of 'thug fantasy' things. Also had one minor unpleasant experience where a bottle of perfume was nicked. (everything else was locked up!). Don't bring my takeaways 'home' any more and would recommend short time room of which plenty in vicinity.

-- About a couple of months ago I was in the a/m. area to see what had happened to HIS.
- Dark glass windows stopped me from looking inside; so possibly some type of office or similar?
- But ARENA is still in full operation!

I fully agree with sloot, especially in regards to the Bangkok bars. Honestly, most of the guys these days do nothing for me, as this is not my 'type' at all. Some places, luckily, have a bit of a mix but I don't recall ever seeing so many bulky, tattooed, motorbike/taxi driver types working in go-go bars before.

In Pattaya try A-Bomb. Corner Pattaya 2nd Rd and Boystown nr Wild West.

-- A sleaze place, or so I've been told; comparable, shall we say, to BKK's. SUPER A.. Is it really as bad as all that?

Nothing is as bad as Super A ! :)

No, at A-Bomb I only ever stayed for one beer as the boys were "rough," heavily tattoed , aggressively pushy and not the sort a "gentleman" would invite back to his boudoir ! But probably ideal for the original poster for a short time romp!

A-bomb gogo bar, Pattaya
 

A-bomb is nothing like Super A. It only has the interminable stand-on-stage-looking-bored gogo "dancing" so typical of the Pattaya Boyztown bars. No in-bar hands-on action at all.

A-bomb however has differentiated itself as the one Pattaya Bar that has the bigger boys, i.e. generally above 1.7 metres tall, generally over 65 kg. Typically, they would be 1.75m and maybe 70-75 kg. A few of the usual 20 in attendance per night are muscular, though not to the Tawan degree, but most are in one of two categories: (a) mixed muscle and rounding fat, giving a stout look; (b) large frame, but not enough meat on it, giving a slightly undernourished big-boned look. They are all very straight-looking, but not rough (based on the offs that I have had).

Tattoos aplenty - the one thing that mars an otherwise desirable collection, to those like me who prefer bigger, more muscular boys.

A bomb
 

Biggles, when did you visit? I can't agree at all. :

- It's not full of "...'rough', heavily tattoed .... ". Most of their boys are more masculine but "rough" is not fair, many bars have boys who have tattoos (and please let's not be judgmental about tattoos in Thailand, often to do with religious beliefs, warding off of evil spirits, etc.), and this changes by the day in all bars as working boys come and go.

- It's no more pushy than any other of the bars. The captains will usually ask if you would to talk to one of the boys etc., but 'pushy', not fair

- " ...not the sort a "gentleman" would invite back to his boudoir! ...." What the hell does that mean?

To be frank I've taken many young men from this venue. I like masculine but quiet & polite young men and for me that would describe a good percentage of the working boys them seem to employ. And of course the 'profile' of their boys changes by the day as in every bar.

Two young men i've met there have become close friends, one of them, very masculine, polite (works daytime in one of the hypermarkets) brings other young men around regularly for 'fun', they are boys who have never worked in or visited gay bars (and they don't know where 'Mr X' and I first met). I do know that he meets most of his 'playmates' at Dude club. They are all masculine, quiet, respectfull, polite, horny and looking for some 'fun', some have religious tattoos.

Oh dear. I seem to have stuck a raw nerve with my (implied) criticism of the boys at A-Bomb :(

Ok, it was a few months ago that I ventured in, and trust me, the night I went I found the guys bigger, rougher and more pushy than the norm in Pattaya. I simply wanted to suggest to the poster that he was more likely to find what he was looking for in A-Bomb than the most of the polite twinky bars elsewhere in Pattaya.

If you have a better suggestion.. feel free.. otherwise please dont be so precious :)

.... anyway, I'll go back next month for a 2nd look and will be very happy to eat my original comments if I can find a suitable companion !

I seem to recall Biggles saying something about the boys in Vassa being a little more on the rough hewn, farm boy side, a long time ago, which piqued my interest.

But then there were some more recent comments that Vassa had very young twinkier types, which threw cold water on my interest.

Now Aussie_guy seems to suggest they've returned to the rougher (presumably older) guys.

Anyone else have a confirming or contradictory view of what category some/most of the guys fit into at Vassa?

Incidentally, Krazy Dragon is (unfortunately in my view) employing a broader range of types now, but they still have a number of the tougher types that someone referred to as being like tuk-tuk drivers in an apparent attempt to denigrate tuk-tuk drivers and Krazy Dragon in one swish.

Krazy Dragon - The No.1 Gay Bar in Pattaya

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-- Today, (O7th.), I went to the blg. on Thn. Charoen Krung in CHINATOWN that housed the well-known GSM. SAUNA.
- Plenty of the hunkier & tougher looking men at work therin; one of whom, younger, slim body & with a nascent 'tache., shewed me to the gate and opened it for me as I went-out, which elicited a "Kap Khun Krap." from me and a smile from him in reply.

Kaojai,

I've sat in Vassa once (not more than 15 minutes) and looked in a couple of times more. For what it's worth, my impression is that Vassa has no "type". In other words, despite having fewer than 10 boys, these ten tended to be highly variable, from fresh-looking twinks to motorcy drivers seeking career change.

What I intuit is that the mamasan is trying not to confine herself to any type for the bar, hoping to satisfy as many customers a possible (but given the tiny total number, probably satisfying none).

My guess is that the tiny total makes the bar highly vulnerable to fluctuations. If it has, for example, only two small twinks in its stable, and on one night, one is off'd while the other does not show up for work, then a customer of that night might say "This bar has no twinks!".

And vice versa. If both its leathery roughnecks have to go back to the village to help with rice planting, another customer will report "This bar has only twinks and muscle marys, where are the street thugs or sinewy farm hands that I like?"

Of course, I am only speculating. It may also be that there have been periodic changes in mamasans, each of whom has her own idea of "marketable type".

Please do poke your nose into the joint and see for yourself. Hope to hear your report.

My Lord & Master is in residence for at least a couple of weeks so "poking my nose into joints" will have to wait until he departs for bucolic pursuits to the north.

I have to admit that geography and other factors cause me to prefer Sunnee, but I guess a little exploring is sometimes rewarding. Might even pass through Wild West Boys which I've heard is on the block because of poor cash flow issues.

In the meantime maybe some other intrepid reporters can give both places a "look-see" and post their observations.

Each time I've been to Bangkok (I don't live there), I've cruised on Rama IV between Silom and Suriwong--and, first of all, there are very few hustlers, and second, I don't see anything "tough" or "rough" about them. Also, it seems like the same ones over and over. I found it pathetic. I've only picked up two guys in that area. Also, I could tell that most guys there are scammers (you won't get any money's worth). I did get a really hot Southern Thai guy there around January 1--but he didn't do much. I had to ask him to do things--eventually he kissed me and I jacked off.

I tried some of the so called "rough trade" from Rama IV on my last visit to Bangkok in July. 500 baht was the rate plus taxi fare was requested. The guy needed a very long shower before we started and did the minumum required to earn his fee. Better to spend some extra baht and off a boy from Solid Bar or similar, guys are cleaner and better looking in my opinion.

I want to try an army guy from near the Grand Palace, maybe the quality of guy and performance may be better there from the street trade. A waiter I know from Bangkok has just finished his Thai army duty and apparently he had so much sex in the barracks that he needs a rest back at work.:D

I noticed two guys circulating in that area starting on my December 2008 trip, and then my July 2009 trip. One guy was pretty good the first time, but then second time he was a total fizzle. The other guy is a young slender twink -- I mean this guy is out ALL the time circulating in that area. I went with him one time December 2008--and he was total passive (I had to initiate everything). I felt like ordering him to get out now. I believe he's a drug addict (although he doesn't look like it) because I perceived needle marks on his ass buns. We did very little.

Yes I found 500 baht was the rate the first time. But last trip, everyone was adamant about 700 baht. I passed each time--mainly because I felt it would be a total waste anyway.

Just how do you think you're going to meet an army guy near the Grand Palace? Like you just walk around that area, and you'll be able to pick up one? I sort of doubt it's that easy (but maybe--ha ha).

I've never offed a boy from a bar or anywhere else. I always thought it would end up being an expensive waste of money. Where is Solid Bar? How do you know if the guy will be good?

Follow this link about picking up army guys

GAY THAILAND FORUMS - GAY ASIAN FORUMS • View topic - Cruising Grand Palace area Part2

Quote from the link by Jock "Another area near the Grand Palace. Opposite the Palace is Army H.Q. sometimes called the Ministry of Defence. Directly behind this building is a road running alongside a small canal. On each side of the canal on the footpath you will find soldiers some in half uniform just standing around. These guys are looking to go with someone but don't speak English. The action starts anytime after 8.30pm. They all know short time hotels but call them 'hot looms'. I said it that way and always got the same okay answer. They are not into doing everything but you can work it out quite easily. Best nights are Friday and Saturday after the 1st of each month which is pay day for the military. What you give the guy is up to you but 1000baht seems to be very popular as you are a farang and is double what they get from a Thai man."

Solid Bar - Enter Silom Soi 6 from Silom Rd, walk past the first left turn, there will then be a left and right turn past some massage places and then turn left at the corner before Tawan Bar. Solid Bar is on the left hand side amidst other bars of dubious reputation like Super A and Nature Boy on the right hand side. Put your money in your socks if you go to Nature Boy, It's a place where you will be serviced at your table by a few boys and I heard reports that sometimes your wallet may be emptied in the process while you are otherwise engaged.

www.spicemag.net/bangkok.pdf

I found the manager at Solid to be an OK guy and the boys are friendly and have always performed to a satisfactory level. They have various types, mainly twinks but I did take home an older more muscle bound guy on my last trip who could really do everything. 1000 baht is the expected tip and worth it most times. They also have rooms upstairs which are reasonably clean.

You don't know if the guy will be "any good" anywhere but after some experience at visiting bars and massage places you do seem to get a gaydar for the better performers. :D

Quote from Kaojai about the Vassa Bar in Pattaya "Now Aussie_guy seems to suggest they've returned to the rougher (presumably older) guys"

The Vassa Bar boys looked about 20 to 25 yo, I will check the bar again later in September and report back.