QUOTE from ICON: "....Third, Thai pedophiles are much, much smarter and more discrete than their foreign counterparts. They would not be seen dead anywhere near a bar full of kids in their underwear, (much less take one out of one), and generally blend into the scenery much better. ...."

Agree, my understanding is that there are numerous local 'processes' whereby locals can easily acquire the youngsters they want, and in many locations, and the cost is extremely small compared.

There's another angle. I've mentioned before my Thai friend who published a Thai gay magazine. He's mentioned many times the annoyance to Thai gay men in regard to the cost of the 'mainstream' gay venues (Patpong, Pattaya, Phuket, CM, etc.) He says local Thais believe that the farang factor has pushed costs (drinks, off fees, tip expectations) way way beyond the means of the average local gay.

Perhaps 10 years ago he took me to a small shopfront in the depths of Suttisan, not on the main raod, down several sois of slums, no fairy lights outside, no signs, nothing to advertise what the place was. Inside there were perhaps 20 boys, all fully dressed, I guess half over 18, half under 18 and some probably only 12 years old.

We didn't stay long because I was uneasy about the whole thing and because he was asked quickly and bluntly by one then several Thai customers why he had brought a farang.

He also mentioned that there were many places where very underage street kids were 'living', and these places were freqented by locals looking for kids.

Further, perhaps 12 or 14 years ago there was several go-go venues on Phayonyothin road, just past the big Thai farmers Bank tower, mostly frequented by Thai customers. Amonst these (down one of the sois) was a place called Paradise (closed maybe 10 years ago, when I understand the sleazy Thai owner died from Aids). Street level - of age go-go boys. Upstairs a troop of very underage boys, all nude, who the owner continuously fawned over, fondled, kissed, etc. I went to this venue (down stairs) several times then one evening the owner said "come upstairs", which I did with a farang friend. There were perhaps 10 other customers, all Thai and some customers quite young (perhaps mid 20's). We fled very quickly and never returned.

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