Re your first comment about bars, the problem is that your logic does not tie in with Thai logic. Don't ask me what Thai logic is, though, because I don't know - and I think that goes for most farang.

Re your second comment, I do think you are patrolling completely the wrong area. Guys in that area are generally there to meet up with friends going on to the discos or occasionally bars. They know that most farang are bar hopping etc. and so I doubt if they'd expect much custom.

As for 500 Baht pick-ups, that area is also wrong as farang visiting it are perceived to be wealthy.

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There are definitely hustlers on Rama 4 between Suriwong and Silom--but a lot of them are the same ones, and I think a lot of them won't give satisfactory sex, either. But I've gone with some.

As for Thai logic, I always wondered why a Thai will sit in a taxi in a traffic jam when he can simply get out and walk the remaining 500 feet in a few minutes. But, oh, no, they absolutely won't get out and walk, and the taxi drivers also think this is very odd (if I'm almost at my hotel but just want to hop out early). So maybe Thai don't care at all about spending night after night on stage without getting offed, when they can easily connect somewhere else.

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-- Y'day., (27th.), evening and walking from THE BALCONY BAR to NATURE BOY along Rama IV. rd., (agreed: but one time & one place.), I saw only two boyz wishing to make themselves known to me, neither of whom had I seen there before.
- But previously there had been a slight rain-shower wch. might have driven-away some of them?

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-- Y'day., (27th.), evening I went-to NATURE BOY on Soi Naras Thiwat 1., (aka. Soi Anuman.),;
- ETA.: approx. 23.oo.hrs.;
- Only half-a-dozen boyz on parade, incl. the one with a large tattoo all the way across his chest;
- Drinks at 150.Bh.;
- Straight away I was joined by boi #12., same one as on my previous visit,(qv.);
- Without any hesitation he played with himself for a few moments and as soon as erect he stood-up, dropped his briefs and invited me to smoke him; just 'Make me an offer ... .';
- During the hr. or so that I was there I was the only customer;
- This time was bill was correctly charged for the two drinks that only the boi & I consumed.

-- With Municipal Elections this sunday officially it will be a dry week-end:

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saw a dream boys show last week. there was nothing unusual/special about the show. same acts (fucking show, fluorescent light show, etc).
again, most guys were on a shorter, younger side. the vast majority have never been to the gym. maybe 5 or 6 were fit.
the waiter/mamasan told me that the guys expect a 2000 baht for sex. WOW
drinks at 300 baht (an equivalent to one good lunch)

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I've never understood the idea of going to a gym in order to become "fit" or "in shape." The gym industry is one of the biggest scams going. Frankly, I love the natural "in-shape" physique of most young upcountry Thai guys. Naturally defined and trim without having that obvious over-bulked spent-too-much-time-in-the-gym look that has become so pervasive in some places. I realize there are some of us who certainly do like the muscled look, but I just don't think that defines being fit.

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agree. everyone has his own definition of what constitutes a 'fit body'. for me, 'fit' means 'gymfit', although on a few occasions i've met guys who never touched a gym equipment and were muscular (and they weren't construction workers either).

loads of slim bodies in thailand and beyond. with such an oversupply, there's no need to pay for slim, short boys. u can get them virtually everywhere for free.

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"Fit" for me means "healthy".

Most of the muscle guys I meet are on far too many drugs to be considered "healthy".

Just give a natural, free-range boy and I'm happy.

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What's this thread all about??

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i heard that future boys has closed down. what bar has replace future's former location?

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-- Quite correct.
- No bar has replaced FUTURE BOYS - it's long time dead and gone, the premis is vacant - but might possily be an unofficial drop-in for some drop-outs?

-- Not only in my opinion is most of Soi Twilight nigh on played-out; possibly only BOYS BKK. is making anything near to an half-decent effort to put-on shows that appeal to visitors?
- Go to -
> :: Trevvy / SGBOY :: Lifestyle. Community. Me. (Gay Singapore Malaysia Hong Kong Thailand Australia) <
>> SGBOYX > Lifestyle zone > Travellers' lodge > BKK. now - for wch. there's neither need to register or to log-on for reading only.

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I second Sextile's opinion: Dream Boy and Boys Bangkok (they are related bars) are the only ones drawing good crowds - at least in the second half of September. However, this has been attributed to holidays in China, Korea, Hong Kong and Japan. Whether or not the traffic will continue to be as good through the high season, starting this month, is still an open question.

The former Future Boys is still shut tight. However I heard that the lease has been sold for 5 million baht! What my informant was not 100 percent sure about (he merely assumed so) was whether it would reopen as a gogo bar or or another kind of business, or when. Certainly, no re-construction work was in progress.

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''twas. only this morning
I passed-by old FB.,
And stopping my progress
Fresh works did I see.'.

-- Corr'n. to the OP., wch is several days stale:
- In fact a couple of manual workers, one of whom was using a stapler-gun to affix plyboard shapes on one of the front door's lintels and the other busy doing or undoing some electric wiring.

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-- Y'day., (01st.), evening I walked through Soi T'light., from the Rama IV. rd. end, at around 21.40.hrs.;
- Not all that much in the way of body-tfc. in the soi;
- Three barkers/callers swore that they remembered me from previous visits and besought me to go-in to their a go-go bars; they all sang a similar refrain from the same hymn-sheet: 'No visitors, our bar is empty, please come-in.', an offer that I was able to refuse;
- Both DICK'S. CAFE. & MAXI'S BAR appeared to be fairly full, (DICK'S. attracting the maturer male.), but not so for the two bars at the S'wong. rd. end of the soi;
- There was absolutely no interest in me from any of the masseurs of the four massage parlors - I felt positively mortified:

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Back in Bangkok after a couple of months absence, checked out Dreamboys Thursday night - large team of boys as usual and mostly very hot specimens at that. Has a good show and an especially athletic f..k sequence. Bar was busy and they actually made an announcement about not smoking on the premises and no one did.

Checked out X-Size last night looking for my favourite (number 9), but no longer works there. Despite the same old Star Wars introductory music, bar features an all new show including a fire act which had me planning a quick exit should things go awry. Nice array of boys, with the well hung specimens later seen in sex show but didn't wait to see if there was actually any f..k act. Busy bar.

Then checked out Jupiters which continues to be a twink free zone but has some of the better looking male specimens seen in any Bangkok venue. Recognised a few models from previous visits. All the models are well hung. Pity that most are tops with attitude. Bar was packed (as it always is when I come) with very poor viewing arrangements. No f..k acts and same old tired "tease" show introduced by same old batman theme music. Bar is popular with the ladies.

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