Hey Taoboxer, I think silly thingthongs on old men are quite entertaining. Sitting on the beach is quite boring after all, so looking at the beached whales and wrinkly old leatherbags cruising for sex on Dongtan beach makes the time go faster. Before someone accuses me of being ageist, I am a wrinkly old leatherbag myself, and keep my burqa on when visiting the beach.

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Ageist AND fat-ist.

Oh, my!

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That's what was meant, donatella -- sextile was trying to be witty.
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-- 'I feel pretty, oh, so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and gay,
'And I pity any girl who isn't me today.
'... .'.
(West Side Story.),.

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European village square is pushing it.
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The world is changing fast Icon. Careful you are not left behind !

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It's not changing that much.

Have you checked your eyeglass prescription lately?

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I'll come back to the "European Square " potential of Sunnee later, but back to Pattaya - I popped into X Boys tonight to see their show. Still plenty of multi-couple f**king on offer, but this was followed by one of the best live segements I've seen in Thai bars.

5 slim and taught topless punks in skater pants performed an amazing rap dance routine which had the audience cheering as we watched 15 minutes of high energy and beautifully co-ordinated and athletic rap . At the end the hat came around and I think without exception the audience happily tipped in 100 bht notes. Definitely worth watching for both the energy, and the eye candy

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I went to Sunnee last night (18/jan/2011). Alas, the idea of a European town square is bizarre. Maybe it is a way by the owners there to drum up some business. In reality, it just some alleys in a concrete slum, with a lot of very old men and well, dare I say it, boys, mingling. Then the police came, closed of all four exits and started urine checks on the bar boys. All in all it was not fun, not very European, and so we left. I've never seen a town square in Europe that has only old men and young boys walking around.

Sunnee is as decrepit as it has been for many many years.

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Not tense at all. But my eyes work perfectly.
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Glad to hear that. ... and the last time you set eyes on Sunnee / Pattaya was ?

(see comment from Firecat on Sunnee thread - he's absolutely correct.)

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Less than six months ago.

It didn't evoke Tuscany then, and it never will.

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On reflection you are quite right. I've never seen a pick-pocket in Sunnee, I've never been outrageously overcharged in Sunnee, I've never been verbally abused by the serving staff in Sunnee, I've never worried about the personal hygiene of the boys in Sunnee, I've never been ill after eating in Sunnee and I'm always greeted by a smile and a warm invitation to sit, drink and chat.

Let's hope it never will be like a lot of European cities - and let's look at the undoubted positives of living in or visiting the more colourful areas of the land of smiles. Let's count our blessings !

That said - I suggest we move on and re focus on cruising

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I was in Pattaya 2 weekends ago & entered a few bars in Boystown. The shows at Copa & X-Boys(with fu.k show) were well patronised, but the other bars were very quiet. The big bars have less than 20 boys on parade, whereas in the smaller ones less than 10 boys. In the new gay bar on walking street there was only 2 boys dancing on the bar, and coke was only 60baht, & very few customers in the humid & non air-cond room.
In one of the smaller bars in Pattayaland soi 1, a boy's opening bid was 1000baht for him to follow you home,& the off fee 300baht. Drinks(coke) was only 100baht. It was well past midnight when I took one home, & the entire bar was happy as it was their first off for the evening.

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I made last minute plans to arrive this Friday in bangkok and then pattaya. I've been trying to make reservations but haven't heard back from any of them. Is jomtien complex that busy? I've grid tuis too but no response. Maybe I should fly to Phuket instead?
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