I'm tall and slim (especially my limbs) and I have a lot of difficulty connecting in Babylon, and am amazed to see how the Thai IMMEDIATELY go in with very-average-looking older farangs. I think that being tall and slim is a handicap. But it seems that you can be MEDIUM height and slim, and that's okay (age and silver hair help a lot). I've seen young hot farangs who were slim and appeared to have trouble connecting. I've also noticed different results depending on which of my two pairs of eyeglasses I wear (this applies to all my cruising in Bangkok)--even though the glasses are almost the same. I've noticed that wearing a bathing suit or underwear is bad--it must be a towel. The place makes no sense whatsoever--I've often thought it's totally weird, and I still can't figure it out. I usually end up connecting with very slim Thai (which I'm not really attracted to) or short (who are usually very self-conscious about it) or slightly older (like 30) and slightly homely (but who end up being the best kissers and sex). I wonder if my wearing glasses is bad--I won't wear contacts, so maybe I should try walking around in blurriness. I've also noticed that the farangs who come in with no expression on their face, no smile, connect immediately. I think I have too friendly of an appearance--which could be a handicap. (Note: I had great success in that new downstairs area under the metal grates--for some weird unknown reason, I do better there than other farangs who go in there.)

Another thing: I like younger nerdy types with glasses, but they universally reject me immediately (and usually in the most nasty way). So it appears that younger guys with glasses are turned off by older guys with glasses.

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I'd hesitate to use the word 'fetishist' but it's true that there is a lot of interest in more mature and bigger men, regardles of race.

Don't forget that in Asia, a man of girth has been considered a prosperous one for thousands of years, any fetishistic tendencies aside.

In addition, I think they feel less threatened by men 'with more to offer' - a younger, slimmer farang of any age should have no trouble hooking up and is less likely to be amenable to sob stories about dead buffaloes or sick grandmothers, so he could be competiton of some kind...after all, less attractive farang might be turned on by him.

They don't really understand that most farang who walk into a Thai sauna aren't looking to hook up with another farang, mature or not, no matter how attractive he might be.

Maybe this is just me being cynical, I don't know. I can't really claim to speak for anyone else but me though I am basing my opinions on observation and experience.

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Aficianados of Tom Yam will be upset to learn it's been firmly locked for the last 2 days. My sources tell me this time it was not police activity, but simply a lack of boys. They were apparently down to 2 boys, reflecting what I've been observing on Dong Tan beach - no boys !

Strangley the progressive closing of the more dubious (and probably under age Sunnee bars - Khaos, Sundance, Jimmy James, Euro Boys and now Tom Yam) is being accompanied by higher class beer bars opening, changing Sunnee from paedophile paradise to a more European village square atmosphere which could be quite unique in Thailand.

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European village square is pushing it.
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The world is changing fast Icon. Careful you are not left behind !

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It's not changing that much.

Have you checked your eyeglass prescription lately?

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I'll come back to the "European Square " potential of Sunnee later, but back to Pattaya - I popped into X Boys tonight to see their show. Still plenty of multi-couple f**king on offer, but this was followed by one of the best live segements I've seen in Thai bars.

5 slim and taught topless punks in skater pants performed an amazing rap dance routine which had the audience cheering as we watched 15 minutes of high energy and beautifully co-ordinated and athletic rap . At the end the hat came around and I think without exception the audience happily tipped in 100 bht notes. Definitely worth watching for both the energy, and the eye candy

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I went to Sunnee last night (18/jan/2011). Alas, the idea of a European town square is bizarre. Maybe it is a way by the owners there to drum up some business. In reality, it just some alleys in a concrete slum, with a lot of very old men and well, dare I say it, boys, mingling. Then the police came, closed of all four exits and started urine checks on the bar boys. All in all it was not fun, not very European, and so we left. I've never seen a town square in Europe that has only old men and young boys walking around.

Sunnee is as decrepit as it has been for many many years.

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Your profile says you are 65 looking for quick sex and cheating on someone.

So why should you be throwing stones at older men in Sunnee Plaza in the company of young men.

Seem that is exactly who you are and what you are looking for????

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Actually I disagree . There are some smart new bars opening, like the large one in the old Kaos site and several opposite it (old Sundance etc) . On a balmy evening sitting in a wicker chair at an outdoor table with an ice cold Campari and a warm young companion - I could half close my eyes and be in Provence or Tuscany (which are also pretty decrepid in case you hadn't noticed

Sunnee also has a lot less traffic than Europe, the mobile crepes stalls, mango & sticky rice stalls and lots of beautiful smiles. Where's the romance, the vision, the charm ? (I'm a glass half full man - you sir are clearly in the glass half empty group.)

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My question to you would be: what is your glass half full of? Ether?

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Nice photo - (including the wicker chairs). Looks better at night tho'

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You're still on some major drugs, buddy.

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Oh no, I am an optimist by nature.

"mobile crepes stalls". That should probably read "mobile creep stalls"? Actually I went back yesterday and it was quite busy. But not a Euro town square I have ever seen. Sunnee is sleazy and slutty, and full of weird and wonderful sights. There's nothing wrong with that. It is the reason I go there. It's a circus of the bizarre and a few cute boys.

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Yes but unfortunatley only half as sleezey and slutty as it used to be! Unless some-one breathes some life into it, it will become just a decrepit couple of ally ways.

I think there are now too many beer bars, but this is the sort of place that could so easily become trendy if a couple of half decent restaurants opened. Anyway I shall still enjoy my nightly Campari and hope the wierd and wonderful sights may long continue. (Icon - suggest you take a chill pill - you really are far too tense these days

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