About 10 years ago I visited a "boy club" in Amsterdam. Even then I paid about Euro 200 for an East German twink who spoke no English & was half hearted at sex. The venue was far less clean than most thai places and there were no shower facilites. Now THAT was a rip off!

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Hmm, it's not a holiday destination for me. I've lived here for the last decade or two. Oh, and I edited my post. It no longer mentions he whose name shall not be mentioned.

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Not to worry, I always use a VPN.

Anyways, the only point I wanted to make was that I feel Thailand is no longer very good value for money, all in all.

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Time to move, I'd say -- if you can find a place that's better. And if you do, I'd certainly like to know where it is. (I already know that the Netherlands is a very poor value).
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If I weren't tied down to living in the USA, I think I'd seriously consider Buenos Aires. Beautiful men, legal prostitution, great food, and affordable with US dollars.

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Granted, prices went up (there's inflation) and most Western currencies went down against the Baht.

But having a Western salary, Thailand is over all still much better value than Western countries. Sure, you'll find exceptions like wine and cars, but all things considered I'm spending much less than I would spend in Europe, and enjoy amenities (like a swimming pool and a gym at my condo building) that aren't all that common in Europe yet.

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Sounds interesting, how are these Argentinian guys compared to our beloved Thai guys, besides their beauty?

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Why is it if you don't like something about a place there are always some voices calling for you to "move if you don't like it". Is one only allowed to say hallelujah about a place?

Anyway, I have looked at other places. They were all worse than Bangkok, so far.

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the answer would be daft obvious for someone who claims to be living in this great city for 20 yrs (I only visit for half the year-for 21/22 years now):
1.go out of that HiSo upperclass condo ghetto. There are dozens of listing-sites for gaymassage, wher you can get the full works for a grand (as the US say- a grey note), the fee and requiered tip included. And hey-you even say to offer GR-lads half of that more. Thats suburban BKK.
2.if you fancy Asians-and who does not on this site? the cheap alt. is just a cheapo AirAsia flight away. Vnam, and INDOnesia offer it for a lot less. And in Indo many even have a grasp of the old occupiers lingo, Dutch.
Once again there is that story of the plice of a prate of fly-lice: you can get it for 30 bt (sometimes even 25-then you be sure its below stdd) or 130 or 330-what U get on the prate is mostly the same, but the surroundings are fancier. Or they may even have a raykarn aharn (menu) in the phaasaa angkrit or maybe even an odd waiter speaks a word or 2 of it. Its that added service that inflates the bill. Same-same with any other service in LOS here. the same Thai-style nouat (normal massage) also ranges between 100 (or even lower)/hr in suburban Thai places to well over 500 in fancy tourist oriented and hi-so trendy 5*** HTLs. But what you get for it (if you close your eyes) is very much the same.
BTW-the min daily wage for BKK is now 217 bt. Khun Abhisit has a promise in his parties election manifesto to raise it to 270 bt.
And for the bargain hunters, not afraid to venture out into suburbia (you may even try to get there on a free red bus) or pass on tips and gratefully receive tips from others about the tried and tested, there is no equivalent to this site.

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- My Address Book mentions but three hotels, but possibly other visitors could flesh-out my omissions.

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Traveled once to BA several years ago for a short visit. Stayed at a major hotel but had no problem bringing back a friend. Visited three cinemas showing mixed films and a few video arcades that reminded me of Times Square area. Did not go to any saunas. The men can be quite beautiful and some speak some english. Never felt unsafe walking about but it was the only city that I have ever been a pickpocket victim (executed very professionally on a crowded Metro train). I would return.

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Love BA, great guys there. But not even close to Thailand in any way.
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