You are exactly right Icon. Also I might add, it's a whole lot more fun at these places if you take a Thai friend, so lurking time is less or eliminated altogether. Steam groping is good clean fun, but accept a brushoff with a smile.

I was at COA last week, the night of the Chakran show and found some pleasant, slim and friendly young Thais. The staff were good and two particularly, in prison-type(lateral rings) T shirts were sitting on the 5th floor stairway handing out condoms and gropes..one has really hard stomach muscles. I took a friend, but was bothered by a middle-aged, fat, semi-drunk guy who kept following me and wouldn't go away. But it's great for a break when down that way.