Posted by Penis:
"I have zero attraction nor sympathy towards black people and make no apologies for the way I feel. Many gay or bi-sexual white males reject your concept that we are victimized, persecuted, oppressed and discriminated against!"

Many gay or bi-sexual White males are NOT discriminated against in the manner that non-White males -- Gay or Straight -- are in America. Obviously, that makes it easier for them to reject concepts of victimization, persecution, oppression, or discrimination that probably never enter their world. White Gay men are often not subject to the same level of discrimination nor do many of them experience it to the same extent that non-White Gay men OR WOMEN suffer it in America. Your dismissal of Black people validates my my point about arrogance and cultural insensitivity. Your comments make it clear that you see no reason to understand or feel compassion for those who are not White.

Posted by Penis:
"Black people must learn to accept the fact that at certain places they just are not welcome!"

This comment says it all. No need to respond to it.

Posted by Penis:
"I can repudiate every one of your arguments based on logic, reason and data from reliable sources. Name calling and personal attacks are diversion tactics used when you are unable to properly defend your arguments!! I don't and have never belonged to any white supremacist organizations. I am sick of political correctness and my real hatred: socialism!"

Socialism was never mentioned by me. I broght up the differences in cultural experiences in America. That makes me a Socialist in your eyes? Where is this name calling and these diversionary tactics that you speak about, Penis? Take a look at your own comments. I don't even need to spell things out. You have done a beautiful job of exposing your own tendency to insult others who are not White while also making accusations that apply more to yourself than others.

Posted by Sun:
"Every time I read one of Jake2001's thinly disguised Neo-Marxist renderings, I hear a faint tune in the background that sounds vaguely familiar like the Internationale of a bygone era."

Here we go again with the Commie/Pinko name calling. Your accusing ME of reminding you of a bygone era, Sun? LOL! Your Red baiting Neo-Conservative stance went out with Joe McCarthy in the 1950's. LOL!

Posted by Sun:
"We Gay Capitalists (read: Conservatives) eschew Leftist dogma that proclaims 'revolution' in the pursuit of gay rights. What we are about is equal rights for gays -- not special 'gay' rights or a special class distinction. Our principled position remains unchanged; we seek equal rights for gays because it is a moral entitlement and imperative. We continue to seek equality before the law, maximum freedom of association, and the social disapproval of discrimination. Discrimination against people simply because of their sexual orientation exists and is wrong. But, it is not the role of law to correct every wrong. Law is not, and has not been, the panacea to sex and racial discrimination and will not be for sexual orientation. We must have rights equal to straights. We are entitled to nothing less--but also nothing more."

Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Sun, you talk in such strategically political circles without ever saying anything or making a firm stand that it is beyond laughable. Let's get this straight, Bud. You want rights equal to straights. But, you don't want "special rights" or a "special class distinction?"

Sun, I have never heard such HORSE SHIT in my life. You consistently parade Gays about as if they are just like Straight people -- except for the fact that some like to fuck each other up the ass and get bashed for looking queer, etc.! You don't see how assanine your stance is regarding Gays and "normal" standards as dictated by White heterosexual men in America?

Let me point something out to you. The reason Gays get bashed, killed, entrapped, discriminated against, etc. is because they are obviously seen as a threat because of their DIFFERENCE. Ignoring this and trying to "blend" won't change the hatred that breeds homophobia.

You are a sell-out, Sun. The fear inherent in your "conservative" agenda disgusts me. But, it explains your dismissal of those (like me) who continue to rock the boat. We bring Gays like you unwanted attention. How you must hate us. Yet, I also suspect that you somehow envy us as well, Sun. We have something that you and your "conservative" buds lack. We are not afraid to admit to being different. We have the courage to celebrate our cultural difference and embrace our diversity. This goes against everything that you promote in your wishy-washy posts that glorify blending and conformity.

God forbid anyone should see you as a bona fide HOMOSEXUAL.

You're a lightweight, Sun. You belong outside of the ring with the other "viewers" and non-contenders. The rest of us are not afraid to stay IN the ring as heavy-weight contenders.

[This message has been edited by Jake2001 (edited April 06, 2001).]