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Sex Wizard: First off, if you want people to take you seriously, then don't make personal attacks on someone who disagrees with your ideas. Calling me "self-centered" is not going to get you anywhere except a label as someone too insecure to have his ideas questioned and challenged. Since I live in the US and the vast majority of people posting here live in the US -- just check their profile information -- it's not unreasonable to point out that your system won't have a chance to even be considered in this country.
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Although it came out as a personal attack, I feel that you are using unclear evidence against my proposal. We are not even sure if my proposal would violate any laws that you are talking about. For instance, can you in the US go to a clinic and ask for a certificate with all you STD test results? I know you can in my local clinic. As I said earlier, the system I propose is an electronic version of the certificate in har-copy. Currently, if I were HIV+, infected with gonorrhea, have had 2 episodes of syphilis, I wouldn't ask for suck certificate. Similarly, in my electronic version, someone who had this STD status would not be forced to be in the database that is used by the system I'm proposing.
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Secondly, if people who become positive get kicked out of the program and therefore their records become inaccessible to third parties, what exactly would be the point of your system? Aren't you proposing it so that people can learn whether someone they want to have sex with is positive or negative?
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This has been already been partially answered. Again, think of my system as a replacement of the certificate. If I meet a guy on the chatline and check his STD status using my proposed phone system, I'm back to square one. It's my choice to go ahead and have sex with him. However, if I do so I must report that I have had sex with a man outside the network. This is what the periodic interview would be for.
Or, I can choose to say: "Sorry man. I only fool around with guys who are in this program." That way a man has a greater guarantee that the men he has sex with tests negative to all STDs and does it regularly.
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The potential partner only knows the person is not in the database. Does such a system really help the gay community, even if all the other potential for abuse and misuse never comes true?
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Gay community? Why bring gay community into a discussion that has nothing to do with it. I'm discussing a system to help men choose sexual partners that they can trust because they know (1) that they are testing regularly, (2) that they are receiving emotional support if they need it. Furthermore, there is no reason for this system not to be open to women, as I said before. If a woman is looking for a husband she can check for her new partner's STD status and reassure herself that having sex with him would be OK. Remember that in order to check on members of this program, you have a to be a member yourself.
Again EbonyMagic brings up the gay culture into the discussion. Why? Please read my other post on Sexul Orientation. In this thread we don't focus on gay, straight, or bi. We focus on the fact that there are many men who wish they could have a greater guarantee about the safety of their male partners. Many of these men are married men who need to satisfy needs that currently they don't satisfy, or they do so risking becoming infected with STDs (not only HIV!).
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This thread needs to die already....
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I guess is hasn't (-:
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SexWizard, skip the hyperbole and your proposals...answer ONE question:
Why is having unprotected sex (with multiple partners no less) so important to you....until you can answer that question anything else you have to say is pointless
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I think that bigmike answered that question. But I will add that my guess is that most men don't like to suck on rubber or put a rubber on their cocks when they are getting a blow-job. I'm one of these men.
Herne The Hunter wrote some interesting comments:
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The HIV status of the other person is probably the least likely subject (if ever at all) to come up during a chance or anonymous sexual encounter. If you are cruising a hot looking guy at your favorite cruising location, our focus is on the sex both cruisers are seeking out. There is no exchange of names and other personal information before, during, or after the
anonymous sex. It is typical "Wam-Bam-Thank You-Man" sex and we move on to our next
encounter. This scene is played out in the world of the cruiser on a minute-by-minute,
hour-by-hour, day-by-day, and year-by year basis.
Unfortunately, this is the sexual encounter scene for many men out there. The participants are many. That good looking guy who offers his ass to be fucked unprotected (bareback) is a prime candidate for contracting the HIV if he has not already acquired the HIV previously from another chance encounter sometime in the past. The guy who will willingly unbuckle and unzip his trousers at the drop of a hat, without so much as thinking about protection for himself or his partner, is a prime candidate for contracting the HIV.
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I disagree with the notion cruising is bad. There are reasons why men like cruising and anonymous sex. Most men like to think of anonymous sex as a temporary phase. As if "real" sex can only be achieved in a relationship. However, I do agree that the current situation of the cruiser has gone to an extreme. But my approach is not to censor the needs of men, but to channel them in a way that men can enjoy eroticism and sex in a safer way. With the help of my system, there are possibilities of organizing hot group sessions. A number of men, all members of the system, can get together and do whatever they want without having to worry about STDs. Furthermore, the program could offer special counseling to members of the system who feel the need to participate in safe group action. This could mean, for instance, that a greater monitoring of the interested members. I don't know. There are many options. What's important is not to ignore the needs of men.
Herne The Hunter has a point. It would be better if men had a more stable sexual life, without having to live with an obsession about sex. Some men may disagree. Obsessions are powerful experiences that are sometimes difficult to let go. Why would a man obsessed with impersonal sex, reflect on his inner self, resolve all his emotional turmoil, and never experience the power of anonymous sex?
What I think should be done, is to educate boys about male sexuality. We should talk to them about their cock, erections, cum, and the shame about all of this. If boys knew how to handle and deal with their shame, they would be less likely as adults to spend time in gloryholes, and want to get fucked in the ass bareback. But we need something to help those men who as boys did not get the necessary information and had to adapt in bizarre ways.
TheSexWizard
[ April 22, 2001: Message edited by: TheSexWizard ]