Bkk vs Shenzhen
 

after bkk, i visited Shenzhen, which is a booming border city in China, just next to HK. Been to 3 saunas and what a difference when compared to Bkk!! very few guys are posing. about 95% are there to have fun. connections are extremely easy: guys simply grab each other's dick, no tiring cruising or even a chat. unfortunately, this means that guys u don't like will grab your dick too.
body wise, chinese guys in the sauna range from muscular to slim/skinny. the vast majority in between.

very little (if any) evidence of a sticky-rice phenomenon. guys are genuinely curious about white guys, especially their dicks. if u happen to have a cock larger than usual, i think u'd get lots of attention regardless of your age (although seriously aged guys and those overweight might be ignored by the sauna visitors).

most people, including staff, are extremely friendly, making u feel welcome.

overall, when compared to bkk (a supposed sex capital of asia), shenzhen comes off as a very attractive place for a short visit (there's not much to do beyond a few days).

there's also a hero-like sex massage venue in shenzhen. charges for handjob lower than bkk. fuck is somewhat more expensive.

-- Khun Gweilo,
- Thanks for yr. encouraging report.
- Possibly you would be kind enough to give yr. gentle readers the names & addresses, (dirn's., too, if dificult to find.), of these three saunas?
- Oh yes: for any Final Favors are Condoms provided or does one provide one's own?
- In general what does the avg. Ch. customer prefer to do:Top, Bottom,smoking/being smoked only etc.?
- Thanks in advance! :)

Khun Sxtl
You beat me to the mark.

As this just 'up the road' for me, addresses or web addresses would be great. As a self-appointed connoiseur of BKK steams it would be interesting to compare.

As I have said before in previous posts, the saunas here in HK are throbbin' and pulsin'!! While I am a regular visitor 'over the border' I haven't yet ventured into the Shnzhn steam scene... but forever the adventurer!

-- Khun TST.,
- Khun Gweilo will give us all his usual & unbiased reports, I'm sure.

-- I know that this is long term planning but I'm thinking of fleeing the Kingdom for next year's Songkran Fest'l. - enough is enough: :(
- An American acquaintance, who spends most of his time in RI. and speaks the language, has spoken highly of MEDAN, Sumatra, but looking-at reports via search-engine Google I've become a bit dubious about that place. Hence I'm casting my net wider.

the main sauna is called yang gang, it's located not far from the park called lizhi. exact address found on the net: 2033 Middle Hong Lin Lu 3/F @ Nan Chong Hotel
阳刚桑拿 深圳市福田区 红岭中路2033. the place is extremely busy on weekends and operates 24 hours.

another one is called KK. it's close to kexueguang metro station (exit C; but it's not helpful as the place is hard to find). pix of the sauna, address and the tel number here: KKͬ־ɣÄûáËù >> µç»°£º0755-83651839 it's also 24-hour place

the third one is called XO. address here: http://www.huo888.com/show.asp?nid=213
operates 24 hours

KK and XO attract smaller crowd, but it's easier to connect where guys have lesser choice. facilities are almost identical in all saunas (read: very basic). hygiene level problematic (towels actually stink and look positively grey; so don't smell them). not much to do if u had sex or cannot get it. u could use the pc with the internet (about 2 pcs in each sauna, but always occupied) or watch Chinese tv in a big sleeping room.

very few cubicles for sex (in all venues),but guys don't tend to stay in the rooms for ever (rooms are very basic and rather unwelcoming) so u should have no problems finding a place when the need arises.

condoms provided at the counter. but maybe it's easier to bring your own.

as i said before, chinese guys in shenzhen seem to be largely colour blind when it comes to sex (in fact, all seemed fascinated by my white skin and shaved pubes), but because of it, they are not automatically into any white guys. still, i believe that a big cock could win everyone a few or many fans.

chinese guys seem to be into fucking, rather than just sucking. there are many tops and many bottoms. they are not ashamed of being upfront about their favorite sexual position. simply ask and they will tell u. in most cases, they will ask u.

those speaking english will definitely find u.

-- Khun Gweilo,
- Many thanks for yr. comprehensive & model reports - greatly appreciated and will make many peoples' efforts at finding these places LESS stressful. :)

-- As for XO SAUNA. my Google Translator manged it after a couple of attempts; for those lacking that device here are some salient points, (as translated.) -

1.- Address.: East Gate rd., SHENZEN, Orient Hse., 19fl., Green Tree Inn;
2.- Contact.: XOMen's Sauna Club;
3.- Tel........: 0758-222 3393.;
4.- E-mail ...: > 364661900@qq.com <
5.- Facilities: shower, sauna, fitness, recreational chess, Internet as a break!

-- E&OE., corr'ns. requested.

Chess! Now we're talking!

I know this is all easily researchable, but I assume you had to get a visa to enter China? Did you have to get photos for that? Did you first fly into Hong Kong? Does one simply take a train from Hong Kong? How did you pick a hotel to stay in? Did you consider taking any guys back to your hotel room for overnight? How is the English-speaking ability there? Do you have a lot of problems communicating? The whole thing sounds fascinating! Maybe the best way to get there from U.S. is to fly to Hong Kong.

You said they love fucking and getting fucked. But that is my observation in Bangkok. The Thai guys almost always want to fuck me--and I let them!

I agree. Thai guys are very President Clinton when it comes to sex. Unless there is fucking involved, the Thai guys would say, with hand on heart, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

:p

You do need a visa; you can apply for yourself at the Chinese Embassy in Bangkok, but it is much better to pay a couple hundred baht to a travel agency for them to deal with the crowds and bureaucracy for you.

There are also non-stop flights from Bangkok to Shenzhen on Air Asia.

Thanks. I would probably be going there from U.S.--so it would probably be flying to Hong Kong. I assume that photos are required. It's probably some deal where I'd have to mail my passport to a China consulate in the U.S.

-- It's weird; I can't understand people who seem not to avail of search engine Google, or similar, before asking so many questions.

--Why don't you go to the flg. web-site -
> Chinese Visa, Passport, Notarization & Authentication < ? It is in ENGLISH.
- Now 'Up to you.'!

can you please tell me what is the address and name for this HERO type massage in Shenzhen ?

I want to have hot sex with a Chinese, and then tell him he's one in a billion!

I've not visited saunas in Shenzen, but have had similar experiences with non English speaking mainland Chinese in HK (at Game Boy in Wan Chai - sadly no more!) One approached me in the communal showers, grabbed my dick and pointed at his arse (no translation needed). Another was waiting for me as I exited a toilet cubicle and simply pushed me back inside, dropped his towel and pointed at my mouth and his hard dick ( by now I think I am fluent in Chinese !) Hope to try Shenzen in November :)

here's the website of the hero-like massage place:
Why Not Bodytalk

no idea why they photo-shop the photos of the massage guys. most (not all) are cute or hot in real life and don't need photoshopping.

i don't translate Chinese addresses, because it makes no sense. if u are to find any of these places, u need to have an address in chinese. the best way is to show the address to a taxi driver.

u can apply for a prc visa in the states or in hk (i guess). i've never had problems getting a prc visa in hk. u'd need to wait a few days for it and, yes, u'd need a photo (or 2) to attach with the application form.

pick any 3*up hotel in shenzhen using agoda.com or any other hotel booking service.

no, i never took anyone to my hotel room, mainly because i go to shenzhen just for one night (from hk), and usually don't sleep much during that night.

u can go to shenzhen from hk by train. it takes about 40 minutes and service runs until midnight.

heard horrifying stories about chinese male prostitutes pretending to be 'normal' guys and then in the morning attempting to extort money from 'clients'. it's safer and easier to hook up in the sauna.

those chinese who speak english will insist on speaking english to u even if u happen to speak chinese.

Shenzhen is full of massage parlours and saunas for fun. But prostitution is illegal there. Don't bring anyone back to ur room, anything goes wrong, the police would not be on ur side. Don't forget China is a communist country, the governemnt has the final say.

Just have fun in the saunas or massage parlours, as long as you pay the agreed price, the owners of these places will take care of u as they don't want to be accused of operating a brothel.

A most interesting & welcum development...

I was in HK this past wkd .. haven't been in almost 8 years and went to the saunas there for the 1st time. Both are in the TST area:

Galaxy: $56 HK ... a not so clean, old sauna with a VERY wide mix of guys .. I paid when I got there which is not the usual practice I guess as the front desk guy (later shift) started screaming at me for not paying when I left.

ABC: $130. Pricey but clean and small place. Less than 10 guys when I came but managed to hook up with 2 cute muscle btms :)

-- Further to my a/m. posting: I'm looking-at say *** acc'n. in SHENZHEN on behalf of my Enthusiastic & American Friend & of myself.
- I've availed of Search-engine Google, (entered; SHENZHEN - for gay visitors.), and continued-on for some half-a-dozen pages. Plenty of hotels but few if any worthwhile first hand reports.
- I've looked-at, too,:
> China hotels – Find & book cheap China hotels on China Travel <
> http://www.gayscout.com/queerlife/ <

-- Would any Gentle Reader who has stayed o'night. in any of SHENZHEN's hotels care to give us his own & fist hand rpts. of hotel acc'n. there?
- Thanks in advance. :)

I've been to Shenzhen (on business) and the place has almost no redeeming features whatsoever. It is ugly, crowded, polluted, unfriendly, and has zero history or culture.

I can't really see traveling there for a couple dingy saunas and massage parlors...but I may be in the minority!

Whilst I haven't done the sex venues, I agree with comments re Shenzen city. Hotels would be cheap c/f HK, but language/ communication would be a REAL problem. KL or Singapore are better alternatives to BKK if you need to escape the Songkran mayhem :)

-- Khun Icon & Biggles thank you for yr. replies; as there remains plenty of time before next year's Songkran fest'l. we'll see if any MORE replies will be forthcuming?
- But would tend to think, from having read what you've written, that SHENZHEN might be better for just a day's visit? In wch. case we'll have to look-at the cost of the req'd. visas and so on, and then decide on viability?

I think the main cost (for a day visit) would be the hotels in HK !! The train to Shenzen takes 40 mins and costs next to nothing. When you exit the chinese end of the train station, you are right in the middle of the city which then stretches in either direction clinging to the border. Not sure about visa cost - I have an APEC card so travel throughout Asia Pacific (inc Thailand) visa free :)

-- I wouldn't disagree with yr. assessment of hotel's costs in HK.!
- Having availed of search-engine Google and entered 'APEC Card.' I can well see its advantages for an on-business & frequent traveller.

I dare say that this is a somewhat outdated view of shenzhen. the city's certainly not ugly if one likes modern cities. it has little history. agree. afterall, it didn't exist 30 years ago! lots of moneyed class people from hk now travel to shenzhen on a regular basis (which they didn't do just a few years back). on my recent trip, my companion spotted a second (or third or whatever) wife of one of hk's very prominent businessman.

it makes no sense to visit shenzhen just to go to saunas. but it's a great place for a day or two. food is good (and priced at the same level as food in bkk). shopping is good too. regular massage is cheaper than in bkk.

people are in general friendly and many really want to practice english.

I visited Shenzen with a business associate recently. He went crazy in the shops around the station buying copy I-Pads, phones and watches and announced his proud purchases to our Chinese client. The client looked at my friend as if he was crazy and said "oh no, we go to HK for our shopping - everything here is junk !"

Anyway I now have a copy I-pad, 2 phones and 3 watches I didn't need - but it was fun and they took our money with a big smile :)

I will doing a return trip to HK in Oct/Nov .. can another suggest some other saunas to go to the TST, central areas? Been only to Galaxy and ABC .. Thnx

go to Towel Club in Causewaybay: a higher than usual number of caucasians visiting the place suggests the presence of some potato queens.
in Central, Central Escalator specializes in rice/potato market.

Any relation to the Towel Club in Singapore?

Before share website as if chain now own identities.Management structure unknown.

-- Is KL. all that good? It must be a dozen or MORE yrs. since I visited.

-- I enquire as my elderly & WYSIWYG. American Friend has a middle-aged, Malay & professional friend visiting from KL. right now and staying for several days
- I asked my American friend why so-and-so was visiting when surely there must be plenty of opportunities for cruising, visiting massage-parlors, going to saunas and so? Apparently not so; although there was a suggestion that the Malay g'man. prefers not to take any chances of being recognised on his home-ground - hence his preference for visiting BKK. twice or thrice per annum: preferably places like that well-known cinema in SAPHAN KWAI. ;)

KL is a personal best for me - whether its Blue Boy Bar, local gay sauna or Gay Romeo, I find more cock than I can handle - and it never costs me a cent. Blue Boy is a unique combined bar, disco, H.N. and pick up venue where GWM are swooped on and either escorted to the H.N. for perving or action, or asked to go "some-where private." My personal bests are
- walking in alone , being approached and leaving with a new friend for the night 5 minutes later. (19 y.o. btm not money boy)
- walking in alone chatting up 2 19 & 20 y.o. friends, & taking them, and a 3rd cutie back to my hotel for the most amazing night I can remember,

Moslem boys in particular are horny as hell and always up for the chance to have discrete sex with a visiting farang.

-- Khun Biggles,
- Rather than venture too far OFF-Topic in this thread I've addressed a query to you about KL's. gay/gay-friendly hotels in the general Asia thread and for the favor of yr. att'n. and reply.
-- Thanks in advance. :)

I can't figure out why people go to Thailand when the Malaysians seem better and easier to meet. I have heard this from other people. I'm thinking about quitting my visits to Bangkok and trying Kuala Lampur, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. But Tokyo was a total waste when I checked it out for 2 days. In Asia, I have only been to Thailand, and the one short stayover in Tokyo (I only cruised around Shijuku area and found it impossible to meet anyone). I just think that Thailand is worn out (decades of farangs paying money). Here in the U.S. I have observed that Thai think they're something special (they think all the Americans are ga-ga over them) while Malaysians are more genuine and high-quality (smart, good jobs, etc.). And I heard that Malaysians are all fluent in English.

I agree Japan is difficult. Many gay venues refuse Gai-gin entry (they think we all have HIV or are genetically inferior.) Having said that I used to have success at GB bar and once picked up a Japanese version of Tom Cruise (with a whopper cock) walking around Shin-juku. Osaka is much friendlier, but still not easy.

In Singapore Backstage Bar and Tantric are good for hook ups, as is Raffles City Mall (3rd floor) and Gay Romeo .

when in japan (tokyo/osaka), i seem to be able to get only non-japanese muscled guys. the japanese i can get tend to be average looking. gb has got local potato queens, most of whom are well below average look-wise. arty-farty is better. in any case, there are very few hunky gay japanese. even in the gyms, gays are not muscular.

sg is full of sticky rice. ok place if u're not choosy and don't mind having sex with professional potato queens (those asians who go for the white guys, any white guys).

haven't been to kl for a very long time. but i agree that it's worth revisiting.

-- A SGPean. respondent in > :: Trevvy / SGBOY :: Lifestyle. Community. Me. (Gay Singapore Malaysia Hong Kong Thailand Australia) <* visited SHENZHEN and reported favorably on the DAYS INN in wch. he stayed; he booked it through > Hotels.com - Hotel rooms with reviews. Discounts and Deals on 85,000 hotels worldwide <

--* > :: Trevvy / SGBOY :: Lifestyle. Community. Me. (Gay Singapore Malaysia Hong Kong Thailand Australia) <
> SGBOYX >> Forums >>> Lifestyle Zone >>>>Travellers Lodge >>>>> SHENZHEN ... .

-- Usual disclaimers, of course. --

-- It must be pure serendipidity but this week's freebie mag. BKMagazine.*, #356., has a two pages' article about SCHENZHEN; the article is directed specifically at Eating & at Arts & Design, (another name for shopping.),.
- Essentials:
1. - Getting there: AirAsia has dly. flts. thither, fares starting at 1,950.oo.Bh. one way, (no mention if nett or ++.);
2. - Exchange rate: RMB.01.= THB.4.60..;
3. - web-site: >Air Asia <

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