Ok, honestly, this board explains why America is getting screwed over. I try not to judge people, but the stupidity level on this board is staggering. Some rants:

1) WTF is with it with the people on this board saying its all the Muslims fault?
Can you say racist? As a Jew, this kind of rhetoric is kinda familiar, just now its directed towards another religious group. Anyone who says its all the Muslim's fault, is frankly, without a doubt, one of the most ignorant human beings ever.

2) Bush is an idiot. I'm not saying he doesnt have smart people in his administration (think Colin Powell) who help him guide the country, or saying republicans are all idiots, but honestly, most if not all of my republican friends and family admit that Bush himself is probably one of the most ignorant and idiotic presidents we've had. This admission is only usually plied out of them in private. The republicans who dont admit this are just in denial.

3) Bush's administration manipulated the war intelligence, and lied about WMD's. Think Wilson-CIA leak, and recent charges against high Bush administration officials. Also, its been proven that Cheney pressured the CIA. And yes, I believe that purposely ignoring intelligence officials who said that its highly unlikely that Iraq had WMD's, and ignoring Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), who said repeatedly they have no evidence showing WMD's in Iraq (which lead to the US trying to oust him as director, which failed. Thats hilarious) is lying to the American public.

4) The war in Iraq, which Bush has lied about repeatedly, has increased terrorism in the world, and hasnt made us safer. Listen to the thouands of intelligent officials who said this before and after the war started.

5) In clinton we had a giant surplus, and stopped deficit spending. Which the Republicans supported and bitched about (having a deficit) Haha, now, we have record deficits. So shut the fuck up about our economy please and how Bush is doing such a great job. Listen to Lou Dobbs just once please.

6) I wrote for a conservative newspaper for a few years. Even among my colleagues there, Fox news was an open joke.

7) If one person says You're unpatriotic one more time ill scream. I hate it when people say that when people complain about the war. They bring up that your unpatriotic and your not supporting the troops. First this is censuring our first amendment right. Secondly, This argument is akin to saying your not supporting our workers if their working in a dangerous work environment and your trying to get the plant owners to fix it.
As you can see, this argument makes no sense.

8) Bush has increased religion in government and by doing so has violated the seperation of church and state. He has done this by allowing religious organizations federal money when they refuse to stop discriminating based on religion (who they hire) or refuse to offer a secular alternative to their services.

I hate it when people argue this country was founded as a christian country. The idiots need to wake up.

A ton of the founding fathers were in fact Deists. not atheists or christian. Read this

http://www.deism.org/foundingfathers.htm

It is now more favored than not by historians that in Washingtons' later life he practiced Deistic beliefs. Jefferson, among the other founding fathers, were Deists (Think Paine)

There are a lot of other things I can say, but I have so much stuff I need to do, I'll stop here. People need to wake up or do their homework. And yes, I have done my homework since about half of my family are heavy-duty influential republican backers, and whenever we see each other, political arguments fly between me and the rest of them. Whoever isnt on the ball gets destroyed. I can safely say I piss them off on a regular basis. Thank god for a near-photographic memory. Also, im not a "flaming liberal" not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm more conservative on fiscal matters (and by conservative i dont mean I back Bush's policy. Traditionally, Conservatives used to believe AGAINST having a deficit. Not this new crap that Bush is spouting. The old-style republicans are seething over this) and I'm liberal on social matters, and by this I mean I think that the conservatives on social matters have become busy-bodies and should back the hell off. My policy is that as long as your not interfering in my life, you can do whatever the hell you want. This includes abortions (its a womans body, not mine), gay marriage (im bi, and probably going to marry a woman, but i dont care who marries who), etc.

My rant is over.

I say Amen to all that you have said. I am no longer a proud American. I would prefer to move to Spain. and who wants to marry me there?

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Your govenment lies to you openly and spins what truth there is into something else. M3 money is not longer being reported by the Federal Reserve as asian nations start to buy oil from the middle east in Euros. Possibly crashing the Dollar and taking the U.S. economy with it.

Homeland security is watching you on security camers most places and anything you type on your computer is audited. Talking about Founding Fathers they revolted for a lot less government taxation and intervention than we have today.

I am so unhappy I am planning an exit stratey myself....I don't want to be here when the entire U.S. becomes the bunker mentality that was NOLA after the hurricane.

Off topic I know but cruising pastures must be greener elsewhere.

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balls, balls, balls, lick um up, suck um
up and don't forget about the big guy.

Hey Dennis, please explain to us what is keeping you from going? I'm sure they are counting the minutes till your arrival. You can probably get a discounted ticket out too, this being the holidays!

Just be careful on the trains. They tend to blow up over there.

As for Bush being an idiot, well, I just wish I were half the idiot he is. (Oh, he had a higher GPA at Yale than Kerry, but the Boston Post is reluctant to talk about it) And you are right about the muslims, mikron. Those of us who know better know it was the Swedes all along who are the real terrorists. God damn lying country , that Sweden, putting all those guys onto the planes to blow up the Trade Center in NY, and pretending they had Middle Eastern Names. I hate liars, and I hate Sweden.

Good lord, both of you go suck someone's dick, you'll feel better afterwards.

This thread is back alive.....just like KING KONG.

Bush was a cheerleader in college.....and then a drunken drug abuser afterwards.

Moral is.......coke snorting ex-cheerleaders don't make good presidents.

If Hairylegs hates liars, he must really detest Dubya and ALL the Republicans.
Too bad we have more than 2 more years of the dark ages to deal with. We gotta VOTE these scumbags out of office starting next year!

musclebrains, please explain to all these poor people how Flex can stay open on an "exception" if you know so much? What, pray tell, is the "exception?" That they are paying off city officials? You got a lawsuit, if you can prove that. That they somehow got "grandfather" status and the rules don't apply?

Please explain, give it real good, so I can either laugh my butt off, or I can defend any other club that was shut down for being illegal in and of itself.

This thread's been fun and it's time to move on. I'm locking this thread and will delete any attempts to revive it in another thread.

Thanks,

Bobby

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