This city has dried up. Unless you are a bar fly, gym bunny, church goer or enjoy playing bingo with drag queens...... this is not the place to be.

Cruisy t-rooms have all but disapreared, park cruising and street crusing/parking is gone, once new xxx bookstores have become over USED and scuzzy. How long will these dark ages last???

If you are in Miami or elsewhere and have the choice of moving to Tampa, New Orleans, Atlanta or Birmingham. All those cities MUST be gayer than ATL has become lately.

it's not just the gay scene stud... this whole state is turning into a police state. I just can't believe the things I am seeing...AND EXPERIENCING around here lately. A lot of people say i'm crazy, but I think this whole 9-11/terrorist thing was just a plot by OUR govt to finish destryong the bill of rights & justify turning the country into an orwellian 1984 hell. ALl we can do is keep fighting.

What we see happening here in Atlanta is not unique. It is happening all across the U.S. The Religious Right has and continues to take over. I am dismayed at what is happening in this country. Orwell was right...it just took a little longer to happen. I have a least three friends that are planning their exit strategy now. Two have already bought land in Mexico and Costa Rica...the others are still traveling assessing options.

Taxes, civil fines, gas and utilities will continue to push the middle class further and further into debt till it all collapses in some financial armaggedon. The banks will seize everything and when they fold the govenment will assume their debt and essentially own everything. And with the Religious Right at the top of the food chain I don't want to be gay and be living in this country...it all makes me very sad.

You can still find sex privately via computer, but beware they know everything you say and do on the internet. All of my emails were subpoenied in a civil court case. Earthlink informed me of the subpoeny but they could do nothing. I was told I could hire a lawyer to place a protest to the court but that that would probably not stop it. The court got all my email between my tax attorney and myself... every man I had chatted with...all pictures exchanged etc. Beware Big Brother is watching.

And on a brighter note who wants to trade blowjobs?

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balls, balls, balls, lick um up, suck um
up and don't forget about the big guy.

Well I got out today and actually found some hot cock. Good looking married guy at Morgan Falls Insurrection. Nicely looking married white lawyer looking dude in suite at Insurrection Clarkston.

And even had a pretty good time at the Belvedere.......so maybe all is not lost after all.

Yeah, it's GWB's fault that you can't get laid in a city run by some of the most sleazy, incompetent, corrupt, liberals (oxymoron there) ever. That makes a lot of sense.

i'm in DC (ground zero of NO-SEX CENTRAL), and I can guarantee you that it's worse here than even ATL or Lauderdale (I get to both regularly, and inspite of the crackdowns and setbacks reported here, the AJC and elsewhere, there's still more going on down there than here in DC; with cameras and police everywhere, DC is no better than a 50's bridge party.

Example: Last night (Sun) I went to the DC Eagle for the first time in over three years. Within two minutes of going in, while I was standing by myself nursing a bottled water (don't want the DC police to pick me up for .000000000001 blood alcohol, after all!), the bar owner comes up to me, and asks me to leave -- it turns out my 'attire' was too suggestive: me going commando and sporting SEMIHARD in my khaki military surplus cargos and formfitting black tee ('we don't allow visitors to disturb our patrons socializing' was what the owner slurred to me in drunken English -- too much for the magnolias in vinyl, I guess. I was told 'finish your cocktail and leave' (never mind my 'cocktail' was clearly a bottled water -- it was like that scene in the movie Hairspray where Tracy Turnblad is sent down to the principal's office for her "Hair-Don't" infraction.

Being thrown out of the DC Eagle? a Badge of Honor, which I've now earned twice -- the first time was eight years ago, when a barback caught a Canadian Air Force dude blowing me in the john -- 'LEAVE NOW -- THIS IS A RESPECTABLE ESTABLISHMENT!!!' is what the wagging-fingered barback yelled at us, as we laughed our asses out of there. (The DC Anti-Sex movement goes back years, well back into the Clinton era, btw, for anyone who thinks GWB is to blame -- the most notorious crackdown being the shutting down of the Green Lantern bar, which until it was closed by the preening Big City SafeSex Nannies was the best thing DC had going for hot sex cruise bars)

For the record, I was down in ATL just a couple of weeks ago, hung out and had a great time at the Eagle (my old stomping ground, along with The Cove, Bulldog and Heretic) in even more suggestive bulging garb, and not a problem. Still, the point of this thread is right on -- to my mind it's *both* the prissy bible thumpers riding on the 'homeland security' bandwagon *and* the know-it-all liberal safesexers who are ruining every possiblity of a good time between consenting adults -- a marriage between them made in hell.

I'm finding more and more hot times these days in rural areas, reststops, truckstops and smalltown vidstores (NC is especially good for that, especially the ones near the military bases); the only drawback is that mensroom gloryholes seem to be a thing of the past EVERYWHERE. As far as regions are concerned, Miami and West Palm are benefitting from FTL's Atlanta-like crackdown on sex; for consistently hot times, tho, I have to go West to TX, AZ, Southern Cal, and SF.

I *HAD* been planning to move from DC back to ATL (where I used to live), but I'm having serious second thoughts about that if 'the scene' down there (which truthfully has been gradually going downhill since The Cove closed several years back) keeps getting worse. Phoenix and San Diego are definitely rising on my list of move-to destinations once I get the hell out of DC for good.

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I have to dissagree there Bilo. I have BTDT.....& got the police record instead of the T shirt. I have lived up around Lake LAnier for the last 20 years and have just seen the "party places" turned into police stake outs. The parks around Lanier being a example (out of MANY others) Old AThens Park used to be a great hetro & gay cruising ground and the coves around it were crowded with boats/nudity & sex. SO they closed the park ...and it even got wilder. people would park & walk the trails. (which-thank god- MOST donut piggies are to lazy to do) as of last year the county put up about a dozen "no parking/tow zone" signs... Now that was public property - Fed & state - They can't close it, but they can use questionable tactics to prevent access. Then there is the Lake itself which is now patrolled by 4 counties, Corp of Eng, DNR, GA Parks, etc. you can get busted out minding your own business in a deserted cove - faster than you can cruising CHeshirebridge on a Sat night. ALL of north Ga is like that now.
more people = more taxes. more taxes = more cops. morecops = more busts. more busts provide the statistics that more cops are needed.........more cops = more busts........ just a vicious circle. What I DON"T see in all this is the public outcry for all these new cops/laws/busts. Pigs & politicians are not human, they are a virus. A self perpetuating vermen. I remember what we used to say back in the 70's "don't let the pigs see you having sex.... If they learn how to breed we'll be ass deep in them "

Well in spite of the LONG replies......the guy from D.C. was most interesting....I guess we can conclude that this is not just an ATL thing. Other places are in this DARK AGE also. Maybe it's a reaction to the whole gay marriage debate.

They are trying to push us back into the closet.....but we can't just sit still and let them do it

I'd like to see some safe outdoor cruising park/woods areas......a gay lovers lane where guys could cruise freely without police entrapment.... and a legit, clean theatre (such as the Tara) showing all gay porn. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO WISH FOR DOROTHY????

Sorry, but yes it true Atlant has dried up! May be the reason is that HIV/AIDS has become such an issue. If you get your drugs for the State of GA. they are required to report where you live and what your activities are.

You think you have it rought! Well, I work in the Medical field with HIV patients and those people are tracked like dogs. If you go to a Title 3 clinic in GA. you are required to hand over sexual partners names, ask if you have had any of the following unprotected/protected sex with in the last three months, udate finanical doc. every 6 months. The requirements to report go on forever. Now the sad thing is that if your refuse to give details or don't comply with their rules you may or may not get your drugs.

I hate it for the way these patients are treated but the clinic guidelines are to gather and process and track HIV patients. Not all of us are infected but those that are hunted like dogs.
Like it or not HIV is still a gay illness with no cure.

I moved from Midtown about 12 years ago and it was the best thing I have done. I'm in Gwinnett but its not much better. So, weather you're in Metro or Northeast Ga. it doen't matter. What matters is stay safe don't do public places.

I'km sure there are many reason why the action has dried up in Metro Atlanta. Cops and gov have a lot to do with your going and cumming.

Actually, USMC, the problem with the DC Eagle isn't so much the religious wrong, as it is the bi-polar, schizophrenic mis-manager. I was a fixture there from about 1990 until '95, and was notorious for causing all sorts of mischief...one on one up to group fucks both inside and on the deck. Cops occasionally came in to nab a specific individual they were pursuing, but they never gave anyone any grief (even if their dick wasn't perfectly concealed). If anything, they were polite, even friendly.

Things here (DC) really started going downhill when the (R)s took over the House, and took out that "Contract On America." That's when the wrong-wing began undoing what little semblence of liberty and respect that my generation had spent over 20 years fighting tooth and nail to garner. To compound the problem, it also coincided with a younger generation coming of age who felt they were entitled to party and tweak without any greater responsibility or obligation to the rest of the world ("what? me vote?").

Unfortunately, the sorry state of things these days (in DC or anywhere else) isn't likely to change unless large numbers of the under-35 crowd get off their asses and start voting and influencing the powers that be like the wrong-wingers, they'll find themselves in a world far worse than than anything Orwell could have written about.

Right on, CapitalUncut. This is all highly political. Wonder if all these people complaining are voters. Gjotta get these
people outta congress starting NEXT YEAR.
Please guys, get out and vote and dont vote republican!!!!!!!!

Hey Cap, good to see you on the GA board!! (GA is my second home, btw). I seriously doubt the under-35 crowd will *ever* get off their asses, since civics, personal responsibility, and a genuine understanding and appreciation of the Constitution aren't taught well in the public schools anymore. Instead, it's my belief that as long as coming generations of kids are brainwashed into believing that issues of safety and protection are to be left soley to the government, they will continue to forfeit their Consitutional rights to powergrabbing politicans of both political parties for hte sake of "safety" and "protection of their children". By nature I'm a strong libertarian -- I believe that BOTH the GOP *and* the Dems have caused MAJOR damage to the protection of our Constitutional rights in this Republic, by turning almost every issue into a democratic Majority Rules vote, rather than respecting the rule of law above and beyond what an insistent Majority demands.

As to the House GOP takeover after 1994: Having worked on the Hill for a long time (for both Dems and GOP Members), I can say with complete certainty that *all* politicians guard their turfs very jealously. That includes state reps and state senators, who have *never* appreciated Members of Congress meddling in the affairs of state gov't. Those very same state governments have only recently been trending (slightly) GOP -- the Dems having held the majority of state legislatures and governorships throughout the 90's, when the crackdowns facilitated by state and local police began. Add to that that most city governments are still Dem party strongholds, and I can comfortably say that anti-gay crackdowns have been egged on over the years by city, county and state politicans of *both* parties. They're not answering the call of Congress -- they answering the call of insecure, panicky parents who can't control their kids's web surfing habits, further fueled by the media hype generated by the 6 o'clock news ratings-whores hyping and exaggerating stories of dirty old men lurking in public bathrooms and parks. I refuse to surrender myself to the dictatorship of nervous parents and, as if we're ALL somehow responsible for babysitting their kids 24/7.

I also have little, if any, respect left for party politics and the politicians of both major parties -- out of principle I brand myself a Libertarian, as I refuse to surrender my rights (as much as I can resist it) to either the conservative bible thumpers *or* the liberal big government nannies -- both have done major damage to our Constitutional rights, and the dumbing down of education these days will ensure that little protest will ever likely follow as more and more Americans feel they need to somehow be 'taken care of' and 'protected' by the government.

BTW, it's bitchin' to see I'm not the only Eagle troublemaker! I definitely agree with you regarding the two (or more) wacky worlds that haunt the mind of the Eagle's owner. A truly (and sadly) messed up dude. It's too bad that the city is going through an EXTENDED anti-fun/anti-cruise/anti-bar period -- the DC Eagle *NEEDS* competition; Competition is a GOOD thing, and keeps the bar owners on their toes. As long as that half-baked dude sits (and shits) on the only game in town, the Eagle will continue its slide into the toilet.

AMEN BROTHER, and get ready to be flammed for having the gall to suggest the so called "libberals" are our friend! Nothing could be further from the truth. If ever the gay community had an enemy, it was the Dems. (Don't believe me? Name 1, just 1, piece of gay friendly legislation they have brought to the light of day, locally, at state level, or at Federal level. Just one! The only thing I can think of is Saint Bill's "don't ask, don't tell" That jerk sure felt our pain. How many more guys have been thrown out of the military based on that legislation, than were dumped under the evil reign of Bush I?)

Atlanta is so left wing, radical and corruptly liberal you want to puke. This crack down in Atlanta against the gay community is flat out the responsibility of the Democratic Liberal Left wing. The bible thumpers may be cheering, but its the libs and their saviour Mayor Franklin who is behind the crack down; it is they who control the police, the courts, and the media (which as you probably have chosen to forget, showed faces and humiliated the guys in the January bust at the Belvedere theater.) I think if I hear one more crack against the horrible republicans in their crusade against the noble libs, I will hurl.

Actually, to sum up what I said before, I think *BOTH* major parties have contributed greatly (and about equally) to the current disastrous state of civil liberties.

Forget about the bar crackdowns and gay issues for a minute -- look at the deafening silence coming from BOTH the GOP and the Dems in Congress regarding the absolutely DISGUSTING recent Supreme Court decision regarding Eminent Domain and the MAJOR damage it has caused to our Constitutional property rightrs as citizens under the Second Amendment. The GOP loves the Court ruling because its private developer political contributors and supporters want easy access to cheap land without the hassle and incovenience of holdouts who refuse to sell, notgiving a damn who currently lives there or owns a small business there. The Dems equally love the ruling because once the land is given over to big profit developers, the redevelopment generates MUCHO MUCHO tax dollars filling city treasuries that the local Dem-run city officials see as a Vegas jackpot to spend as candy and goodies in the form of targetted social programs for its city consituents... that is, those who haven't already been run out of the inner city!

In the end, the rights of the little homeowner and small businessman get trampled on by yet another political marriage made in hell between conservatives and liberals, with the end result leaving us all vulnerable to the violation of our Constitutional property rights. And without property rights, we're serfs to a government who can throw us off our land at any time.

Essentially, there's nothing to stop these takings now -- and if you don't believe me (to move this conversation back into a gay focus), just wait till some developers petition the greedy Fulton County commission or City of Atlanta councilmen and women to redevelop the area on Peachtree in Midtown, where there are currently some juicy properties that Bulldog, Backstreet, the Armory and quite a few relatively low taxbase businesses, restaurants and homeowners currently perch on. There won't be any court in the land to stop the property takings -- just ask the gay businesses on O Street, SE here in DC, where the Washington Nationals in cahoots with the Dem DC Mayor and City Council have all but grabbed the land to build the new baseball stadium. And good luck to them finding NEW sites for their businesses in high-rent DC! It's not a political party issue -- it's a greed issue that both parties share equal guilt in.

Well the Supreme Court has been fucked up for some time. Don't forget they were the ones who picked the current president.......
not the voters.

They also voted against medical marijuana for the sick. WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU EXPECT FROM A GROUP OF 80 YEAR OLDS
.........who have probably never smoked a joint in their life.

They can't even decide if displaying the 10 commandments is ok or not.

.....and now, Bush has the chance to fuck up the court even more
.......with probably at least 4 picks.....in the next few years.

I think his legacy will be that he is one of the dumbest and OUT OF THE LOOP presidents ever. His approval rating in 3 more years will be around 10%. I believe Minnie Me could do a better job.