Asians and sex clubs
 

My name is Peter Deep and I am the majority owner of The Zone. I've been following many of the posts on this site. As many of you know, The Zone had a fire in 1998 and recently reopened in Sept. 2000. When we were rebuilding, many of the posts on this board and LOTS of email through our web site said the same thing: don't allow Asians in. (I couldn't help but wonder what any Asians reading the posts were thinking.) Now that we're open, I see people complaining about the presence of Asians at The Zone even now. I have to ask: What makes their presence so offensive to some people?

As a person who is a member of a discriminated minority (I'm gay), I must say I have had a really hard time understanding this. I'm not putting anyone down. The reason I am posting this is to begin a discussion that may further my understanding of this obviously important issue.

Several years ago, I met over lunch with two owners of one of the sex clubs in town. The subject for discussion was whether or not we wanted to honor each club's membership at the other. (This was my suggestion.) The response I was received that yes, that would be fine, as soon as I banned all Asians from the club because their club did not allow Asians. I couldn't do that with a clear conscience, so that was the end of that. When one of the men at the meeting was later voted as "Man of the Year" by the Gay & Lesbian Center, I began to question just how deep this feeling went within the gay community. Obviously this person's views were widely accepted. Still, I couldn't bring myself to ban an entire race. It IS illegal, for one thing. Shortly thereafter, the Vortex opened and they joined the other clubs in the policy that if an Asian came to their door, they were denied entry and promptly redirected to The Zone. Our Asian membership increased for obvious reasons - there was actually a club where Asians could go - and white flight ensued. The other clubs weren't doing us a favor by sending business our way - it was obviously an intent to harm my business, and harm it it did. Which only serves to prove my point. I didn't care to operate my business as a "niche" business, only catering to one race "and their admirers" and it was an uphill battle to regain a desired ethnic mix, where anyone felt comfortable. This eventually happened.

I just read a post by berlinzer (or something like that) who was responding to a post by someone who actually liked The Zone and said that Asian faces didn't bother him. Berlinzer responded that just because he didn't want to have sex with Asians didn't mean he was prejudiced. I don't know this guy and maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but this response seemed rather defensive and it seems this person just doesn't like being in the same room as an Asian. Certainly, when you go to a sex club you are not required to have sex with everyone who's there! Yet, he avoids places where Asians are and feels entirely justified in saying so, and doesn't consider his viewpoint as discrimination at all. (I disagree.) I don't want to single this guy out, but point out that his opinion is shared by a lot of men who frequent sex clubs. Therefore, I have some questions and I would really like some honest answers. As I said, I am trying to understand this.

Do you guys think that sex clubs should bar Asians? Some Asians? Most Asians? What would be the reasons for this?

Do you consider barring Asians from sex clubs as discrimination? Is it justified discrimination? Do you patronize other businesses that you know to discriminate against other races or by sexual orientation? Is it okay for some to discriminate but not others?

Is barring Asians from sex clubs not discrimination at all, but simply a good practice? Because the sex clubs are private membership clubs, do you think they have the right to allow/refuse membership along lines of race, age, or weight, and should exercise that right? Were you even aware that some sex clubs may not be allowing Asian members, or did you think that the absence of Asians was just coincidence - or the Asians' choice? If you knew this to be true (it is), would it make a difference to you as a customer? How so? Would it entice you to patronize that business or prevent you from doing so? Or would it make no difference?

I am really looking forward to a healthy discussion, hopefully not one-sided one way or the other. I AM NOT pointing any fingers anywhere nor placing any fault, nor urging anyone to patronize or not patronize any one place. This ever-present complaint and topic intrigues me.

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You cater to asians?!?!?!?
You just got a new customer.
I happen to really like asian guys, hispanic guys too. Don't forget White guys, and black guys. Gotta LOVE those native American guys! OH HELL, I just LOVE guys!!
Next thing I know, they will be sending away guys over 40!!
Its all about preferences. I have them, you do too. Just respect others and their feelings. Its ok not to be attracted to a certain Type but there is no reason to mean about it.

Dear Peter,

I am glad that you have finally made the effort to enquire from the public what their opinions are on this latent topic.

Firstly, I do agree with many of the sex club goers and you, sex club owners, in limiting asians coming into your clubs. The main reason being that some asians go to sex clubs not to have sex or engage in any sexual activities but for the curiosity and the fun of voyeurism. They normally bunch together in a group, peering curiosly at others while they are seriously engaging in their fun, and giggle at the sight of some activities they might find funny. This is an extremely disturbing and irritating behavior especially to those who are trying hard to "do it" with someone!

Before I state the other side of my opinion, I must first admit that I am too an asian.

Now for the other side of the argument. You should not and cannot stop any asian or any person of any race from entering your club because it is a dicriminatory factor and it is against the law. Another point is that NOT all asians are like the above, like myself. I frequent sex clubs in LA for the sex and to go for the thrill of anonymous sex in your clubs. I do find that sex clubs are the few places where I can really let go and have fun!

I used to frequent your club, The Zone, until I was also barred from entering and renewing my membership. I must say that at first I was really pissed! Not until I have heard the other side of the story (which is my first reason), then I did agree, to a certain extend, to your intent.

Now, coming back to the main point. I must say that any private establishment does has its right to their prefered customers; like in your case, asians. All I have to suggest is that you should continue to open your doors to everyone but just keep an open eye on those (of any race) who might be coming into your clubs for a "funny" time instead.



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....To a degree, I do understand why some guys don't want Asians in the clubs. However, you cannot really generalize. It's not fair. (It really bothers me that I sort of agree too.)

I'm Filipino who grew up in the Philippines. Back there, they are not as much (not as much) sensitive towards PC. It's really not everybody, but it's there. I grew up hearing abusive jokes about all other Asians (except Filipinos). But then, Filipinos discriminated against other Filipinos also. 7 major languages, 32 dialects.....7 major cultures......immigrants. Pale skinned, dark skinned. Spanish-Filipinos, Chinese-Filipinos.

(What are we, then? This group of islands wasn't a country before Spain went there and named it after King Philip IV.)

I'm one of those total sluts. I've had sex with all kinds. I meet different people everyday. ........'Can't really generalize.

During the Basic Plumbing days, I've seen Filipino groups be loud and giggly, I've seen some other Asian groups be loud and giggly, I've seen some Hispanic groups be loud and giggly, and I've seen some Italians be loud and giggly. (Sorry if I weren't able to mention all of them....but they're the only ones that I've heard.)

The "loud and giggly" thing is DEFINITELY an issue and it's embarrassing that although I've seen other kinds of people do it, most of the time it's people who look like me who are doing it. Somebody should go around these places and kick these people out (for the evening). They probably don't even know it's unattractive.

But don't kick me out because I look like them. I don't do that kinda thing.

It is a fact that over 95% of the pickpockets at the zone and other now defunct sex clubs have been asian!!! It is also a fact that most of them have small 'thumb sized' penises.Can somebody please tell me what is that horrible garlic smell that so many of them give off? Pushiness, rudeness, hogging glory stalls, interferring with other guys who are messsing around, giggling, talking very loud, etc. The large influx of asians at the tomkat virtually drove away all the under 40 nice looking, attractive inshape caucasians! This topic has been regularly discussed on this message board and continually creates controversy. We must rationally discuss what asians do that continually irritates so many of us that other groups do not. Hopefully, cries of racism & bigotry and that damned political correctness will not enter this thread. Please tell me why so many asians are dying their hair blond or having a surgical procedure to make that eyes appear less slanted???

Well, i will put my two cents in. I believe discrimination is wrong. However, there are stereotypes for a reason,not everyone fits them, but many do. I work out at a gym with many asians, young and old, i observe how their customes are different than american, and I can certainly see why many would be repelled by them. This does not only apply to asians, as many immigrants have diffent views on what is appropiate, such as personal space and cleaninness. I would only expect from a sex club owner to watch for innapropiate conduct that bothers the majority of the visitors, then stop it from happening. By the way, i am a latin immigrant myself, i will however, not discuss myself personally, as i think it is useless to the discussion.

Don't kick me out because I look like them. I don't do that kinda thing.

Yikes! this kind of talk coming from a community that constantly faces discrimination?...how truly frightening this is...so now that it seems justifiable in the eyes of some to exclude Asians, maybe we can add gropers, lookey loos, stall hoggers, gigglers, drug users, condom users, barebackers, shavers, hairy guys, slim guys, fat guys, muscular guys, HIV+ guys, HIV- guys,Leather Men, Drag Queens, steroid users, men of any race other than Asian, guys who take it up the ass, guys who don't, simple minded Bigoted truck drivers, smokers, non smokers, drinkers, non drinkers,guys who only play with guys but claim to be BI...face it we will always be able to find someone that we don't like, get over it and if you don't like the clientele somewhere ..GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

JayinLa is right. I had apparently tried to discuss myself personally and it is useless.

Your business should be run the way you want it run. Do whatever it takes to keep the business as profitable as possible.

My only concern with asians at the sex clubs is with them driving there. Now that's a scary thought then them laughing and starring at u having sex!

the vortex did not discriminate against asians - i know - i worked there - they discriminated against clothes, perfume, queeny behavior - not only did we not in asians - we did not let in whites, blacks , latins - does this mean we discriminated against them too ? no - we had many asian members who LOOKED - DRESSED - WALKED - TALKED AND ACTED LIKE MEN - do not blame ur bad business management agianst the Vortex -

Well, now lets take a look at this question from the businessmans side.I too am in business, and it is my understanding that it is against both Ferderal, and State laws to discriminate against any person for ANY reason.

Now that doesn't mean that if some joker comes into your place of business, and causes problems that you can't kick there ass out. BUT under the law if he comes back the very next day he must be admitted.

I have lived in the Greater Los Angeles area for almost forty years, and have seen so many business close there doors because of this attitude of discrimination for one reason or another.

When are we going to learn that having a Gay Community means ALL INCLUSIVE regardless of Color, Race, or Creed. and that includes Big, Small, Old, and Young.

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"Can't we...um...can't we just all get along"

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how disappointing it is to read some of these posts, which are absolutely inappropriate and appalling. what's wrong with you people? first, THINK hard about what you say, what you feel and why you feel the way that you do. if you do and you're honest with yourself, you'll certainly recognize that your remarks are racist and grounded in ignorance, fear, and/or plain old meanness.
it is WRONG to generalize about asians, despite the behavior of some asian's at the zone. do you recognize when men of other background's exhibit the same behavior? or how about when asian's do NOT exhibit behavior you find offensive? and i'll bet you don't notice the offensive behavior that YOU and others of your same racial/ethnic background exhibit.

regarding whether asian's should not be allowed in the ZONE, of course they should be allowed!! if you find an individual's behavior offensive, stop being such a coward and tell them (politely if they're being polite to you; rudely if they're being rude to you), rather than whining about it and allowing an individual's behavior to develop into a stereotype which then foments hatred.
why do you choose to live this way? to expend your energy on being negative. again, i'm sure that if you think about it, you'll come up with some answers.

finally, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves for the racist feelings you're expressing and for thinking it's ok to express them (which i suppose has something to do with the anonymity of this mode of communicating). i hope that there are only a few of you out there who think and behave this way.

to the other, whom i hope are the majority... those who are honorable, brave and strong... thank you for doing the right thing and please know that who you are and what you do is appreciated. feel good about that!!

Peter you are a bussinessman you have a great deal of money invested in you business, It's
first priority should be to justify your investment, then to provide jobs and lively hoods to people. It is not the job of the state or federal govt or anyone to tell you who you can cater your business too. You should be appluded for asking these question, and making us think about something other than our cocks. In the end you will have to make a decision on who is my target audience.

We do have a free will if we donot like your audience then we do not have to patronize you.

WHAT IS THE DEAL...ARE MOST GAY DUDES INTO HAIRY BACKS AND ASSES....ASAINS HAVE THOSE SWEET LITTLE SMOOTH BUBBLE BUTTS..THEY CAN COME HERE IF THEY ARE X'D OUT..NOT ENUF ASAIN BUTT IN BEACH ARE!!

I agree with calboy. I am appalled by what I am reading, and the attitudes that are being expressed. If someone is doing something offensive, or not following posted rules, then they should be excluded. However, a person's ethnicity should not be the gating factor in admission to a club. As in any bath house/sex club, if you do not like someone, then just say no, and find someone who appeals to you. But don't exclude them because their lifestyle/look does not jive with yours...

hey HUNGINPB.... whats wrong with hairy backs and asses?? you can have the smooth ones!

I have to put my 2 cents in. I am not a racist, I maintain relationships with all types of people, however,
when I want to get off and have sex, I want a particular type of guy. I will patronize clubs that cater to my sexual preference and avoid clubs that are filled with guys I find unappealing. I suspect that a majority of guys prefer non-asians.
(Note to the asian community, stop giggling, gawking, staring, and for God's sake get rid of the garlic stank.)

Discriminating against one particular race is just flat-out wrong in 2001. And you can't generalize about an entire group of people just because a select group of people within that group have a habit that another race might not like. I'm sure we've all seen giggly white guys, voyeuristic black guys, "thumb-dicked" Latinos...what have you in the clubs too. So, no...you can't turn an Asian away who pays his money to attend that club.
That is like going back to the South in the 50's with the "Service for Whites Only" signs in the diner window.

And besides....

THIS White guy just loves Asians...they're smooth, they're hairless, they're intelligent and they're fun...

My experience has been different from others. Here in the desert I don't see many Asians, but at the gravel pit there have been a couple. They didn't smell and were better behaved than the young 20 something that came in one night. At a book store in San Bernardino my favorite guy is Asian (haven't seen him for a while) he gives the best blow jobs around!
I like small hard dicks. I like smooth trim bodies. Asians are a favorite of mine.
During my visits for S.E. Asia I was told that I didn't smell good. I had to stop eating beef for a while. I did and my partners were happy which meant them kept me happy:-)
It seem that what people really don't like is some of the behavior (I haven't seen it). Maybe there is a way to get the message out that when you are at a club, certain behavior is expected?? The garlic smell I have experienced has been from Koreans. Maybe they could be persuaded to skip the cabbage for a day?
Any why I don't think its a good idea to put all Asians in the same bucket any more than you can do the same for all Americans.

Just wanted to say I agree with calboy and bilatinguy. And as for Mr. Load, you've got bigger problems than hating asians.

God I hate this fucking racist town...Chicago, in the fucking midwest is less racist than this and in New York this wouldn't even be a conversation. What is it about Los Angeles that makes people in general and the gay scene in particular so ignorant and prejudiced? It's the only thing I've NOT liked about this place since moving here two years ago and it's bad enough to make me want to leave.

Peter...in answer to your questions...I would actively boycott any establishment that had a policy of discrimination against any group on the basis of race, gender, religion, age or sexual orientation. To do so would be discrimination. People might be able to justify it to themselves or others for a variety of reasons, but this just makes them hypocritical sellouts. That is, unless these pussy white boys also believe that businesses should be able to bar admittance to gay men as well. Then at least they'd just be sellouts.

Maybe those of you who think this is okay need a little reminder of reality. YOU are a member of a group that is actively discriminated against. If you didn't have the priviledge of living in a liberal area, you'd have the experience of people being kicked out of clubs, fired from their jobs, harrassed, beat up and humiliated...simply for being gay. Ever heard of Cracker Barrel? Or the U.S. Military? To advocate this practice against any other group is hypocrisy, pure and simple. Not to mention that gay men have the luxury of being able to "pass" as straight as the need arises...you have NO idea what it is like to be discriminated against daily just by someone looking at you.

Y'all need to get out of the sex clubs and read a little history. If it wasn't for the civil rights movement you'd still be kickin it in back rooms...if you don't think that racial prejudice is related to gay prejudice, check out bell hooks' essay "Feminism: a transformational politic." It's all related, boys.

Peter...don't be so polite. Name names. Which establishments are discriminating? Who is the racist winning awards? Open minds want to know...

And finally, for all the people using the tired "well don't call me a racist just because I'm not sexually attracted to them" line. Fine. If you're not sexually attracted to someone then don't have sex with them. But don't trample on someone else's right to go to the same club you do to because of your own selfish need to have only people YOU find attractive around you. Other people may find your over developed, steroid laden, tweaking, shaved ass unattractive. That doesn't mean they should crusade to have you 86ed.

Peter,
I think its great that you take an active role in your investment and that you care enough to bring up the subject and ask the tabu questions!!

First of all the issue seems to be race rather than actions. All the reasons for banning Asians from the "Zone" seem to be based from a race perspective rather than actions.

I am Asian and not of the stero type, Iam 29, 6'2" genetically well proportioned and I have hairy legs and my pubic hair is not bushy and theres nothing str8 on me, not even my pubic hair and I have a 7 1/2" penis.
The problems (aka Asians) everyone is speaking of stems most of the time but not always from the Asians that are F.O.B (Fresh off the boat). Usually but not always they are the ones who hang out in
packs,gawk, giggle and get in the way when your trying to have fun and the worst part about it is that if your asian yourself and you are hooking up with a non asian trick/date they assume that the guy is a rice queen and feel that they have a chance and end up stalking you and your trick which usually scares them off and ends up ruining the fun for everyone involved, they are also the ones who smell of garlic since many asian cultures use alot of garlic in their native cuisine and the ones who are F.O.B eat their ethnic food regularly, that would exclude the Japanese who don't use garlic for the most part (or perhaps they had just had dinner at Kookooroos or Baja Fresh)

Pedropan and CALBOY had the right sentiment, have a sign with rules reguarding such negative behavior such as stalking an unwilling victim, loitering in a GH booth, being excesssively rude or aggressive. These rules should apply to everyone and if someone weither asian, black, white,or latin
should break them they should be expelled from the club and have their membership revoked. That should be the criteria not race. I do agree with some of the negative comments about my relative (j/k) because I to find alot of the negative sterotypical asian traits very annoying and try to stay away from them, since it can be the cause of a very frustrating and anticlimactic experience. It does seem more acceptable/tolerated when a non asian
exhibits these traits/actions. Bottom line is you choose and have the right to hook up with any willing person you want, if your not into a person just ignore or if their agressive and stalking you just speak up and tell them to get lost this works on everyone not just asians. Again this should be about a persons actions or behavior not a race issue. Bann the actions or behavior, lets not make this and ugly race issue even though I do agree with some of the reactions and sentiments from some of the negative posts.




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I GUESS SWEAY BACKS AND STEAMY STINKY BUTTS ARE YOUR THING..BUT THAT ASAIN ASS CAN BE BEAT NICE AND SMALL...ITS LIKE PLOWING A LITTLE BOY..YOU CAN PICK THEM UP ROLL THEM AROUND EASY I LOVE ASAIN BUTT!!NO BUTT HAIR TO GET IN YOUR WAY..ALOHA BEEATCH!!

Asians all smell of garlic.....hmmmm.
Don't know about that. But what I do know is that I can smell - all the way from Toronto - the rotten stink of prejudice in this particular thread.

Hey Hollywoodboys, for the most part you're dead-on. I find it interesting though that you start you're comments with the same sort of sweeping generalization which is the basis of the discrimination which you denounce. I haven't spent enough time in Chicago to say where the city might fall on the scale, but to say that "in New York this wouldn't even be a conversation" strikes me along the lines of "Los Angeles = Racist" which is same kind of thinking that produces "Asians = Undesirable". And correct me if I'm wrong but are you talking about the same New York that invented the velvet rope? You know the one behind which club patrons have to stand before they are admitted on the basis of HOW THEY LOOK? Having friends who work as doormen at a couple of these clubs I know for a fact that they are instructed to limit the number or asian, black and Puerto Rican faces admitted. Maybe they might not have this conversation, but it doesn't mean Los Angeles is the sole site of discrimination. It's not that I don't agree with your position, I just wanted to point out how pervasive and often overlooked is the kind of flawed logic and generalizing that contributes to discrimination.

Why is it that it is always "white folks"
that post shit like this. Just once I would like a man of color to post something like
"Looking for masculine man of color, white queens please don't apply". That would rule out 70% of the gay community. It still amazes me when I see topics like this. It's no wonder there are so many lost souls in this shallow community. Guys its time to grow up!!!

Wow, this is an interesting and frightening discussion. I didn't realize there were so many out and out racists in the community.

I don't have much to add other than to respond to the individual who said he used to work at the Vortex and they didn't discriminate against Asians. Either you are fooling yourself or you just weren't aware of the unwritten policy. An Asian friend of mine was told that no more memberships were being sold, immediately after standing in line behind a Caucausian who was sold a membership. When he protested, he was told, "Sorry, we've reached our limit, and we're able to do so because we're a private club." He wasn't directly told he was being excluded because he was Asian, but he didn't have to be. Other Asian friends have report similar stories.

Oh--and this friend is no nelly queen either. Mid-30's at the time, 40" chest, 30" waist, about 5'10" and very hunky. Not that the doorman would know, but my friend certainly doesn't have a "thumb-sized penis" either. It was after hearing this that I destroyed my Vortex membership. I was very happy when they were forced out of business.

Peterdeep--please name names. I want to know which other clubs I should avoid patronizing for this behavior.

OK, White .. er, ALL Non-Asian guys...look at this way..
Scenario: You're on vacation or business in Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok...you know ASIA and you want to enjoy an evening at a local bath house..You're at the door of the club, yen, yuan, dong in hand (no pun intended) ready to fork over your cash and go and have some carnal fun. But the Asian guy at the entrance tells you "So velly sowwy, sir, we don't allow any white people in here...we don't like your hairy bodies and big cut dicks"...
How would you feel? OK, now imagine how an Asian at a LA Bath/Club feels when you deny HIM admission because of YOUR prejudices http://web.cruisingforsex.com/ubb/smile.gif

Niguel Dude
Cruiser posted January 03, 2001 08:21 PM
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OK, White .. er, ALL Non-Asian guys...look at this way..
Scenario: You're on vacation or business in Tokyo, Seoul, Singapore, Hong Kong, Bangkok...you know ASIA and you want to enjoy an evening at a local bath house..You're at the door of the club, yen, yuan, dong in hand (no pun intended) ready to fork over your cash and go and have some carnal fun. But the Asian guy at the entrance tells you "So velly sowwy, sir, we don't allow any white people in here...we don't like your hairy bodies and big cut dicks"...
How would you feel? OK, now imagine how an Asian at a LA Bath/Club feels when you deny HIM admission because of YOUR prejudices


********LOL**** that wasn't a gigle either.

Guys, I am appauled at what I'm reading! This is exactly what I was talking about when people bashed me and accused me of being a mainstream gay who has settle for the republican ways. My response to these people, "How could you expect the right wing conservatives and Christians to stop discriminating against you, when you are constantly discriminating within your own community!" This whole post totally proves my point! I have never seen so much racism and downright out rudeness in my life. For a city that tries to be politically correct, this really makes me wonder. It saids: Welcome to the city of ME, ME,ME and I am always right and no one matters but ME.
Peter, go with your own instincts, screw what everyone saids. Let into your club who you want to let into your club. If you want to cater to asians, dykes, drag queens, extraterrestrials, whatever go for it. Do what you feel is right. The hell with these one sided, racist queens who if you are not one of them , then you don't belong! This is exactly the reason I am proud to say, I VOTED FOR BUSH and will always stand behind The Log Cabin Republicans!

I remember the days when Barney's Beanery had a sign hanging over the bar which read "No Fags Allowed". Not only did they have the sign, they enforced the rule. The gay community was outraged and demanded that the sign come down and that Barney's not discriminate against gays.
It is sad to hear so many gays openly advocate the same type of discrimination that many of us fought so long and hard to overcome.
It's bad enough that we have to fight the likes of Jerry Falwell, Dr. Laura and those of their ilk. That we have to struggle against the racist attitudes of our own is unconscionable.

OK, now it's my turn. I do not get into watersports, leather, trolls. Should they be banned from a club? No. I just prefer to go to a club where they don't. My bf is asian (I am white). I love asians, hispanics, whites... That is why I love the Zone. Before the fire and after. The kind of guys I prefer were always there. Maybe the reason some people don't like asians is because they are or were attracted to them but are so over weight or just plain gross they could never get any, so they go to places like slammers that have other leather fatties like them to hook up with. You also hear about how the Hollywood Spa is full of attitude. Just a bunch of gym bodies and no action. Gee, everytime I've been there I have never had that problem. Maybe it is because I am one of them and I take care of my body and have high standards for who I hook up with. If you have a problem with asian, I don't care, go someplace else, because it is probably not just asians. As far as one race hanging out in groups and giggling, it isn't just asians, it is every ethnic group. Usually younger guys who haven't been to a sex club before or aren't quite out yet and are just inexperienced. So to end, the more asians the better. I am glad the Zone finally re-opened. I always had a great time every day of the week. I was real tired of Basic Plumbing, and always look forward to the Zone.

peter....i adore asian bottoms........ill b going there soon.......if any of u asian bottoms read this...please send me a message.......asians r gr8 kissers and very good at being oral and submissive...keep them going there peter....ray

I've seen discriminate hispanic group post last month here in this room ( Spearmint Rhino topic) , This month i see Asians group , What 's wrong with these people ? Have you discriminated by straight people beacause you are a Fag ,a pussy boy, cocksucker??? have you been to Asia ? do you use Asian products ,drive Asian car , Asian appliances ..... ?
I think their economy is better then here in the U.S . wake up people build your knowledge and stop thinking having a dick in your mouth in 24 hrs a day .



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Well now, have I got something to say about this subject. I own a very popular bar here in the LA area. We enforce a very strict policy of no FAGS in our bar. It's just good business sense. Decent people are turned off and bothered by those type of people. They prance around in womens clothes all the time. They are loud and try to pretend like they are girls. They wear lipstick and that awful smell...like perfume or something. Besides that they are sick people, all they think about is sex with other men and preying on our children. My customers are trying to relax and have a beer while these fags gather in the corner and chit chat about what little boy they are going to molest next. They are not normal people, just a bunch of freaks of nature. If I had it my way these fags would not be allowed in any public place in the city of LA. Don't decent people have a right to go where they want and not have to look at these sick, drag queen fags all the time?

Get the point?! You fucking jerks!

Any club that embraces Asians has my business! The best this white guy has ever had has been with Asian guys.

Geez you guys, seperate racism from sexual preference. I don't go to sex clubs that have lots of Asians or blacks 'cause I'm into white guys, NOT BECAUSE I'M A RACIST. Peter, you can let anyone you want into your club! I'll take my cock where it'll get hard. Sorry if it's not at your club, but I'll get by, and you'll not have to leave anyone in the vestibule without a membership.
ps, guys, get over the dramatics it's about an ERECTION not EXCLUSION

Hey, there are some of us who are not sexually compatible with others. Some of us are bottoms and I find with most of the Asian men I've run into, they are bottoms as well. I have nothing against Asian men in particular, becuase some of them topped me and it was incredible. I had some really great Asian tops that were fantastic, but they are a minority and they are ultra-picky too. I don't like going to a cruising area and listening to the giggling, queeny behavior that I've noticed too. If they can't speak English either, that is a big turn off for me. I'm part Latin and SORRY but I don't speak Spanish and THE LAW DOESN"T Say I have to either. My father was never taught Spanish, so that is the way it is sometimes folks. It's very rude and inconsiderate to speak in a language that is foreign to others around people who speak a majority language. Most of them who speak in another language know English just as well, but most of the time they are criticizing people. This is the reason some of us prefer to find places where this type of behavior will not be done due to knowing what type of people frequent the place. I tell people, if you are into the queeny, talking, twinks, this is your place. I've also known that most of these queeny, twinks are bottoms and I just leave because they scare away some of the men who want action. They will follow a man you are interested in and they don't care if he isn't interested in them, they will start harassing him until he leaves. If you want to act like a little queen, go to a bar, or dance club where they put up with this childish behavior!
Thanks for listening.

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