-- I do not pretend to have as much experience of bar-boyz etc. as many another correspondent in these threads has about BKK. and various facets of its life.
- But I do find it possibly strange that a farang and a bar-boi would go-out of an an a go-go bar without any prelim. discussions about price etc. etc. - rather trusting on both parties' parts, wasn't it?
-- bibi.. --

Actually, no. I never discuss money before offing, and I don't think it should be necessary to do so -- as long as the customer knows what is customary and expected.

If the boy's expectations lie outside of what is normal, it is his responsibility to mention it before going off. No one I have offed has ever done so, however, and I have rarely had anyone be unhappy with what I have offered. If they were, then it was their problem.

I agree with Icon 100%. I've "offed" around 300 boys and the issue of money is NEVER raised before leaving the bar. In my early naive days I remember asking on a couple of occasions, and the answer was always "up to you." The only time I would subsequently raise money as an issue was if more than 2 boys wanted to be offed for a "party" and I would explain that I could only afford 1,000 each max, which would always be eagerly accepted. Call me naive, but I only off boys who show interest in me, who I feel attracted to, and the money after the mutual satisfaction is like a gift to a friend, and always graciously accepted.

I didnt make it to the bars or sauna last week...arrived for Songkran....tuned into gay.com and met a delicious 22 yo boy, who after intial shyness, turned into an animal who I fucked 3 times in the afternoon, and after buying him dinner he turned down even the taxi fare I offered....asking only to meet again. If the same guy lived in Aust or US he wouldn't even look at a 50+ guy......which is what maks this place so amazing. Back in Jomtien I got a call from an 18 y.o. I'd met last month. He called from Sakon Nakorn to wish me happy Songkran..... I love this country.

-- Hmmmmmm..
- I'm sure that you and Biggles know Th. boyz a lot better than I do; but I do wonder howmany Th. boyz would look-on it as 'Their responsibility.'?
- In the bar it's easier for the farang, having heard the expected amount, to back-down and to say 'Thanks, but no thanks.'; whereas -having 'offed.' the boi - back in the bedroom and post coetum I'd put the odds as MORE in favour of the Th. boi were he to become awkward about payment.
-- bibi.. --

Dear Sextile.........I think you think too much ! First there are more boys available than farang customers so they are always delighted to be offed...(escape from bar, prospect of being fed, bedded and tipped....and maybe spend 1 or more nights in relative luxury), next as long as perfomance is ok they will not complain at min 1,000 bt (short time) and will be delighted with 2,000..(overnite)..... anything more is the jackpot, and anything less will a pursing of the lips and puppy eye look to express dissapointment. New farangs who have visited brothels in Europe /US know that $100 an hour is the starting price there, so are unlikely to try on a 2oo bt tip unless they are complete ass-holes, in which case they would deserve a tongue lashing from the boy.

I, also, have never discussed tips with a boy before offing him. But also have been offing less as had a couple of regular boys "for free" (well other than dinners) for last couple of years that picked up off gay.com / gaydar.co.uk.

Given your apparent experience in and about Bangkok, I find this to be a strange observation. I agree that to someone totally unfamiliar with the way things work in Thai gogo bars it might seem odd that the boys head off with a customer and no idea what they might get in the way of compensation, but no boy I've ever taken off in Bangkok, Chiang Mai or Pattaya has ever done otherwise. And, none has ever acted other than appreciative for what he's been given.

I quite agree. In almost 30 years of visiting and now living in Thailand, I have never agreed a fee in advance, and can recall only one instance when a hustler type asked for a larger tip - he didn't get it!

Friends tell me it's quite common in the bars in the South, near the Malaysian border

Even though you did not get a reply to your request, scoops, I wonder if you went - and how did you find Khon Kaen? Am thinking of going in a couple of weeks.

-- Y'day., (mon., 25th.), evening I went to INDRA MASSAGE, (Soi Than Tawan - off Suriwong rd.) - whither I've not been since before the start of the Xtn. Lent -for my usual and 90mins. oil-massage. My usual TH. boi who visits on mons. was back in his Home-country helping his father in some local elections - hence my going elsewhere.
- I was assigned to masseur ODD, who has massaged me before - vide supra 19 sep 07., #24. for MORE info. about this man; so I sha'n't write any further about him or the massage.
- Cost was 800.Bh., PLUS TIPS..
-- Looking around I'd guestimate that their business isn't thriving right now.
-- Bibi.. --