-- Do you mean that he's a 'Shower.' rather than a 'Grower.'?
-- bibi.. --

No, it just means that his foreskin is too tight for his cock head to come out. And Nop's is really, really tight...the opening is like the size of a pin. God only knows how he maintains hygeine.

Anyway, I thought he was nice enough, but I would not repeat him. I found his massage only average, and he did not kiss or suck. I found his after-massage service fairly passive: he gave me a hand job and allowed me to smoke him, but he did not seem to be excited about much of anything else (I was not in the mood to be bottom).

Sextile....you really DIDN'T give up weiner-chasing for Lent, did you??? Good god.....when will you be back to normal and worshipping with the rest of us here at the Church of St. Mattress? Your flock miss their shepherd, y'know. Let us pray.

-- Icon,
- I'll allow that I share your concerns about his pers. hygiene; but who can speak to him about such intimate matters?
- In my 'Ideal.' world I'd put that obligation upon the Owner's and/or MamaSan's shoulders as part of 'Man mngmnt.' - but in the real & Th. world I doubt if that exists.
-- Interesting to read the two differing postings about Khun Nop.
-- bibi.. --

-- Dear Mother-Superior,
- Yes, seriously, to give my body & Me a break from alcohol, massage with those 'Extras.', visiting a go-go bars and so on and so forth; I've taken a sabbatical from the 'Sisters of Perpetual Freedom.' - motto: 'Fay ce que voudras.' - until the start of next month.
- I'm sure that the Billy-goats and Rams can defend the flock.
-- bibi.. --

I wasn't saying that Nop wasn't clean. He was -- completely. I was just wondering how he does it.

The guy from Laos
 

By any chance is this guy the very short one (but on the stocky side despite his height) who speaks English with a faux American accent? And who used to work at Arena?

Are you sure it was I who sang the praises of GQ? I've only been twice -- both times just after they opened -- and both times were seriously disappointing, although the facilities are top notch. Never been back since. I think it was someone else who mentioned that they'd gotten their shit together, but I haven't had time to give them a new try.

Dragon Massage - Khon Kaen
 

Can anybody please shared details of Dragon massage / Dragon Boy Massage in Khon Kaen.

Understand it's fairly new and not far from Charoen Princess hotel, and very near to a new cabaret show.

Full addrees would be greatly appreciated if anybody has it.

I've been before to Dolphin and had a nice time.

Need to spend next week-end in Khon Kaen for meeting so I'm keen to explore Dragon. Will share a report.

Thanks, regards,

GQ Massage
 

Oops, my mistake. I've scrolled back and found that it was hcmpp who wrote a little about it on 23 Feb this year. You said even then that you've had 2 poor experiences.

does anyone know a massage place where (most of) the boys suck? Sometimes I read that the boy does not want to suck, so it;s difficult to find a place where they do.

Hans.....I'm not sure that there is such a place where (most of) the boys suck. They are in every whore house in town. It is up to YOU, the customer, to make your wishes known to the mamasan. If it's a blow job you want, simply tell the mamasan to point out to you the guys who will polish your knob. The mamasan knows who will do what and should only point out those who fill you bill. By the way, most Thais don't call it "sucking".... they call it "smoking". So, tell the mamasan you want someone to smoke you. That does NOT mean that the boy bring Winston Lights to the room.

-- You're quite correct - that's 100%. for sure - that it's up to you, Dear Customer, to specify your needs and wants to the Mamasan first of all.
- However, past experience - plus what I've read in this and other threads -would suggest that the Customer would be well-advised to check with the masseur himself before proceeding any further, lest the M'San. may not be quite so knowledgable as one might wish.
- How often, after a poor session, has one ret'd. to Reception to speak with the M'San. only to find that 'She's just gone-away for a few moments.'; ie. - she sold you a bum steer and is purposely unavailable to take any complaints; so the Customer pays-up, leaves and vows never, ever to return. He probably didn't even remember the boi's name, either.:mad:
-- bibi.. --

I agree. If you're particular about what the boy is going to do or not going to do, invite him over for a drink and chat before you commit to a massage. It will cost you only the price of the drink, and you'll be able to gauge whether or not there's a spark.

I have read this thread with interest. From my experience no massage place in Bangkok (or Pattaya too for that matter) can in any way compare to Hero. It is number one by the widest possible margin. Anyone like to challenge me on this point? Constructive debate welcome.

Hero's boys and facilities are great, no doubt. But I find myself going there less and less. It is just not relaxing -- too much like a sex conveyor belt, with the reception area like Grand Central Station. You often have to wait for a room, and getting attention from the captains is more and more difficult as they have to flit from one hi-so Thai queen to the next.

query
 

hi all. have not been to bkk in a while but will be there next week for a few days. is candle t still open? there website seems to be no longer active. i realize that their sister shop is just next door, etc, but wondered if candle t itself was still open.

also, does anyone know where k. wira, formerly of janpa, is these days?

any recommendations at ambassador?

lastly, anyone ever try spa bangkok? they are currently advertising "tantric" massage on their website which looks interesting.

thanks in advance!

Adonis Massage
 

About 4 weeks ago I visited Adonis Massage on Convent Road, during a 2 day stopover in Bangkok.

There was a very good selection of guys, and the Mamasan was very helped me select someone that 'does everything'.

I selected Mr Fon, about 19/20 and about 5ft 10 in tall, with a nice smile. He didnt speak much English, but I think he was telling me he was a man, and not gay.

The massage was not good, just rubbing my back with cream, with quick touches between my legs. His cock was small, and I when I felt it, I think it had a lump, so I did not explore further.

After about 7 or 8 minutes he had me turn over and then the fun started. His oral skills are fantastic and Fon must be the best rimmer I have ever had the pleasure to meet, and he was well into it. He also seemed to be a power bottom, and he really worked up a sweat. And most unusually, he was happy to let me cum on his face. Unfortunately I had only booked a one hour session and the time flew by. We shared a nice intimate shower in the room afterwards.

I went back to Adonis later in the day and offed Fon, for a fantastic repeat session in Suriwong Hotel, the first time I have every offed a masseur. The off fee was only 300 or 500 BHt (cant remember which).

Fon was tipped very well for his services that day.


( I have been travelling and this is the first chance to post. The count shows I have only posted one previous message, but I have posted before but not for a few years)

Yes I remember you.

Saladaeng Massage
 

A poster talks of his great experience at Saladaeng Massage and I must agree with most of his story. I went in for a foot massage, had a very cute guy named Art who later asked me to come back for a body massage. I did, was taken upstairs to a very small room with a common ceiling with other rooms. I don't like traditional Thai massage, just the plain old rubbing type so got an oil massage. I showered, lay down on the table and the boy took off his shirt but not his trousers - fine with me at this point. He gave me a very erotic massage with time spend running over my less than virginal area and massaging the glutinous area in such a way that I was about to float off the table!. Then rolled me over, gave my upper body a purfunctory massage, down to the genital area with much pressing of fingers in the groin area until I just wanted to scream out with pleasure - a couple of wanks and I saw stars!!!! Was perfectly satisfied with his services but.......always a but... when I gave him 1000 bht tip, he looked like I had cheated him and asked for another thousand so he could pay his rent. Needless to say, that didn't happen. But for the request, I would have been back there every week for another session. Now my question is, where can guys give this kind of erotic massage without the necessity of actually having either oral or anal sex? Once in a while it is great to be just serviced like that.

Also, a good friend has informed me the normal tip at Hero now is 2000 baht - any truth to this??

Also went to Apsara one evening, cute guy with a chip in his front tooth filled with silver - got a great massage but finally offered what turned out to be a rather good sized appendage for me to swallow should i desire. But all in all, it was not as good as the one at Saladaeng in spite of the tip business.

Finding the perfect erotic massage with just a hand job is a crap shoot, at best. Virtually ALL of the guys at most places will be happy to give you a hand, and MOST of them will be thankful to you if they don't have to get naked or you don't ask them to mount you like a palamino. So, the hand job is fairly easy.

It's the "good" massage before the hand job that's tricky. I've been repeat business for massage guys who were stellar the first time I was there who turned out to be terrible thereafter.

So, unfortunately, it's a "pig-and-a-poke" to find a masseur that suits your fancy. Once you do, hang on to him. Get his mobile phone number and give him yours (if you're so inclined). Often-times, these guys move around a lot and it can be difficult to keep up with them.

(Also, let me mention that I think you did the exact right thing by establishing that a hand job is only worth THB 1,000. Set the ground rules early and don't stray from them. Stick to your guns. These guys have got more stories than Carter has liver pills. Don't believe them. If a hand job is worth THB 1,000 that's it.....full stop!)

Looking for ? Good times or Domination?
 

Not sure what some people are out for ... good times or domination. Seems the tough guy approach isn't always a great success.

but wait ...

and this approach resulted in

Surprise, surprise.

Some people seem less interested in having a good time with a boy and/or having a great massage than they are in playing tough guy.

As opposed to: As opposed to: Whereas some techniques just don't seem to be very productive...

And confusingly from the same poster:

Clearly, you've never been to Thailand.

Welcome to the board. Stick around. You'll learn the meaning of "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

I was at Hero on saturday. I gave bht1500 tip... no complaints from my masseur. Had a good fucking time with him too. The last time I was there was about 4months ago and was pleasantly surprised with the newly renovated shower area in the rooms.
Someone complained about the mamasans' atitude but I noticed that most customers got their attention when I was there. Business as usual very good.... many asian clients as well as a few farangs.

As of late last year I found Hero to be of a continuing pleasing standard for mamasan,choice and attitude.I'd be surprised if it was downhill over three months.

Overtipping spoils it for the rest of us but 2000bht for a special guy can't hurt.

I'll be back in BKK shortly......never been to Hero.....would you guys recommend it for me, (into twinky 20 -25 y/o 55- 60 kg smooth btm boys) who can actually massage and enjoy sex...or another venue?

While there are some boys as you describe as Hero, I think they are far outnumbered by sportier, mostly straight types (many of whom may endure being topped, but not enthusiastically). My personal recommendation for bottom twinks would be Aqua, or perhaps Body Club or Banana Club.

Have called Thailand home for going on eleven years now.

Went to Hero on Wednesday and had a great time with J___. Tipped him 3000 Baht. He was well worth it and when I go back, I doubt the Mamasan will tell me, "No boy for you tonight." Hell, when it was clear I wasn't going to manage a happy ending despite his best efforts and I told him "mai bpen rai," he announced he would smoke me, which is not something I requested nor would expect. Because of that and the fantastic two hours that preceded it, he deserved a good deal more than Baht 3000, but I'm not authorized to hand out the croix de guerre decoration, no matter how deserving the recipient.

Also took a boy off from one of the bars on the (supposedly) dreaded Soi Twilight Wednesday. I took him off for two nights, but he stayed with me at home for three days & nights and was tipped 15,000 Baht. He then asked to stay until at least Monday, but he made a point of saying he didn't want any more money. He's lying naked on the sofa watching some Vin Diesel movie now and looking good enough to eat.

It's not just the money, since they don't know how much they're getting until we're ready to part company, and I can guarantee you it's not my sexual aura. I'm over 60 and not fat by farang standards, but hardly "fighting fit." And, these are not isolated incidents. In all these years there have been very few disappointments, and those amounted to nothing when compared to all the wonderful boys I've spent time with and the great experiences I've had with them.

I treat the boys like they're a joy to be with (which they usually are) and that they are not one-use, disposable toys. Considering all the bitching by some people on this message board about the boys and their alleged poor attitudes, I just have to believe it's they who are fed up with the attitudes of some farang. Actually that works to my advantage since the boys I encounter in the bars and massage parlours apparently are so relieved I'm not another farang who thinks he can walk on water, that I reap the rewards. I hope my reasonable tipping standards do inflate expectations and price some people out of the market.

What goes around cums around.

I love someone with a vivid imagination.

Keep posting. Your posts are funny to read.

I concur. Vivid imagination and great sex style.Encore.

-- Well, you're certainly a generous person, that's 100%. for sure.
- You mentioned that you doubted if the Mamasan would say 'No.' to you were you to return for further svces. at that particular parlour; are there any thoughts that the M'san. collects a commission on TIPS. to the masseurs?
-- bibi.. --

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"Also took a boy off from one of the bars on the (supposedly) dreaded Soi Twilight Wednesday. I took him off for two nights, but he stayed with me at home for three days & nights and was tipped 15,000 Baht. He then asked to stay until at least Monday, but he made a point of saying he didn't want any more money. He's lying naked on the sofa watching some Vin Diesel movie now and looking good enough to eat."

As the average Thai worker takes home around Bht 8,000 per month, I'm not surprised he was happy to stay for a week after a Bht 15,000 tip....plus I guess all meals found! .....that apart I do agree with your sentiments on treating boys with respect, as individuals. Every one of my 200+ boys has been different in personality and sexually, which is one of the pleasures and indeed privileges of being allowed by them to enjoy great intimacy with such tasty morsels. Sanook maak maak!

Good pay
 

An average worker in my country takes home about 4,000 USD a month. For twice that amount I am sure I would endure three nights with any old fart.

Seems to be a hint of criticism of the negative comments re Soi Twilight boys. And i have contributed to that criticism, and my comments still stand.

Perhaps the positive experiences don't get enough 'airplay' and i guess that's an unfortunate side of human beings at large.

Yes I have had some very positive experiences and today I have several very close very genuine Thai friends who I met many years ago when they worked in bars. And I have several farang friends who have lived here in Thailand for many years, in loving caring equal monogamous relationships with young men they met in bars.

There's also the other side of the coin that we all need to remember. I've mentioned before that my old Thai friend who published a Thai gay magazine for many years shared many stories with me about bar boys being cheated (boy stays all night, perhaps a couple of days and nights, then "sorry, I've run out of cash, I'll come back to your bar tomorow evening with some money - never seen again") (customer avoids paying tip then disappears then possibly tells his friends "but I took him to the movies, and I bought him new jeans and I took him to the Oriental for dinner, and now he expects money as well"), pushed hard to take drugs, promised the world, left with hotel bills etc., by farang (and other Asians).

Exactly the reason why Turning Point collects the minimum tip in advance from people they don't know. It happens more often than you'd think.

POOR TREATMENT BY FARANG etc
 

Since I raised the point, here are two real events that I think are worth sharing with other posters:

1. From my own direct knowledge. Farang (living permanently in Bkk) is HIV+ but never tells anybody, full AIDS not yet appeared, still enjoying quite OK health. Meets very pleasant (and hot) young man in an office and invites him to apartment. Farang convinces the young man to have bareback anal sex. The young man moves in quickly and they fuck each other regularly bareback. Farang regularly brings other boys home for threesomes. Eventualy threesome idea fades but farang still brings other boys home and live-in is regularly expected to go any sit/sleep in the 24 hr coffee shop attached to the apartment.

Both start to get sick and farang denies he is HIV-. Both quickly gravely ill, farang refuses to take care of the young man who is confirmed to have full lown AIDS and now too ill to work. Friends take him home to Northern province where he quickly dies on the floor of the family hut with no medication. (This is well before any form of cocktail is available in Thailand.) Farang hangs on a bit longer, buys a ticket to go home, very ill and weak but sill takes boys from bars. On the night before flight takes boy from bar, next morning holds a sale in his room and sells everything. Keeps enough money for his taxi fare to airport and departure tax, give s the balance of the sale proceeds to the one night stand - about 40,000Baht. Has no other further funds whatever. On arrival carried from aircraft. Refuses medical care, refuses ambulance transport, begs for money at airport for taxi fare to relatives house, dies 2 or 3 days later.


2. Initially related by my old Thai friend who published a gay magazine, then I became involved along with some other farang friends. Now about 12 / 14 years ago.

Farang comes to Bangkok (first time) for several weeks holiday. Meets young man who is working in a host bar to get enough funds to stay in university. Farang decides he will support his new 'boyfriend' and despite protests by BF he is set up in an expensive 2 bedroom apartment, around 50,000Baht per month rent plus utilities etc. Farang also pays a deposit on a large expensive motorcyle (which the boy doesn't want). Farang says he will send money every month for the rent / motorcycle payments, etc.

First month funds arrive, end of second month no funds, and rent/MC payment now late. Boy tries to ring his supporter but always encounters strange voices and 'not here / moved out / don't know where he is now' comments. Landlord now getting angry and daily calls from hire purchase company re MC payment. Young man is desperate, doesn't know what to do and he visits my Thai friend the magazine publisher for advice. (When there were many gay magazines it was common for boys with problems to visit / send letters to the publishers for advice.)

Boy takes 20Baht and goes outside for a quick meal. Comes back and his room has been padlocked. Landlord says 'no entry till rent is paid'. Boy asks if he can at least take his wallet with ID card. NO.
Boy also needs to register at Uni for next semester but cannot because all his personal documents are locked in the room and no money.

Landlord and MC company now getting real heavy and MC has been repossessed, but still large amount outstanding. Boy goes to Indian loan shark and borrows money to clear all the debt. Now landlord wants one month extra rent. That's borrowed also from loan shark. Typically the loan shark is adding 20% interest per month to the outstanding balance.

Study is now out of the question, he is now working several jobs to pay the loan shark. Starts work at 4am as a runner carrying crates etc in a fresh market, works as a waiter for 2 hrs at lunch time, works as a massage boy from 3pm then works in a go go bar every night, never has a day off. Lives in a tiny cockroach infested room off Soi Suan Phlu, no furniture, just a dirty blanket on the cement floor, shared filthy bathing area.

He pays back about 60% of the money in about 2 years. My magazine friend now mentions the story to me, for the first time. I call the farang in Sydney, he listens but says he can't help (and doesn't see why he should help) and doesn't want his Sydney BF to know about this situation.

I ask several other farang in Bkk to pool some money and we quickly pay off the debt. By this stage the young man is not at all keen to have any contact with farang and is initially conerned that there are strings attached.

He's now missed three years of study. We also give him enough funds to get back to uni (clothes/fees, etc), and pay six months rent on a room in a better building, pay for furniture, TV etc.

He goes back to his original host bar and continues uni. He's since graduated. I still see him ocassionally, he's a nice young man, and he now opens up and talks. He tells he would like to get married but he can't get close to anybody - can't trust anybody.

Thanks for the post, Scoops. I, too, have heard first-hand stories about how farangs treat guys here in The Kingdom. When they're here on holiday, they are, quite often, free-wheeling with their money and think nothing about throwing it around. They think it is fun to "impress" Thai guys with how much they can buy. I have heard of guys buying their "special boyfriends" everything from motorcycles to cars to condos. And, as you've recounted, the Thai guy inevitably ends up on the short end of the stick.

You and your friends pooling money to help the second guy out is noble, indeed. He will be endebted to you in his heart forever. He will, of course, be eternally scarred by the treatment he received from the visiting farang and will, therefore, have a difficult time creating long-lasting relationships. I feel SO sorry for so many of these guys.

Thanks again for the sobering post.

Very sad - and very sobering. So many posts on this board give the impression of farangs just using Thai guys like a piece of meat. True, that's one way of looking at money boys in particular, and we do after all pay for a service. But whether it's just a casual encounter or one that develops into some kind of longer relationship, these guys have lives and feelings which we should all respect. One thing I have found over many years is how many young Thai guys are desperate for 'affection' and even 'love'. And when you show them genuine affection, most (even though there are always some bad apples) will return it with interest and be hugely grateful for it. Ten years ago I helped one guy through University - and no-one could have a more loyal friend.

I appreciate your view, but I think looking at compensation in terms of minimum pay that some day laborer or store clerk might earn is specious. Most construction workers or 7-Eleven clerks couldn't do what these boys do, at least not with the same elan as most of the guys I have offed manage. I'm not talking about someone who lies there like a slab of meat, but someone who makes me believe briefly that he's enjoying the sex with me as much as I am with him. He's a magician and an actor worthy of a star at Graumann's Chinese Theater.

EXACTLY! Sanook Maak Maak. He was having fun. I was having fun. For awhile I didn't have to remember I'm over 60 and ( if I were back in the US or UK) should be sitting at home alone with some stray cats and a cup of cocoa watching Jeopardy or Coronation Street on TV, and he didn't have to freeze to death standing half naked on a stage bouncing to some music he had heard 99,000 times before.

I'm not trying to outdo Mother Teresa or looking for a UN Humanitarian award. I really like most of the guys I end up with and I want them to feel good about themselves and I have ALWAYS been repaid many times over.

But do remember the guy was great to be with and ready to "perform" repeatedly BEFORE he knew what the tip was going to be. Our first night together, after repeated "encounters" of the very pleasant kind, I jokingly asked if we could go one more time and he responded, " For you, no problem." Remember money hadn't yet been discussed. It really made me wonder how badly he was normally treated if he could say something like that.

My point is that if someone keeps getting boys with attitude and who want to do as little as possible, no matter how many years that someone may have lived in Thailand, the problem may not be the boys. Even the few boys I've offed who didn't work out well were pleasant and trying to please, they just didn't click with me or they might have been more suited to clerking at 7-Eleven.

I know some people need to distance themselves from their sexual "partners" and disparaging them somehow helps to compensate for a poor sense of self esteem, but I don't want dehumanized sex. For that an inflatable doll would probably suffice.

Definitely: Sanook Maak Maak and Sanook samrab took khon!

I agree they are accomplished liars. Not on the same scale as recent US presidents or UK prime ministers, but still far beyond anything most of us could pull off.

They'd have to be able to bend the truth with style to manage the illusion. When I look at these young sexy guys smiling at the usual customers in a gogo bar, I try to imagine what it must be like for them being confronted by some guy old enough to be their grandfather, who resembles a hirsute version of Margaret Thatcher and weighs about as much as (and smells a great deal like) their favorite water buffalo and still being able to convince the customer that doing something sexual with him is a turn on. I mean put these guys on a used car lot and sales would rocket.