Visited the bar around the corner from Solid last night (the one up the steps). Not been there for ages and found it is even more sleazy than ever. Found none of the boys attractive, mamasan pushy, and am sure I must have walked out with bugs on my clothes.

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Sleazy..... yes... like most of the bars in BKK 20 years ago. How I yearn for the old Twighlight with the couple of outrageous old thai queens and totally out of control horny boys, the original My Way, Super Lek and other long forgotten venues (like the one out of the back door from first floor of telephone bar,) and Apache Boys in Sapan Kwai. All bars where the boys mingled, approached, seduced, played... rather than shuffling endlessly around an elevated platform out of touch and waiting to be bought drinks at 250 bt a pop. I still go to Super A (the one Fountainhall referred to) and haven't got any bugs yet ! ... but do enjoy a good fondle in the back row with the boys who are really quite sweet if you take the time to talk to them... I've even offed a few (but definitely not in their rooms !)

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Totally agree. They were usually such fun. I can even go back as far as the Stockholm joint in Lang Suan where I had my first experience of Bangkok nightlife - and then couldn't stop coming back!

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I disagree to some extent with the two earlier posts on this subject:

1. Boys are paid 25 Baht per hr
2. 30/50Baht turn up fee plus meal

Point 1 is totally incorrect.

Point 2 is true in some bars, mostly in Pattaya, but not in Bkk. Where it is paid it's normally on a monthly basis, say 1.500Baht per month, to try to ensure the boys turn up for work every night. If they dont turn up an amount is deducted and if they get an off with a client then a certain amount is deducted. In reality most bars end up paying out very little at the end of the month.

In addition many bars, both Pattaya and Bkk impose a 'late for work' fine, often 1 Baht per minute, which usually must be paid before they can start work on that night.

It's true that many, but not all, bars provide a meal, and again this is more prevalent in Pattaya. But fall out with the mamasan and ...

For total absence, many bars in Bkk used to have a very strict policy on this:

- One night absent, next evening the boy must pay the off fee for the previous night, and must be paid before he can resume work.
- Two straight nights absent, the boy must pay off fee for two nights plus fine of 200Baht, and must be paid before he can resume work.
- Three straight nights absent, and boy cannot return at all, ever.

The bar where this was applied very seriously was the old Barbiery in Suriwongse Rd. now defunct. This bar also had a policy if boy doesn't get say 4 offs in one calendar month they he had to leave.

Somehow I doubt that these points are still practiced.

Another associated point. It used to be fairly common for bar owners who either 1). lusted after one of the boys, or 2). had a young man who was offed every night, therefore a cash cow, to come up with the deposit money on a motorcycle (to be re-paid to the bar owner in installments), to try to ensure the boy didn't give up work or move to another bar.
Not sure whether still happens but not surprised if it does.

I'm aware of one Thai bar owner (who died perhaps 5 years) who did this regularly but always by making all the arrangements in advance. The boy turns up for work etc., and bar owner says 'I have nice surprise for you', sign here! Boy is trapped. Same barowner expected the working boys to drop their pants in front of whoever was present so bar owner could sucks their cocks. Most boys of course putting up with it to protect their employment.

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A sample of one. Last night I asked Solid their pay rates. Boy gets 100bt if there before 8.. after 8 nothing. Commission 30 - 50bt per drink bought. No food provided.

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I only WISH that Super A was as sleazy as it used to be back in the early to mid 1990s. Nowadays, one can call it sleazy only because it appears the place hasn't been properly cleaned in over a decade. Plus, the "quality" of boys they offer is almost non-existent nowadays.
Ah yes, those glory days when there was Midnight Cowboy and Apache in Saphan Khwai (and back when Be High was good, and even Adam and Aladdin had go-go dancing worth seeing), and the other Silom & Suriwong area places (Super Lex, Blue Star, etc.). Just not much these days that I find remotely as interesting, sexy, or fun.

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