that's entertainment
 

I've never checked out that site, but it appears to offer some of the most entertaining pleas of love that I've seen in ages. Proof that true love (or is that the illusion of love?) is stranger than fiction ...

Emotional nightmare
 

Nalong, you are absolutely correct.

I've mentioned before about my Thai friend Khun S..... who published a Thai Gay magazine for many years (now defunct).

Khun S...... speaks excellent English, and he's told me many many such stories, some bar boys meet clients (both farang and Thai) who take them through an emotional nightmare, including threats of suicide, and more?

Where did he get these stories? When his magazine was in print he regularly visited all the bars (all areas of Bangkok, go-go bars / host bars etc. He and his partner were always looking for photo models, and often got into long conversations with the working boys. They often took groups of 10 or so boys to upcountry locations for photo shoots, thus lots more long converstaions.

In fact when his magazine was in print he often printed some of these stories (with names changed), but most times they were printed in Thai language only.

I can share one story of a farang who lived in Bangkok for many years (now deceased) who was a severe alcoholic. He very often took go-go boys home from bars in Supan Kwai and Patpong. The routine was the same almost every night:

- Farang offs a boy
- Boy has to bundle the quite big man into a taxi because he's so drunk he can barely stand up
- Taxi driver asks for address, boy doesn't know, taxi driver gets angry, farang gets angry, eventually farang stumbles through the address enough times and they eventually arrive at the location
- Boy has to go through the farangs pockets to find some money, boy gets accused of being a thief
- Boy bundles the very drunk man inside, farang collapses on the floor or wherever
- Farang vomits and boy has to clean up the vomit
- Farang sleeps until mid next morning, most times boy stays there to try to be helpful
- Farang eventually wakes up and says 'who are you, what do you want'?
- Boy explains that farang offed him last night
- Farang tells the boy to get out
- Boy asks for tip
- Farang refuses to pay tip ' why should I pay you anything, you didn't give me any sex'.

-- I, for one, must admit to some doubts as to the veracity of this story.
- I would have thought that the problems of being 'offed.' by this man would have spread-around v. quickly and that no self-respecting Thai boi would want to be 'offed.' by him.
-- Bibi. --

Good point, but it takes time for the 'data' to spread widely. In fact two bars in Supan Kwai did prohit the man from taking boys.

On the other hand, if your broke you probablyigive it a try.

-- Last week-end my American friend and I went to PATTAYA.
- At his suggestion we stayed-in the flg. & g*y-friendly hotel -

MIKE HOTEL.,
339, MIKE PLAZA BLDG.,
Nongprue, PATTAYA CITY, 20260.;
- tel.: (038)-422 222-29.;
- web: http://www.mikethailand.com
- e-mail: mikehotel-ptty1@hotmail.com
- loc'n.: above MIKE'S SHOPPING PLAZA, (the whole place rather run-down looking that has seen better days..), wch. stretches between Pattaya Beach rd. and Pattaya 2nd. rd. - roughly mid-way between S. Pattaya rd. & Pattayaland 3. going towards C. PATTAYA.
- Main ent'ce. is on 2nd. rd.;
- NB.: Recept'n. is UP on the 2fl., (US.),; as there is no elevator at street level a porter will carry-up one's bags if requested.

- We chose std. rooms on 5fl. at 800.oo. nett per diem;
- Rooms are std. *** with the usual F&F., but no IN-room coffee/tea-making facilities, and apart from a couple of M*rs B*rs no small snacky foods; although drinks,(alc. & non-alc.), are available; rooms are clean, comfortable and adequate enough;
- Note that C*nd*ms are not provided in the bedrooms; but there is a small pharmacy by the 2nd. rd. ent'ce.;
- There is a small & outdoors' swimming pool for wch. add'n. towels are provided;
- There is a 24/7. cafe/rest., but we did not eat-in;
- There is also a 24hr. laundry svce.
- During our stay the staff appeared to be pleasant and obliging.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

-- On sun., (31st.), evening I went to -

SMART RELAXATION.,
- addr.: Beside 'Older Mike Dept.',
2nd. rd.,
S.PATTAYA, Chonburi;
- tel.: (038)-710 865.;
- web: none.
- loc'n.: roughly 40yds. towards CENT'L. PATTAYA from i'sect. Tnn. S. Pattaya & Pattaya 2nd. rd.; say some 35yds. and on same side as before MIKE'S DEP'T..

- ETA.: approx. 20.30.hrs.;
- It offered a 'Promo.' of 90 mins'. oil massage for 500.Bh. PLUS free 30 mins'. head msg., wch. I accepted.
- Being my first time there I decided to allow its system to take charge, thus I was allocated to Khun Pat, (?),; 30YO. from nr. BKK.; 9 or so yrs. experience as masseur of wch. four are with SMART; speaks for enough English, but not a gt. conversationalist - but then I do pay for the masg. and not for the chat!

-- Massage room measured approx. 6x8ft.; an hole in the wall with the next door room to enable both rooms to share the same air-cond.! Mattress on the floor, covered with cloth; small pillows for one's head.
-
- Khun Pat stayed dressed - white tee-shirt over masseur's trousers - throughout; when I turned-over I enquired if he wasn't too hot? But having turned-DOWN the t'stat. to COLD he wasn't rising to my suggestion.
- I was not offered a pre-msg. shower; but my feet were wiped with a damp cloth before starting the msg..
- A good, thorough & firm massage with plenty of att'n. paid to my *rs*; parts not being massaged were covered with a large & coarse type of towel.
- No hanky-panky, nor any hint, at all.
- Msg. lasted just under the 90 mins. and the head-msg. was approx. 20 mins. duration.

-- A concluding shower. I wasn't too reassured to see exposed electrical conns. on the wall, although I wouldn't expect water to be splashed-UP that HIGH.

-- Back in Recept'n. a cup of hot & herbal tea and, after a polite wish for my return, that was that.

-- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

-- As it was my friend who suggested MIKE'S HTL. I thought that it would be impolite to gainsay him; especially as he has stayed there before, is known to Recept'n. and 'It floated his boat.', as it were.
- I did see several mid-eastern and asiatic-looking men there, but none of them apealed to me - quite the opposite, in fact.

-- For me it is within comfortable walking distance of BOYZ' TOWN & of SUNNEE PLAZA; SANSUK SAUNA isn't too far away, either, is it? Also it's only a few steps to the tpt. to JOMTIEN BEACH.

-- Bibi. --

-- During my long w/e. in PATTAYA I went to JOMTIEN BEACH thrice: fri., (29th.), sat. & sun..
- ETA.: 10.hrs.;
- I went to the section with basically red-colored mat'l. for the deck-chairs just before the hawng nahm, and managed by Khun Om, certainly no prize-winner in the eye-candy stakes, and who delights in wearing the absolute MINIMUM that common decency allows and lets him display his body and to wiggle his sweet & little *rs* to the MAXIMUM - a sight for these sore & olde eyes indeed!
- Not v. many customers in the forenoons; people started to arrive from approx.14.hrs. onwards. On sat. mid-a'noon. there were possibly some 30 customers occupying the 100 or so deck-chairs in Khun Om's area; giving Khum Om plenty of time to socialise and to make himself agreeable.
- Plenty of masseurs and other vendors plying their trades.
- Khun Bia - 40YO.; speaks quite good English - massaged my feet, and a little bit more, daily; on the sun. a'noon. and after promising to give me a 'Special.' massage - the weather looking threatening - he came-back to my room with me. The massage was but so-so and little more than an excuse for him to pleasure himself. Later-on, and after he'd left, I saw that he'd taken with him the small bottle of Scotch! 'Caveat emptor.'.
- I was joined, too, by Khun Toei - 28YO.; short build and dark skinned; fair enough English - who works as a masseur in JOMTIEN PLAZA from the late a'noons. onwards. He has no inhibitions about shewing-off his assets, (u'cut., of avg. length and mouth-fillingly thick: a smoker's delight!), discreetly, of course; I'll allow the hand of discretion to draw the veil of modesty ... .

-- I was there on the sun. a'noon. when some distance away - and as I read later, (The Baht Stop -- Thailand forum.), - a lethal fight broke-out between a couple of DVD. sellers wch. resulted in both of them being taken to hospital.

-- Bibi. --

-- While I was amusing myself elsewhere my friend went to BLUE HOUSE MASSAGE for a relaxing & oil-massage.
- His comments were not too complimentary: run-down with a gen'l. air of decay and of lack of maint'ce., (I gather that that could be applied to much of PATTAYA, or am I being unfair?), fading & peeling wall-paper and such like.
- His masseur is named Khun Lek - small is the name, small is the body and ditto the endowment, wch. - unusually - is c'cised..
- The massage was passable, as were the apres massage delights.
- Possibly not worth any follow-up visits under the 'Three strikes.' rules?

-- Bibi. --

-- How is this H1N1 'flu. affecting the various bars and other places of e'tainment.?
- Are these places taking it in their stride, or is the sit'n. seen as 'All hands to the pumps.' or even worse?
-- Bibi. --

It certainly seems to have killed off Nalong, many of whose posts have been deleted. He's a Pattaya inhabitant, isn't he?

H1N1 flu virus
 

Well would you take a boy at the moment, given that you don't know who he's had close contact with over the last few days, could be from anywhere in the world, and you don't know if he's been kissing his clients?

Quite possibly many of his clients have recently travelled on an aircraft, and of course viruses spread very quickly on aircraft.

And I suggest many bar boys would be seriously unaware or at least quite poorly informed about the situation. And I wouldn't have any confidence that most of the bar owners would be able to understand the situation let alone watch the news and be up to date, etc.

As predicted, the H1N1 virus has taken a long time to get mobile, but as predicted (by WHO) it's now spreading rapidly across many countries, including many of the so called highly developed countries: USA, Australia and many more. And WHO predicts the spread will gain further speed and spread even more broadly.

Pattaya now has over 250 cases reported (from this evenings news).

Dozens of schools are now closed in Bkk and many more closing by the day.

Schools are sending notes home with all children, regardless of whether the child does or does not have symptoms.

The note:
- Outlines the symptoms
- suggests to parents to keep all children at home, no trips to the supermarket, etc., unless any symptoms are present and they should then be taken quickly to a nearby quality clinic.

Hospitals are not being suggested for first visit because health officials (WHO) anticipate that there will be a need for two levels of health facilities needed in the very near future. In other words, if everybody goes to a hospital the system (in many countries) will not be able to cope.

My university is actively and closely monitoring classes and lecturers, and we have been told the university will close instantly if there appears to be any sign of spread on campus.

All lecturers went to a serious and comprehensive briefing this morning conducted by several senior medical staff from the teaching hospital, including some good Q&A, all in English and Thai (compulsory attendance, some classes were delayed).

All senior students who were on campus were also strongly encouraged to attend and asked to become active in monitoring for any students with symptoms.

The fact that the virus can spread quickly in the air was emphasized strongly.

Students who are returning from trips, exchange programs, projects etc., abroad have to get a health certificate before they can return to campus. If they do turn up without certificate, all lecturers have been informed they must personally immediately escort these students to the campus clinic. If they don't, the lecturer concerned will be punished. Masks are now available at many points across the campus.

We were all handed masks on departing the briefing this morning and we were asked to wear the mask whilst in a taxi, bus or any other place where there are crowds of people in close proximity.

All lecturers have been informed there will be a further briefing (attendance compulsory) Thursday morning this week, or earlier if needed necessary.

Small children and middle aged and older people are the most seriously as risk of death (but death not guaranteed).

Seems to me it's time to stock the fridge and lay low. But of course, up to you.

If I wear a face mask while the boy is sucking me off, will that help?

Older people
 

What I've read in the States is that the data are suggesting that older people may actually be at less risk, based on their probably having been exposed to close analogues of the H1N1 virus earlier in their lives when those analogues were making the rounds.

Just wondering whether it's the other way around - the boy wearing the mask while you deep throat his cock.

Then again, maybe might be better for you to wear the mask, then the boy doesn't have to look at your face.

Then again, maybe the mask could be reconstructed into a nice micro white bikini for the boy.

Then again...

Just wondering (since you've posted in a Pattaya thread) that if I don't engage in sex in Pattaya it won't be a problem? The polticians must be loving swine flu - it's distracting attention from the financial mess. And it sells newspapers too, so the media will be beating it up like crazy. Everything points to it being less deadly than the usual strains of flu that go around every year, but Chicken Little is having a great time.

I took off a boy in Pattaya who, once we were back chez moi, was coughing and seemed a bit feverish.

He spoke of the flu, calling it "Mexico."

Since the main focus of my attention was not directly connected to his respiratory system, I figured que sera sera.

A few days later I woke with a killer sore throat that lasted less than 24 hours and have since had very mild common cold symptoms along with off and on slight fever.

This last week I was visited by a friend from Laos who had been treated in hospital for pneumonia and was still a little off during his visit. I was totally impressed that he wrote "pneumonia" in an SMS he sent me before coming for his visit.

I figure whatever is going around, it's better to be exposed now while it's in its formative stages than wait until it turns into THE PLAGUE. Assuming it doesn't mutate too much, I think I should have a degree of immunity now.

This should be of considerable comfort to several of our posters.

As George Bernard Shaw said, "Youth is wasted on the young".

Let's please be fair, the language of this webboard is rightly or wrongly English, but there are many members from many countries who make interesting contributions and their first language is not English (and I don't mean that as any form of criticism).

Just wondering whether some members might like to contribute using English which most can understand by all contributors.

Well, your contribution is in English, but I don't understand it.

If you could reference your carping to some specific non English usage, that would be a big help in understanding what you find not understandable.

-
 

I don't mean "non-English". And I'm not suggesting broken English.

I mean using words which are more likely to be known by the members who have English as their second or third language.

So you'd prefer we all resort to messages such as:

If someone is unfamiliar with a word, then he can ask. If he chose to read an English message board, then this will give him an opportunity to expand his English vocabulary, rather than requiring that everyone who is fluent in English edit their messages to suit the slowest wits in the house.

I wonder how one of these alleged 2nd or 3rd language voyeurs is coping with the likes of this:

Incidentally, there are people who post here in non-standard English ... Pong comes to mind and quite often Sextile... are they to be banished if some of their words can't be understood by someone for whom English is a first language?

I agree - I think it's very silly of posters on a board that is exclusively about sex to use * in the middle of words like condom, fuck or cock. Indeed the word "twee" comes to mind (or is that "tw*e"?) - Twee Definition | Definition of Twee at Dictionary.com

-- Should someone not understand what I've written then there's nothing to prevent him/her from sending me a PM., is there?

-- As a matter of interest: in the passage of mine that you have quoted are there any non-standard English words, abbreviations or whatever that you do not understand? I shall be happy to explain them if asked.
-- Bibi. --

There should be no need for them to send you a PM if you stopped your extremely silly practice of putting an * in certain words.

To each his own
 

Some think "twee," I think "winsome."

Some think "silly," I think "colorful."

I don't understand how a std rm cn be d'scrib'd as p*ssessing the usual f*c*able & f*rgettable (both of which seem to be adj*ct*ves) or is that Fr*dge & fl**rlamps or maybe e'vn fr*LICKsome f*lderol

...

-- Not too long ago in GB. the RSPB. promulgated a ruling that the word 'Cock.' was not to be used in the future: thus no further references to cock pheasants, cock robbin and so on; however, there was no such ruling for the word 'Hen.'.

-- In a spirit of taking that to a farther extreme - super compliance with the ultimate doctrines of being s-o-o-o Politically Correct, (bl*ckboards are now called: 'chalkboards.', 'bl*ck coffee is now 'coffee without milk.' and so on.] - I've decided to insert asterisks so as not to cause any offence to even the most sensitive of our readers, who still walk amongst us.
- Of course some of this is 'Tongue in cheek.' - perhaps our esteemed Khun Moderator, for whom no-one has an higher regard than I do - would consider introducing a suitable 'Smiley.' so as to alert readers? ;)

-- Bibi. --

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I don't understand how a std rm cn be d'scrib'd as p*ssessing the usual f*c*able & f*rgettable (both of which seem to be adj*ct*ves) or is that Fr*dge & fl**rlamps or maybe e'vn fr*LICKsome f*lderol ... .[/QUOTE]

F&F. is Estate Agents'/Realtors' speak for 'Fixtures & Fittings.', wch. I've read & seen often enough now to accept as a standard abbreviation.
- Possibly 'F*c*able & F*rgettable.' is a Thai boi's description of yourself? ;)
-- Bibi. --

That may well be so if all readers and contributors to this Board had English as their first language. Many do not. Use of abbreviations etc. such as you affect is just that - an affectation.

-- 'Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.'.

And do real estate agents refer to boys as "bois" or "boyz?"

Incidentally, concerning your use of "yourself" and "ourselves," since you enjoy commenting on other contributors’ use of English...


“Yourself/myself/himself are reflexive pronouns that have a very limited correct use. We use them when the subject and object of the verb are the same person, or to emphasize that a person performs an action alone.”

Totally agree with you SilomGWM.

Mikes hotel can write in whatever style they like.

What's that got to do with this international webboard?

QUOTE:

"So you'd prefer we all resort to messages such as:


Quote:
See Dick. See Spot. Look at the Spots on Dick's Dick.

If someone is unfamiliar with a word, then he can ask. If he chose to read an English message board, then this will give him an opportunity to expand his English vocabulary, rather than requiring that everyone who is fluent in English edit their messages to suit the slowest wits in the house. ...."



The comments like 'If they don't understand they can ask' , and 'to suit the slowest wits in the house' are arrogant, pompous, and insulting to say the least.

To leap to Sextile's defence, I'm sure he meant it to be helpful & instructive, Pukka sahib and very white man's burden, and never intended to be insulting to say the least.

However, suggesting that everyone should dumb down the English they use to accomodate some participants is a little insulting Scoops.

The Thais that I know who might stoop to spending their time on a website like this, if any, seem quite capable of dealing with the level of English found here.

-- Thank you for the above - appreciated.
- Perhaps you have a source to which you would be good enough to refer me?
-- 'Give instruction to a wise man and he may be yet wiser; ... .'. Pr. IX:9..
-- Apologies for going OFF-Topic. -- Bibi. --

Trolls
 

Looks like some trolls have moved over to this board to harass some of the useful posters. Got tired of causing trouble over at Sawatdee?

English Grammar: Reflexive Pronoun Always glad to assist, though Googling "reflexive pronouns" would probably achieve the same end.

Learn English online - English grammar - Reflexive Pronouns

English Grammar - Reflexive pronouns

... and I also appreciative your ulterior motive ... to end the skirmish and return to the original topic.

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... and I also appreciative your ulterior motive ... to end the skirmish and return to the original topic.[/QUOTE][/color]

-- Thank you for your suggestions - apreciated.
- So let us bury the hatchet!
-- Bibi. --

That will be a relief.