I tend to agree, same old shows, same old whales.

But the very long very detailed post above makes me wonder; has something changed, even a little?

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- But each person makes his or her own rose-tinted glasses.

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Out of curiosity I visited Tawan last night. Indeed nothing has changed at all. Same shows, same whales, same arrogance. Farang sitting next to me (never seen the man before) invitated one of the boys to sit down, and bought him a drink, but within one minute of the drink arriving a captain told the boy to go and sit with another farang customer. Original farang asked same captain "what's hapening?" Reply was "next time" and walked away. Original farang asked me "would you refuse to pay for the drink', which was untouched. I replied to the effect, 'annoying but better to not get into an argument'.

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Everytime that I've been in Tawan over ten years plus the waiting staff, management and boys have been great.

I wouldn't qualify as a regular since over those more than ten years I've probably been in the place no more than ten times, but there certainly are customers who are very, very regular. Since it's a business it would make sense for management to keep those regular customers and/or someone who greases a few palms happy. They exist to make money for the owner and employees not as a charitable trust that massages egos gratis.

I know most farang have a morbid fear about saving face so if they have a boy called away from them they would probably feel badly. Worse still, some farang who feel easily intimidated and out of their element enter the place with a chip on their shoulders seeing arrogance & whales where others see polite Thais & sexy guys. Possibly bars that offer ladyboys and fems would be more suitable and less frightening.

I guess what goes around comes around.

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Are you serious? We're talking about one night at a gogo bar after a period of unrest and towards the end of what might be described as the "high season," and during a time when most farang are happy to justify their cheapness because of the world-wide economic recession and your deduction is:

"proof that all is NOT well in the gogo trade"

Ever hear the expression:"Can't see the forest for the trees?"

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-- Khun Sloot's posting is dated 31 may; this date is well after the end of the High Season wch., for many people, finishes on or about the time of the Songkran Festival in mid-april.
- The fact that FUTURE BOYS in Soi Twilight - off Suriwong rd. - once one of that soi's leading a go go bars, has CLOSED DOWN might lend strength to Khun Sloot's assertion?
- I've been given to u'stand. too - although I've not checked it out for myself - that for most evenings the upstairs DREAM BOYS in soi T'light. does not OPEN either.
- 'Times is hard.': :-(

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I think you missed the point.

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-- Possibly neither the first time nor the last - 555!

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I think Nalong is right - what goes around comes around. In the 5 years since I discovered Tawan, I've never been treated badly by the staff or captain in Tawan before - always a warm welcome and if I don't get my favourite seat by the stage in front of the door next to the runway, they would try to accommodate me by placing a new chair elsewhere that I can get a vantage point to view all the show action.

I know the guys or staff may treat a particular customer coldly if he'd mistreated one of the guys they took OFF before. Without prejudice to what you said, maybe its due to some misunderstanding you had with a guy or a staff before that resulted in the cold treatment.

One time, I heard the staff mention that a customer took a Tawan guy to Pattaya for 3 days with a promise of 10,000THB. During the 3 days, the Tawan guy paid for some of the meals and even the petrol as the customer claimed he didn't have time to change money. At the end of the 3rd day, the customer didn't pay the guy a single cent, so he got one big punch and ended with a bloody nose. The next night, the customer went back to Tawan complain to the boss. But the boss knows the Tawan guy he took out was a very honest and no-nonsense person. So, the boss just listened and ignored the customer. The boss doesn't like customers to mistreat his boys.

Having said the above, I don't mean to say you've been bad to them before. Most likely, you had some misunderstanding way back and the staff/guys remember you for it. Otherwise, you'd be welcome at Tawan for sure.

Anyone whose been to Tawan would know that's the truth.

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This story sounds like b.s. I wonder if they like to make up stories like that just to talk about something. I really doubt the guy would go back and complain.

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Well maybe it is a bullshit story for this thread right now, however I am also aware that there have been many instances over the years of working boys being mistreated / cheated by: foreign customers, Thai customers, bar owners, captains and mamasans, and other barboys.

I've been working in Thailand for over 20 years and visited here very regularly over many years before that as part of a research project based in Singapore. I don't want to make a noise about it, I have felt pain several times for boys who have been cheated and personally assisted them monetarily (and I don't mean loans), and in one instance the Thai editor of a now closed Thai gay magazine (a personal close friend) asked me to see what I could organize for a young man who had been taken for a ride by a farang and into debt for over 200,000 Baht. I approached a long list of farang who I knew personally or as acquaintances and we eventually we got the young man out of the clutches of a nasty loan shark.

So NO I don't have a history of cheating or mistreating, or upsetting Tawan boys, however I will add that the last time I offed a Tawan boy, quite some years ago (he was all sweet and polite on the premises) we went outside the bar and I mentioned that we would walk to the Suriwongsw hotel. He indicated strongly and loudly that he had no intenion of walking anywhere and rudely demanded a taxi (to the Suriwongse). I gave him 100 Baht and walked away.

He possibly went back inside and told the staff / working boys that I was a cheap chalie. If he did, to be honest I'm not very concerned.

Prior to the 'event' mentiond just above there was a long time gap when I didn't take any boys from Tawan because of previous incidents of lots of promises in the discussion but failure to perform in bed, and NO I am not demanding, I'm into pretty much vanilla sex.

On a different angle, some seem to think that the owner is Mr. Nice Guy, well to those with this opinion I suggest you do a little further research.

But back to the post I made a few days ago, I described a situation which happened to the man sitting next to me (who I had never seem before in my life). I was not personally involved.

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Perhaps I was a bit trigger happy with the send button earlier.

Take it that I said: "the other farang probably had a bad misunderstanding with some other boy before."

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How in the world did that Thai get into the hole over 200,000 baht? How did the farang suck him into that? I'm curious to read stories about what farangs have done--please post more--it's fascinating. Maybe that story about the 10,000 baht guy is totally true. I'm continually amazed to see what weird selections gay people make (who they chase after, who they reject, who they stay with, what choices they make).

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Regarding XFUN's remarks about Tawan Bar owner(sorry, no idea how to put quotes in here)

I am not really into the muscle guys but I have known the owner since 1991, when he had a very nice birthday party for me. He is a very nice guy, takes care of his staff - even keeping on full staff and paying them full salaries in spite of the obvious slowdown in customers. Some of his bar staff have been with him as long as I have been going there so he must be doing something right by them.

He is also spending a lot of his money helping build a home for underpriveledged and homeless kids - and before you say it, no - he is not into kids - he has had some very handsome, butch and mature (over 25)relationships that I have seen over the years.

I might suggest you not make disparaging remarks about someone you apparently do not know.

I only go to Tawan when a good friend from the US is in town and have been there three times in the past few weeks. As many have mentioned, a lot of the guys were previously getting out of shape (to put it politely) but recently, they are back in shape, very friendly and a few who have just plain NICE bodies without the excessive exercise appearance.

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the second sentence of your post disqualifies you from being objective on the topic. in any case, who cares about tawan's owner and his humanitarianism?

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