-- Could it be the long defunct OBELISK?
- Off-hand I can't recall all that many other multi-storey saunas.

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Definitely not Obelisk from the description.

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Anything on STYLE sauna in silom?

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Went there last week on a weekday from 6 to 8pm. There were about 6 customers wandering around; no spring chickens or gym bunnies were seen, 2 of them were mature farangs, and the rest were Asians, at least 1 was non-Thai (me).

The place is very stylish, very 1980's NY style with a lot of bare concrete and industrial materials, even has streetlamps on the 2nd floor. Chatted with the owner and designer of the place, the sauna is not completely furnished yet.

The admission charge was B150 with a free admission coupon for the next time. To me, the place is safe and conveniently located, a perfect short time hotel to have fun with the rough trades from Rama IV and Lumpini. Furthermore, if the rough trade does not deliver, one could stay on and look for another trick among the customers :-)

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thks! I wonder how it will be on weekend nites and late like after babylon closes at 10 and too early for the bars ! will have a look lateron myself

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visited heaven sauna last friday. entrance fee somewhere around 120 baht. fairly busy at 7pm. 2 or 3 other farangs. a few very good looking locals (with muscular bodies). sadly, all gymfit looking locals avoided all farangs (me including). the good news is that farangs weren't too choosy and all (possibly except one) got someone.

there were also two very muscled locals. one of them cruised a chubby local. sat with him on the bench and massaged his hand. not sure whether they knew each other, or massaging hands is a sign of interest, or the muscular guy was a prostitute hunting for off-peak trade. both muscular guys avoided farangs as well.

sauna mania: haven't been there during daytime, but my friend visited daytime and reported that locals weren't interested in white guys at all. I visited the place after dj on saturday and sunday (both times around 4am). there were still some guys inside. on the first occasion, two muscular guys; on the second one gymfit guy. each time, there were a few (2-3) gwm cruising. in general, somewhat better looking locals weren't interested in white guys. i could easily pick up the average looking guys (who don't work out, but aren't fat) if i wanted. most guys at sauna mania were very young, very slim, and around 5'8.

babylon: haven't been there yet, but my travelling companion visited last monday and reported that the whole large section with showers, big steam room, jacuzzi and a cruising maze was closed. the only section opened was the one next to the changing rooms. the only steam room operating was the one next to the swimming pool. no hot (gymfit) asians, except the regulars/prostitutes, who sit around the gym.

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I noticed a long time ago that very little sex leading to orgasm actually happens in U.S. saunas -- they're mainly places where asexual, useless, queeny types end up to "exist" in a gay place (walk around a little to pose, engage in some gayspeak, get a room and sleep alone in it, etc.) -- this might be another reason why the Western saunas are in decline. I suppose young normal guys who want sex with other young guys are turned off by this total (and pathetic) waste of time.

My experience in Bangkok is the opposite--lots of hot guys who are there for hot sex--and lots of guys going into rooms and having hot sex.

Also, as to bars, I think a lot of gay bars go out of business here in the U.S. for the same reason: a certain element of weird queens (who are NOT interested in sex--but instead just want to pose, play weird mind games, etc.) takes over and the place ends up closing. I've always had the thought that someone should try opening a bar or sauna that ruthlessly screens who they let in--even excluding a lot of young guys. Also, one of my first observations when I entered the cruising world around 1984 was that most gay people who smoke cigarettes are a total waste of time (I think their brain's reaction to nicotine removes sex drive or substitutes for it).

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