-- Chatting with a farang, (he's lived here for a couple of decades and is enviably fluent in spoken & written Thai.), he opined that this web-site was amongst the worst things to have happened to The Kingdom's gay scene.
- Allegedly he has a large circle of acquaintances through the whole gamut of Thai society: some scholastic, others business and a good few with reaches into various gov't. dep'ts.?
- "Why?", I queried.
- 'Because it's so explicit with places, names and suchlike.', he replied. For good measure he added that BKK's. Finest are avid, but anonymous, readers.
- Should the above be true then possible we posters should avoid mentioning names, boyz' nos. and other pers. & identifying features except by requested PM.?
-- E&OE. --

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The fluent and well-connected one should check out the Thai language gay sites.Cruising for sex is very tame and I doubt very influential.

A raid/arrest caused by a lead from here ? My paranoia scale reaches 0.

Only opining and alleging though.

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I mentioned to a certain Thai individual in a retail/bar/sauna establishment or suchlike that I would put the details of his service/s on the web. 'Oh no' he cried. 'Not there please....' 'OK OK. I won't no problem...' This said I think Kuhn Sextile has a point.

While I think the bulk of what we put up is readily available to most anyway in other ways I think it wise not identify individs as Khun Sxtl says. This I will do and put (PM) beside details so you and the BIB will have to email me to get the info!! Ha haa

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The quantity and detail of information posted here is just a speck compared to what appears on Thai boards like Palm Plaza and TMM.

There is nothing here that doesn't appear in the vernacular on those sites...times about a thousand.

Sextile, your friend may be well-intentioned, but he has certainly not thought things through very well. Either that, or he is unaware of what kind of stuff is posted on Thai language boards.

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I am happy to be less explicit and bow to the experience of Thai nationals in this regard. I very much have my "L" plate on when it comes to Thai culture and would not want to put such a beautiful people at risk. Thank you for the advice.

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-- Not being all that good at reading Thai I am prepared to acknowlege and to accept your superiority in this matter and subsequent judgement.
- A possibly ignoble thought did course through my mind which is that concerned Authorities conceivably might look-at native sites MORE leniently than farang sites, were push to come to shove? (After all - from time to time - we do see pictures of non-native paedophiles in the media, yet I don't recall seeing pictures of any non-farang paedos.],.

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Lots of factors at play.

First, most of the farang pedos are done in not because of the Thai police, but because of the foreign police units and NGO's that are specifically out there looking for them in places like you-know-where.

Second, cases of Thai diddling aren't usually considered newsworthy as far as the English-language press is concerned -- though there are sometimes reported when it involves a teacher or other person in authority or with a high profile. I can recall five or six cases from the past couple years.

Third, Thai pedophiles are much, much smarter and more discrete than their foreign counterparts. They would not be seen dead anywhere near a bar full of kids in their underwear, (much less take one out of one), and generally blend into the scenery much better.

As for the Thai police, I really don't think they care one way or another until someone complains -- like a foreign police unit, NGO, or the kid's parents. Or, until they are looking to make a buck (and in which case a farang is obviously a good target).

As for plain old cruisers, I think it's pretty unbelievable that police would care enough to monitor a foreign language website. They don't need us to tell them where cruising occurs. Some of the places we talk about (like the theaters and the parks) have been cruising places for decades and decades. Others (like the department stores) are no secret, either. The shop owners know what's going on, the guard and cleaning companies know what's going on, and the mall owners know what's going on.

Believe me, there are no secrets that a bunch of farangs are going to tell the Thai police on a web board.

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-- Thank you for your reasoned reply.
- Doubtless I'll be seeing my farang acquaintance within the next few days and I shall be pleased to put your replies to him and shall attend to his reactions and replies.

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I can see the headline now "After CFS lead police raid obscure massage parlour for giving dreary service"

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There's another point to add.

I've heard many times that local undercover police are everywhere in patpong and all the similar locations, and they regularly chat up the working girls and boys:

- To keep themselves regularly infomed about what shows are taking place, illegal workers, etc., etc.
- To get information about reported incidents, problems, etc.

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For sure, they know EXACTLY what is happening in every single bar in Patong, every day of the week.

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Of course, the police don't need to monitor this website to see what's happening in the gay bars. They just ask when they go by to pick up their monthly tea money. Or they ask the moto drivers....

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And this polyglot with influential friends in high places chats with them about gay websites devoted to "cruising for sex" and about what bottom-rung police officers are up to?

If you tour the bar beers on Walking Street late at night you'll find a whole lot of people claiming to have important friends with similar inside track information on what's going on in government circles & what the current police tactics are. The drunker it gets, the easier it will be to find them.

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High status get to be that by being discreet and also discerning about who to be friend.

In Bangkok many on scene suffer from relevance deprive syndrome.Take with grain of salt what you hear at Dick's.

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In any country you need to make some decisions on what to believe and what is simply bullshit and some attempt at looking important etc. And let's be honest this country seems to attract a fair share of these types.

Been here more than 20 years, I've overheard many conversations at Dicks, and many other venues (let's not suggest this is confined to Dicks) which are just total fantasy, total bullshit, total invention, just ridiculous.

I was recently at Panorama and overheard a farang saying that Essan now has a policy to breed bar boys. Same farang also saying that there is a policy/process which ensures that every family from Essan has at least one boy or girl working in Pattaya in the sex trade.

I have an acquaitance from Australia (retired government clerical worker, been coming here for one week holiday every three years for perhaps 20 years, now about 70 years old). Back in Melbourne he tells his friends:

- That he contacts his senior police friend in advance who organises new boys to be available in at least 3 venues in both Bkk and Pattaya.

- That he has a secret police body guard which follows him 24 hours a day.

- That the body guard ensures that he doesn't come in contact with his previous conquests because there is a danger they might commit suicide if they know he's been to Thailand without contacting them.

- That he's so well known, boys desire him so much that when he visits boys insist on sleeping with him free, and often buy him dinner.

I can also recall an English language school which had to quickly get rid of one young farang who was sent out to teach at various company premises and was telling the HR staff and the students that a secret 'hot line' had been installed to his apartment so that the PM (toxin era) could ring him at any time for advice.

Can you imagine toxin asking a farang for advice about anything? Let alone a 'hot-line'....

In reality you could count on less than one hand the total number of farang who have regular discussion with hi-so thais, senior people in the police, the beaurocracy, etc.

None of these people are remotely interested in what farang think, advice from farang, etc.

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