I've been to Shenzhen (on business) and the place has almost no redeeming features whatsoever. It is ugly, crowded, polluted, unfriendly, and has zero history or culture.

I can't really see traveling there for a couple dingy saunas and massage parlors...but I may be in the minority!

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Whilst I haven't done the sex venues, I agree with comments re Shenzen city. Hotels would be cheap c/f HK, but language/ communication would be a REAL problem. KL or Singapore are better alternatives to BKK if you need to escape the Songkran mayhem

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-- Khun Icon & Biggles thank you for yr. replies; as there remains plenty of time before next year's Songkran fest'l. we'll see if any MORE replies will be forthcuming?
- But would tend to think, from having read what you've written, that SHENZHEN might be better for just a day's visit? In wch. case we'll have to look-at the cost of the req'd. visas and so on, and then decide on viability?

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I think the main cost (for a day visit) would be the hotels in HK !! The train to Shenzen takes 40 mins and costs next to nothing. When you exit the chinese end of the train station, you are right in the middle of the city which then stretches in either direction clinging to the border. Not sure about visa cost - I have an APEC card so travel throughout Asia Pacific (inc Thailand) visa free

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-- I wouldn't disagree with yr. assessment of hotel's costs in HK.!
- Having availed of search-engine Google and entered 'APEC Card.' I can well see its advantages for an on-business & frequent traveller.

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-- Is KL. all that good? It must be a dozen or MORE yrs. since I visited.

-- I enquire as my elderly & WYSIWYG. American Friend has a middle-aged, Malay & professional friend visiting from KL. right now and staying for several days
- I asked my American friend why so-and-so was visiting when surely there must be plenty of opportunities for cruising, visiting massage-parlors, going to saunas and so? Apparently not so; although there was a suggestion that the Malay g'man. prefers not to take any chances of being recognised on his home-ground - hence his preference for visiting BKK. twice or thrice per annum: preferably places like that well-known cinema in SAPHAN KWAI.

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KL is a personal best for me - whether its Blue Boy Bar, local gay sauna or Gay Romeo, I find more cock than I can handle - and it never costs me a cent. Blue Boy is a unique combined bar, disco, H.N. and pick up venue where GWM are swooped on and either escorted to the H.N. for perving or action, or asked to go "some-where private." My personal bests are
- walking in alone , being approached and leaving with a new friend for the night 5 minutes later. (19 y.o. btm not money boy)
- walking in alone chatting up 2 19 & 20 y.o. friends, & taking them, and a 3rd cutie back to my hotel for the most amazing night I can remember,

Moslem boys in particular are horny as hell and always up for the chance to have discrete sex with a visiting farang.

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-- Khun Biggles,
- Rather than venture too far OFF-Topic in this thread I've addressed a query to you about KL's. gay/gay-friendly hotels in the general Asia thread and for the favor of yr. att'n. and reply.
-- Thanks in advance.

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I can't figure out why people go to Thailand when the Malaysians seem better and easier to meet. I have heard this from other people. I'm thinking about quitting my visits to Bangkok and trying Kuala Lampur, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. But Tokyo was a total waste when I checked it out for 2 days. In Asia, I have only been to Thailand, and the one short stayover in Tokyo (I only cruised around Shijuku area and found it impossible to meet anyone). I just think that Thailand is worn out (decades of farangs paying money). Here in the U.S. I have observed that Thai think they're something special (they think all the Americans are ga-ga over them) while Malaysians are more genuine and high-quality (smart, good jobs, etc.). And I heard that Malaysians are all fluent in English.

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I agree Japan is difficult. Many gay venues refuse Gai-gin entry (they think we all have HIV or are genetically inferior.) Having said that I used to have success at GB bar and once picked up a Japanese version of Tom Cruise (with a whopper cock) walking around Shin-juku. Osaka is much friendlier, but still not easy.

In Singapore Backstage Bar and Tantric are good for hook ups, as is Raffles City Mall (3rd floor) and Gay Romeo .

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when in japan (tokyo/osaka), i seem to be able to get only non-japanese muscled guys. the japanese i can get tend to be average looking. gb has got local potato queens, most of whom are well below average look-wise. arty-farty is better. in any case, there are very few hunky gay japanese. even in the gyms, gays are not muscular.

sg is full of sticky rice. ok place if u're not choosy and don't mind having sex with professional potato queens (those asians who go for the white guys, any white guys).

haven't been to kl for a very long time. but i agree that it's worth revisiting.

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I dare say that this is a somewhat outdated view of shenzhen. the city's certainly not ugly if one likes modern cities. it has little history. agree. afterall, it didn't exist 30 years ago! lots of moneyed class people from hk now travel to shenzhen on a regular basis (which they didn't do just a few years back). on my recent trip, my companion spotted a second (or third or whatever) wife of one of hk's very prominent businessman.

it makes no sense to visit shenzhen just to go to saunas. but it's a great place for a day or two. food is good (and priced at the same level as food in bkk). shopping is good too. regular massage is cheaper than in bkk.

people are in general friendly and many really want to practice english.

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I visited Shenzen with a business associate recently. He went crazy in the shops around the station buying copy I-Pads, phones and watches and announced his proud purchases to our Chinese client. The client looked at my friend as if he was crazy and said "oh no, we go to HK for our shopping - everything here is junk !"

Anyway I now have a copy I-pad, 2 phones and 3 watches I didn't need - but it was fun and they took our money with a big smile

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I will doing a return trip to HK in Oct/Nov .. can another suggest some other saunas to go to the TST, central areas? Been only to Galaxy and ABC .. Thnx

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go to Towel Club in Causewaybay: a higher than usual number of caucasians visiting the place suggests the presence of some potato queens.
in Central, Central Escalator specializes in rice/potato market.

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