I'm not telling anyone what to do, but I think that the idea that Oral Sex is totally safe is probably wrong. I've been an avid cocksucker for years, and I've not practiced anal sex...and I'm HIV Positive today. I'm not trying to scare anyone or ruin oral sex for anyone...I'm just trying to say that you ought to know that there is risk involved. Of course, everything we do in life has risk...so you have to decide your level of comfort. Having HIV isn't the end of the world...but it's no picnic, either.

I find it interesting to read that some men find no enjoyment when having their cocks sucked while wearing a condom.

When a BEAUTIFUL, HOT, MAN pulls your soft meat into his mouth and uses that facial orifice to bring you to climax he is giving you a BLOWJOB.
With a condom, and your partners enthusiasm, you now have available to you your partner's throat. A willing and accomodating throat takes the two of you to a whole new sexual plateau. You no longer lay back and wait for the sensual feel of a warm mouth, barely felt through a latex covering, to arouse you. You up the ante by using this hot stud's throat to get off. You FUCK HIS FACE! Grasp his head with both hands and force your meat down his throat. Ride his face and present each stroke past his tonsils as a gift to him. Believe me, you will feel this!! And so will he.

Protection is the second best policy to avoid STDs and HIV. Always take precautions. But their is no sense in settling for a boring blowjob when we can create an incredible bond with a "sharing partner". Plus, a man who has just gagged and choked on your long, hard cock is always incredibly affectionate when you bend down to kiss his wet lips. A THROAT FUCK is a special gift to a man. It is a special gift from a man. It is a gift from both to both.

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to latinobottom......trust me, there is absolutely NOTHING sick and/or perverted about swallowing cum. i actually find your statements intriguing, seeing how you consider yourself a "bottom". if two people are in a monogamous relationship, and both are "clean", there's no harm in it. i am in such a relationship, and i look forward to my man giving me that which is himself when i suck him. we also try making it interesting....getting out the ole hershey's chocolate syrup and pouring some on his cock. man it's terrific!....and when he cums the combined taste of his jizz and the chocolate just sends me over the edge!!

so, if you're clean and your partner is clean, what's the problem?

eater

IT'S NICE TO KNOW THERE ARE GUYS LIKE daddydick8 OUT THE WHO REALLY KNOW HOW TO FEED A COCKSUCKER LIKE ME PROPERLY. I'M 54 YEARS OLD AND HAVE BEEN SUCKING COCK SINCE I WAS 12. BACK WHEN I FIRST STARTED I HATED IT WHEN A GUY WOULD COME IN MY MOUTH. I WOULD PULL AWAY TO AVOID IT. THEN ONE DAY THIS GUY WAS SLOWLY AND GENTLY FUCKING MY MOUTH, HIS COCK EXPANDING BY THE MINUTE. I FELT TOTALLY IN CONTROL. HE TOLD ME HE WANTED ME TO TAKE HIS COME IN MY MOUTH, AND WHEN I TRIED TO PULL AWAY HE LET ME BACK OFF ONLY UNTIL THE HEAD AND ABOUT 2 INCHES WERE STILL IN ME. HE GENTLY BUT FIRMLY HELD MY HEAD IN PLACE, AND JUST POURED THE SWEETEST TASTING NECTAR INTO MY MOUTH, THEN TOLD ME TO SWALLOW IT AND LICK HIS COCK CLEAN. I WAS HOOKED, AND FROM THAT DAY ON VOWED TO BECOME THE BEST COCKSUCKER/SWALLOWER I COULD BE. IT WASN'T TIL ABOUT 11 YEARS AGO I BECAME HIV+; THAT BEING THRU ANAL SEX. I KNOW THAT I CAN'T INFECT ANYONE BY SUCKING THEM OFF SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO LAY BACK AND BE SERVICED COMPLETELY WITHOUT HAVING TO RECIPROCATE, I'M HERE TO PLEASE. I LOVE IT WHEN A GUY SHOOTS IT IN MY MOUTH, BUT IF HE INSISTS ON SHOOTING IT WHILE HE'S BURIED IN MY THROAT, I JUST ENCOURAGE HIM BY TONGUING HIS TIGHTENED-UP BALL SACK WHILE HIS COCK IS HAVING IT'S WAY WITH MY THROAT.
AND IF I EVER RUN INTO daddydick8, I'LL MAKE SURE HE HAS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY, AS PAUL HARVEY WOULD SAY. FROM 1985, WHEN I TESTED NEGATIVE ON 3 CONSECUTIVE TESTS, TO 1988 WHEN I TESTED POSITIVE, I HAD ANAL SEX 3 TIMES. I HAD ORAL SEX A GOOD DEAL MORE THAN THAT, ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T EVEN WEEKLY. SO WHILE IT IS POSSIBLE I GOT INFECTED THROUGH ANAL SEX, IT IS ALSO VERY LIKELY I GOT INFECTED THROUGH ORAL SEX. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "SAFE" SEX! I HAVE NEVER HAD AN OPPURTUNISTIC INFECTION TO BE CLASSIFIED AS HAVING AIDS, BUT "ADVANCED HIV DISEASE" HAS CAUSED WASTING SYNDROME, WHICH TOOK ME FROM 200 LBS DOWN TO 158 IN A 3 MONTH PERIOD. HIV MEDICATIONS HAVE CAUSED SEVERE INTESTINAL DISORDERS, DIABETES, AND UNTOLD ACHES AND PAINS. NEW MEDICATICATIONS HAVE RESTORED ME TO FAIRLY GOOD HEALTH, BUT AT TREMENDOUS COST.
WHEREAS I THOUGHT I WOULD BE DEAD YEARS AGO, I AM NOW LOOKING FORWARD TO RETIREMENT IN THE FUTURE. BUT IT AIN'T EASY, GUYS. THE NEUROPATHY FROM THE DRUGS, THE GENERAL ACHES AND PAINS ARE A CONSTANT REMINDER EVERY DAY THAT I AM INFECTED. SO MY ADVICE IS THIS: THINK FIRST ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN HONESTLY SAY " THE RISK IS WORTH IT" PEACE!

I've read these posts with consideable interest and I appreciate the sincerity expressed in all the posts. I have a question for all of you, has anyone aware of whether psoriasis is communicable? About 20 years ago I developed an awful rash on the head of my dick. This was when herpes was the STD of fashion and one doctor I went to diagnosed it as such. His medication did nothing and the rash got worse. A skin specialist took one look at it and diagnosed it as psoriasis, prescribed some cortesone and it was gone in 10 days. I sometimes have dry skin patches re-occuring but everything clears up with a little dab of cortesone. My current skin specialist says it's more common than I might think. I sometimes wonder if I contracted it during oral sex and if I might pass it along during oral sex. My doctor says no. Is anyone else familiar with this?

Very interesting reading and I must admit I have pre-cum a lot but you guys sure know your stuff.

Daniel...Toronto

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I read all the posts from the last 60 days. For me they show what I guess I knew - oral sex does provide an avenue to HIV. That goes for both sides. Also, I know that in many countries, and more and more in the U.S., HIV and AIDS, not to mention STDs in general, are contracted in heterosexual relationships. It is possible to be lucky or a good friend of God. I am bi, but for 30 years or so, my greatest delight was getting drunk and eating the pussy and fucking every kind of female whore that I could find. In the U.S. they were usually really bad as I did not have the money or connections to pay a lot. In Latin America the girls were beautiful, usually friendly, unrushed, willing to do whatever, and (best of all) inexpensive. In 1978 I quit drinking and fucking whores. That is when all hell broke lose with HIV and other STDs. Luckily for me I never caught anything at all even though I never used a condom. My "protection" was to stick to professionals and preferably older ones. I only returned to the non-monogomous sex world five years ago, but so far only with JO and massage with guys. Concern about HIV/AIDS and other STDs is mostly why. I would like to find condoms good for oral sex, the guy to use them with, and a hardon thanks to Viagra.

I've often wondered whether or not swallowing was safe. I've heard so many different opinions even from experts (researchers, etc.) that I honestly don't know what to believe. I do believe that cuts or sores in your mouth are an avenue to infection whether it be from pre-cum or cum. I try to minimize my risk by not flossing or brushing prior to going out (mouthwash or gum can sweeten the breath). I don't always swallow, but have at times. In all honestly I really enjoy the fact that a guy has shot in my mouth. It's a turn on for me. I am totally repulsed by sucking on a condom and when I first came out I asked a guy too and got turned down. It was the last time and I have been out for 11 years now and am HIV negative. Maybe I've been lucky. I don't know.

Guys, I don't think you will find a "documented" case of HIV as a result of oral sex. I've worked at a hospital for years and talked to many MD's and they have said the same thing: something in the saliva kills the virus. I'm not saying everyone should go right ahead and swallow, but I certainly don't think the risk even comes close to that encountered in anal sex.

You're wrong Jack, DEAD wrong. All you have to do is read through this forum to see there are many cases of guys who got HIV from oral sex. Since I wrote my article, I have received several letters from people who work in STD clinics and say they have seen increasing numbers of HIV infections from oral. As for finding a "documented" case--just what does that mean? How many cases from anal sex have been "documented" and what does that entail? Did a printed receipt pop out of their ass? I used to fool myself with the "documented" rationalization and look where it got me. As for saliva killing HIV, there would have to be a lot of saliva and very little cum present to kill all the virus. A study in the August issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology shows that oral sex is about 10 times less risky than receptive anal sex. But remember, LOW risk does not mean NO risk.

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Most elementary sources on HIV transmission say that sucking cock is in itself a low risk activity (low meaning low, but non-zero) and that risk can increase when you have cuts or bruises in your mouth, and when you let the guy cum in your mouth or swallow his cum (whether because cum is more infectious than pre-cum or just because there's more of it, I don't know - but the result is just the same).

So, sad as it might be (it could happen to me too) I don't see why the fact that someone got HIV from swallowing cum should be so much of a wonder to anyone. We can discuss whether spitting it out reduces the risk rather than swallowing, or we can talk about why we are willing to take some risk, like some of the previous postings did - even in a hot detailed way. But arguing that sucking cock or swallowing cum are *zero* risk activities is like claiming that aliens exist and want to invade us. I really wonder where you guys got the grounds to prove that. Especially in front of evidence like fjdk's (how's it going for you, by the way?).

Thank you for your concern. I'm doing pretty good physically. It appears I don't have a resistant strain and my viral load is undetectable using the standard test (less than 400). I'm going to have an ultra sensitive test, which is accurate down to 50, soon. Mentally, I still have some adjustments to make. Most of the time I'm optimistic but the current drugs aren't a cure--far from it. I worry about the side effects. I'm planning to write an update article in a month or so.

man, how great to see this board. most of you seem to be serious and offering good anecdotal and documented advice. swallowing(and sucking) are not safe-they are safer than some other forms. so each of you needs to arm yourself with information to decide if you are going to take the risk. i find the story about the pre-cum infection hard to swallow(!). you haven`t replied to the guy who asked for info on further encounters, since you broke your monog, record. if you story is true you need to let appropriate researchers know so they can pursue this evidence.have you? pre-cum(yes,bighardguy) is not a likely source of seroconversion and that IS because of the quantity. you are wromg. one cell of hiv is not a likely sorce of seroconversion. there are 1,000 of sources of info on hiv on the web. turn your search engines loose and arm yourself with knowledge. from an hiv+ survivor.

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Yes, I agree with you. The best part of giving good head is to swallow a man's hot load for him. I feel that I worked for it, it is my just dessert (smile).

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What a great afternoon!!! Spending reading all of these hot and informative posts. I've just got to contribute here!
I'm a 55yo Bimwm and have been sucking cock since I was around 15. Most girls at that time wouldn't do it and there was a strange guy in the area who did. Well I let him suck me, watched him swallow it while he stroked himself. When he saw me watching him and staring at his meat he took my hand and placed it around it. I remember shaking with excitement as I started to stroke it. He saw I was rock hard again and urged me to take it in my mouth. I knelt down and blew another load as soon as I felt the taut skin of his shaft slide across my lips and tongue. He grabbed my hair and fucked my mouth furiously. In seconds he shot streams of cum down my throat and I gulped it all. Since then I've always had to swallow when my partners cum. Its more of a craving then anything else. I've only spit a few times and then it was only because I couldn't swallow it all fast enough and started to gag. I continue to this day but now take more precautions. I don't brush or floss until afterwards. I rinse my mouth and gargle with a hydrogen peroxide solution after each time. I don't swish the cum around like I used to to savor the taste and consistency. Yes!!! I love sucking and swallowing.

Well this has really given me something to think about. I am 23 and have been sucking cocks since I was 14. In total I must have sucked close to 500 cocks. Just this past summer when I was in London UK I sucked 94 cocks between May and August (yes I track them in a diary).

I have always been very well versed about STDs. I have had gonorrhea and a form of NSU on a couple of occasions. Scabies and crabs at other times but nothing more serious. Even so, I became a voracious reader of health material and became an "expert" on syphillis, Chlamydia, herpes, genital warts, Hepatitis etc. With HIV too I always thought I knew everything. Now I am beginning to wonder. I was always told that oral sex was *very* low risk and that no one has been recorded as catching HIV solely through fellatio. These posts contradict that. Now I am scared. I went for my screen two days ago and am waiting for my results. However these won't cover my most recent escapades in London, since antibodies take 12 weeks to appear.

I have always disliked swallowing cum and until recently only swallowed maybe 5 guys cum. However, on one night in a London park I sucked 13 cocks and in the heat of the moment swallowed the cum from 4 of them. I had never swallowed a stranger's cum before and was very angry with myself afterwards. Combine this with the crazy fact that I fucked two guys without a condom on two separate occasions (I cannot believe I was so stupid. Again the heat of the moment caused me to lose touch with my brain) and I am scared shitless.

It is an understatement to say that I am wondering if it was worth it. I am at university completing my second degree. I have a promising career in front of me. I am extremely ambitious and have great plans for the future. I love life and the thought of contracting HIV will be the most terrifying thing imaginable for me. Yet at the same time I LOVE sucking cock and have an insatiable appetite for sex. When on holiday I usually suck from 3-20 different cocks a week. During the school year I am in the tearooms, bathouses and parks. There is no way I can give up sucking cock. There is also no way I can get into sucking a cock wrapped in plastic.

My solution? I guess I shall just have to keep it as low risk as possible: 1. Suck youngish cock (awful thing to say I know) since odds are that they have encountered fewer men than an older cock and consequently are less likely to have a disease (not necessarily true I know). 2. Refrain from brushing teeth before hand. 3. Don't deep throat. 4. Don't swallow. Fortunately I much prefer seeing I guy cum than having him cum in me.

All in all I am not a happy camper! Why must the good things in life be bad for you! Sucking cock, eating fatty foods etc. Someone has a cruel sense of humour.

If you noticed, I was the third guy to reply to this thread, back on April 27th. I just thought I'd stop in and say "hi".

Hi guys! I need your advise. I am a compulsive oral sex addict, I love to suck cocks and can never get enough. I usually don't swallow cum but in a few occassions when my partner is so damned gorgeous, I can't help myself but swallow everydrop of his load. In the last few weeks, I have experienced something totally new to me twice, that is to swallow pee from guys. In both occassions, I was fondling their cocks after they shoot big loads, since I found it extremely sexy that the cocks would remain steel hard after ejaculating, I can' resist to suck some more. Then suddenly I felt warm water starting pouring into my mouth. Both men have down loaded their pee slowly and I have managed to swallow them all, although I have to admit there were a few second I almost wanted to pew. Would I get anything from swallow this? I am not into water sport, but when it comes to big cocks, I would give myself in...

I think all of you don't know anything about HIV transmission during oral sex. These are facts. The reason people don't tend to catch HIV from oral sex is because HIV when exposed to the open air dies within a few seconds. Your mouth naturally contains oxygen found in your saliva, the saliva kills the HIV before reaching your soft tissue. When you deep through, there is less saliva there, therfore less oxygen. So it is almost the same as unprtected anal sex. The throat tissue is extremely sensitive and can become irritated providing perfect transmission for the virus. Suck cock opening your mouth every so often, produce lots of saliva and immediately withdraw if the guy is about to cum or if he's spewing lots of pre-cum.

Being a gay man and also involved in the AIDS research profession, I find this string to be fascinating. Over time through discussions with colleagues and research results I have come to a few conclusions.

The transmission of HIV is quite possible through any kind of unprotected sex. We never know when we may have some kind of inflammatory process or break in the mucous membranes of the oral cavity. You can make sure you haven't brushed your teeth or flossed before you engage in sucking that gorgeous uncut dick but the truth is that many people have gingivitis even if they seem to have good oral hygeine(if you brush your teeth and don't get them cleaned regularly you probably suffer from gingivitis or some other asymtomatic periodontal affliction). Any kind of inflammatory process ie: gingivitis cold sores(herpes) apthous ulcers or allergies compromises the integrity of your mouth. The fable that you have to have a cut or sore or laceration in your mouth is plain fantasy! Believe me I still do my share of cum swallowing it has proven to be a source of great satisfaction and a big turn-on.

Having unprotected sex of any kind is a calculated risk and ranges from protected sex(Rubber encased dick) to full on Barebacking and the exchange of bodily fluids. I make no judgements about any of this behavior. Being fully informed is something we all should be.

Someone in this string spoke of the viability of deepthroating vs just taking the cum in your mouth. From the current volume of research ( some of which is good and some bad) HIV has been blamed for being the virus behind the disease called aids. Science in some ways mimics religion in that people who are believers become dogmatic and inflexible. Science is like any other discipline in the sense that we have never really arrived and when we begin to think that we have nature tends to bite us on the backside! HIV may not be the sole factor that causes AIDS. Currently many researchers are rethinking the factor of HIV and AIDS. Check out the website http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm

As in anything we need to use our common sense. We do know that HIV can and does get spread through oral sex. Those who swallow need to take that into consideration. Chlamydia and Ghonorrhea are often asymptomatic that means that the person who you are blowing may have either of those diseases in his throat and not have an inkling of it, the incidence of seroconversion doubles when Chlamydia or Ghonorrhea are present! I myself have gotten the old "Non specific Urethritis" from some dicksucker, more than once. We all take calculated risks, be sure that you do stop to calculate them!

I can't believe this fantastic and sexy and informational thread is still alive. I was one of the first contributors and have checked in now and then ever since. I even started a new topic from the viewpoint of the 'cock suckee'.

The information and opinions represented in this thread are a tribute to every single guy who has written here. Thanks. And thanks to CFS. I hope this thread continues for a long time. After all, research is ongoing and out of that research comes new discoveries.

What an informative thread. I need help. I like to suck and be sucked, it just depends on the man and the mood. I thought it was relativly safe. I'm HIV+ so I became more passive (as the sucker) over the years. But I'm told I have a big dick (I see it everyday and yes I'm blessed) and men
don't always use their heads. So when they give me head I try not to cum. Most of the time I don't. Those times that I do cum I pull out. Every blue moon or maybe it's a full moon, I get a nut that wants my nut and he won't let go of "Charlie" and I let him have my load. Information is key. I'm positive, but I'm very healthy otherwise. How risky is taking my load? How can these cock-hungry men not know there is a risk? I dated a HIV- guy that loved to get fucked. I never knew latex love could be so hot. But it was great. Phenomenal!!! But I missed getting head. Is there an option left for me? I love dick. I don't like to swallow myself. I know you don't loose cool points for spittin' it out. 2B Continued.

2 Continue. Is it safe for a HIV+ guy to suck a healthy HIV- guy? I'm a leaker, I'm full of that pre-cum, and I guess I'm asking should I try to change my 15 years of schooling (or was it miseducation?) and try getting head using latex? How much stimulation can that really be? Am I stuck on condoms from now until there's a cure? Am I stuck on stupid and already know the answer? Life involves risk and I'm a long term survivor with this disease and can't wish it on anybody. It's real and is doesn't discriminate. Is it safe for me to swallow or do I become Masturbation King and just Jackme? Thanks for you time. Peace.

JACK ME: I think various answers to your questions are somewhere in this thread. You also might check out the COCK SUCKEE thread. But I too would like to hear some feedback from guys about this issue.

I'm negative and I've been sucked by guys who are positive and I'm still negative but I don't think anything about my experiences or anyone else's are 100% certain.

The experts have danced and continue to dance around the issue of guys who are getting sucked -- sometimes just in the way they use language. I think in the beginning of the epidemic it was done on purpose because they didn't know and I think it's still being done and it pisses me off. There have to be studies where guys have seroconverted or not when the only sex they've ever had is getting their cock sucked by a positive guy. But then again, maybe not. Afterall, how many guys have just received blow jobs from other guys and have never had any other kind of sex with men or women?

This is the reason I started the COCK SUCKEE thread. And last time I read it all the way through, I believe there was one guy on there who said he became positive after receiving a blow job but he never answered my questions about the possibilities of other sexual activities he'd had being responsible for his seroconversion.

Go figure. This is such an important issue. I'm just glad guys are opening up and talking about their experiences. I hope you post further replies when and if you hear some responses to your questions.

HB

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There has never been a case of someone gettin HIV from being sucked. For more information on this visit: http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/latex.html

It seems to me this string is full of paranoia and misinformation. Sometimes, reading it, I expected to see questions like: What is the mortality risk of taking cum in the mouth once a week compared to that of walking across a freeway once a week? What is the rate of HIV infection among weekly cocksuckers compared to the rate of cancer diagnoses?

The epidemiology of HIV infection tells us that if cocksucking were more than a small risk, the rate of infection would be FAR higher. The risk appears to be so small, in fact, that I wonder, statistically, how it stands up against the deviation you'd have to allow for people's lying, confusion, poor memories, etc., regarding their anal encounters. The vast, huge majority of men reporting infection also report unprotected anal sex. Men who do not have unprotected anal sex report no infections, with the tiny smattering of guys claiming it was raw cocksucking.

One risk factor nobody here has mentioned is the status of the person you are sucking off. In bizarre actuality, the concentration of HIV is so much higher in the newly sero-converted that, statistically, it is actually safer to have unsafe sex with a known positive than with someone whose status you don't know -- meaning someone who is possibly in the process of converting and has the highest levels of HIV possible. Yes, I know that sounds incredible, but it's true and from the CDC, which of course realizes it is too politically sensitive to report broadly. I'm not suggesting anyone have unprotected sex with poz guys. I'm just trying to demonstrate that HIV infection is a lot more complex than most people realize. (And this argues against someone's contention that having sex with the young is safer than with older guys.)

So, it isn't just the tissue that is being exposed but the quantity of HIV present in the sperm that influences risk.

I also know two people who claim they have been infected by oral transmission. Usually, I am quite suspicious of the claim, but even if it is true, it is rare enough to be called an anomaly.

It seems to me this string is full of paranoia and misinformation. Sometimes, reading it, I expected to see questions like: What is the mortality risk of taking cum in the mouth once a week compared to that of walking across a freeway once a week? What is the rate of HIV infection among weekly cocksuckers compared to the rate of cancer diagnoses?

The epidemiology of HIV infection tells us that if cocksucking were more than a small risk, the rate of infection would be FAR higher. The risk appears to be so small, in fact, that I wonder, statistically, how it stands up against the deviation you'd have to allow for people's lying, confusion, poor memories, etc., regarding their anal encounters. The vast, huge majority of men reporting infection also report unprotected anal sex. Men who do not have unprotected anal sex report no infections, with the tiny smattering of guys claiming it was raw cocksucking.

One risk factor nobody here has mentioned is the status of the person you are sucking off. In bizarre actuality, the concentration of HIV is so much higher in the newly sero-converted that, statistically, it is actually safer to have unsafe sex with a known positive than with someone whose status you don't know -- meaning someone who is possibly in the process of converting and has the highest levels of HIV possible. Yes, I know that sounds incredible, but it's true and from the CDC, which of course realizes it is too politically sensitive to report broadly. I'm not suggesting anyone have unprotected sex with poz guys. I'm just trying to demonstrate that HIV infection is a lot more complex than most people realize. (And this argues against someone's contention that having sex with the young is safer than with older guys.)

So, it isn't just the tissue that is being exposed but the quantity of HIV present in the sperm that influences risk.

I also know two people who claim they have been infected by oral transmission. Usually, I am quite suspicious of the claim, but even if it is true, it is rare enough to be called an anomaly.

Finally, I have noticed the tendency of some people who have sero-converted to preach fear and, I daresay, exaggerate their situations for effect.

The discussion on this thread seems to be about HIV risk without mention of other Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs). In any discussion of Oral Sex and the associated risk factors, why does it seem that other STDs receive little or no attention at all? I do believe the CDC has recently noted the decline of HIV infections in our Gay Community but has also noted increases in other STD rates. Does a drop in the HIV infection rate and a corresponding rise in other STD rates suggest something that we are missing altogether?

Like what, STUD BIKER? I'm curious...

There is no more pleasure then swallowing the cum of a man. As far as the safe sex is concerned, if you start sucking without a condom, you still are swallowing precum.

i;ve been reading these posts with considerable interest. I'm curious about the chances of picking up an STD from being sucked. Are there any statistics? What are the risks associated with receiving some amazing head? (I've read the posts about the chances of becoming HIV+. I mean those other bugs out there.)

Just a word of thanks to all those who have given me their dick to adore and suck. Sure, I like getting a good blow job, too, but I don't mind at all if a guy just wants me to go down on him and bring him supreme pleasure. Sucking dick is SOOOOOO wonderful. Don't feel guilty, guys, if you don't reciprocate (although you don't know what you're missing!). As far as safety of giving head is concerned, if I haven't become HIV+ after the hundreds of dicks I have sucked over the years, I don't think it will happen now. Call me an optimist, call me a fool -- all I know is that I'll keep sucking as long as there are dicks pointing their way to my mouth.

I have enjoyed reading the different opinions expressed on this forum. I must admit that I love sucking a nice cock when the opportunity presents itself. Nothing quite like it. Although I usually try to avoid the other guy from cumming inside my mouth oftentimes this is unavoidable. Since the HIV epidemic scare started I have always carried with me a flask of strong vodka as a preventative whenever I have the pleasure of sucking a nice joint. After every cock I have sucked I have always swished my mouth with a one or two mouthfuls of strong rum or vodka (high proof) After this I always swallow it down to make sure my esophagus is totally coated and thus better protected. Of course, needless to say, I abstain if I suspect I have any cuts in my mouth or gums. I believe that this simple but efficient method minimizes greatly my chances of catching anything via oral transmission. I recommend this to all of you guys who enjoy cock sucking as much as I do.

The question of oral transmission depends on a lot of factors. The Math folks have a formula for transmission of HIV that includes an equation with a lot of variables. How much virus is present in the pre-cum; how much in the cum; how much cum hits how much space in the mouth/tonsils/throat; what is the receptivity of the cells in these areas (tonsilar and Langerhans cells) etc.

True, stomach acid destroys HIV. But the highway to the stomach is a long one. The use of Vodka or high proof Bourbon (I love it!) doesn't make a difference. The virus enters the skin cells almost immediately upon contact. Vodka later does nothing.

Sucking cock is great. But there has been NO CDC research on the percent-rate of infection. For health care providers --who get stuck by needles-- the rate of infection is 0.3%. For health care workers who get splashed by blood--in the mouth, nose or eyes, the rate is 0.09%. (Published in the MMWR, July 1998).

But, and this is a big but, when folks are on the triple-drug cocktail, the amount of virus in the blood is reduced ("to non-detectable levels"-- although that is pretty high -- ~450 virus particles per cubic mm of blood) but the amount of HIV in cum and pre-cum is not really affected. It remains high despite the triple-drug cocktail. They suspect that the drugs don't make it into the testicles where the good stuff comes from. So, the risk of encountering and receiving HIV from cum remains at the same level as it would be if the person weren't taking the meds. This is another factor to be considered.

Perhaps it is best to use the condom on the tip of the cock; feel and taste the lower shaft, and then take the condom off, and let the load shoot on the hairy (yes!) chest -- or somewhere else it feels good.

Let's be honest, if gay men can't find ways to get horny and feel good about sex, then humanity is doomed!!!! <g>

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I engage in a compromise of sorts I think is OK and I like. I follow all the sucking precautions, no brushing, etc. I use a condom while sucking, but at the end I have the guy jack off on my face. I don't shave the day of such a session and make sure I have no cuts there. For me this is the best of both worlds. I get to suck, I get to see the guy cum, and I get my face splattered with a hot load. Is this safe, or mostly so? If you want to cum on my face, see my post under Wisconsin in the communal stalls.

Sounds hot! I like to get a facial too. Just remember not to get any in your eyes. That is a mode of transmission most people don't think about.

Thanks for the reply. You're right, most people don't think of the eyes. I wear glasses, so I can see the guy shoot, and it hits my glasses and goes all over my face. I just love seeing a big cock being stroked inches from my face, about to shoot. It's so hot! And then the cum shoots,it's so warm and I love when it strikes my face with force.

Any other facial lovers out there?

I was wondering iabout the peroxide what about rinsing just before aswell as afterpleas only well edjucated responces and please spare me a a 200 word post about how mutch you you love to suck cock I think that has been covered , I think that the fact that we do is a given,if it wasnt ,we would not be having this discusion in the first place duh!...

Here's a site that has info on the amount of virus in semen of men who are on antiretrovirals (free site, no registration): http://www.aegis.com/