To swallow or not to swallow
 

It seems to me that one way to minimize risk from oral sex would be to not take cum in your mouth. But to me that is the best part of giving a blow job.

I have often wondered if swallowing was safe. Ever since the first time I sucked a cock I wanted to be rewarded with that warm salty juice.To me there is nothing better than the feeling of a cock pulsing as it shoots that wonderfull liquid down my throat. I am a bi guy, when I am with a m/f couple I always enjoy licking the ladies hole of her mate's and my cum.To say I am a cum slut would be an understatement. I once sucked off four guys at the same time as they watched and swallowed each guys load.I sure hope that the acids in my saliva does help to keep from catching anything. But I just can't seem to not swallow a nice big warm load.

I've read this so many times and I continually find it amazing how little people really know about sucking dick. All the time people say, "Oh, I just don't let the guy shoot his load in my mouth, he pulls out, therefore I'm safe". THIS IS NOT TRUE.

Men, who are excited, will secrete pre-cum practically right away. Pre-cum also can carry the HIV Virus. The truth be told, there really isn't any difference from Cum and Pre-cum other then one is associated with an orgasm.

If you suck dick without a rubber, you are at risk. That's the bottom line.

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-BHG-

I too have been sucking dicks for years. I held off swallowing during the early 80's, but resumed several years ago. I take all the precautions I can, and decided it was a risk worth taking.

If I'm going to take a man's dick in my mouth, I'm going to see the job through. I love sucking cock too much to stop just before the best part.

I do the best I can to make sure I minimize the risk....and go with it. I've been negative (knock on wood) everytime I'm tested...every 6 months.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm as hypocritical as the rest of you are. As much as I know how dangerous it is, if I see a bulging crotch I'll make a move...see if the guy is willing to let me have a taste.

Use a condom? Never. Have you sucked a plastic wrapped dick before? Part of the enjoyment is tasting and smelling the guy...the rough flesh rubbing your lips. Not some slick, smooth, no tasting piece of plastic. Disgusting.

My response post was more a reaction to what Dick13 and Zevon were saying. They seem to hold the impression that not swallowing it ok, but it isn't. Putting the dick in your mouth all on its own is dangerous and considered a high risk behavior.

Again, don't think for a minute I'm some high and mighty arrogant fool spouting crap from some wealth of do goodness. I suck dick indiscriminately. As luck would have it, I'm HIV-.

I won't think you're arrogant, BigHardGuy, as long as you don't think I'm a hypocrite. We are more alike than we realize.

I agree that sucking a cock in a condom is like sucking a live-action dildo.

I'm not sure why you say the other posters are "hypocritical?"

Every here has admitted to sucking dick, but with some precautions. Of course I can't control the guys I'm sucking, but I am careful nothing on MY end, cuts whatever, will be a problem.

I love dick, I love cum, and love that moment when the guy I with announces he's going to cum. The feel of him shooting in my mouth is too good to give up. Condoms? Never....I've had guys offer me their covered dicks, and I'll pass it up. Yuck!

This is a good forum for us swallowers to discuss this without any flaming. No need for arrogance here, we're all looking for the same thing!

There is a difference between cum and pre-cum. It's quantity. There is more cum so there is more risk. There are risks in oral sex but not all risks are the same, and it is safer than fucking without a condom by far.
As far as taking it in your mouth and then spitting it out, I would rather just swallow it. If there are cuts in your mouth, I think it's better to just let it shoot down your throat rather than keeping it in your mouth for a few moments till you can spit. That is, of course, if your throat is not beaten to a bloody pulp by some guy with a monster dick.
And keep your eyes closed!

Face it, if sucking dick rountinely led to infection with HIV, the "gay community" as we know it wouldn't exist. Of course there is risk associated with sucking a dick and with swallowing cum, but it is a matter of relative risk. By now, you all know how to limit your risk (I would hope!) and it's a matter of what degree of risk you are willing to take. All said and done, sucking dick in and of itself is not an extremely high-risk behavoir. Swallowing cum, assuming you don't have an open pipeline into your bloodstream, does not significantly increase risk because semen and viruses are destroyed by gastrointestinal enzymes. Any "injuries" you might have to your mouth or throat or escophagus increase your risk of infection. It is generally agreed that it takes more than one exposure to seroconvert, so frequency of exposure, as well as degree of exposure is another consideration.

True, I'm sorry. Hypocritical wasn't the proper word. I should have used obstinate. http://web.starnetc.com/cruisingforsex/smile.gif We all know not to do it but we do it anyhow.

Dick13, I'm...well, at a loss for words. I want to flame you totally for saying what you said but this shouldn't turn into a cat fight. So, I'll try to be nice.

Quantity means NOTHING! One 'cell' of HIV being passed is all it takes for you or anyone to become infected.


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-BHG-

BHG, You are talking possibility, I'm talking probability. I agree there is a possibility of getting HIV from pre-cum. But there is a greater risk in quantity. It's like buying a raffle ticket. If you buy one ticket you have a slim chance of winning. If you buy a thousand tickets, your changes go up significantly. See the Safe Sex Forum at The Body.com 'Can you get HIV through oral sex?' for a discussion of this subject.
http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/faqs/faq1.html#oralsex It says:

"Both pre-cum and semen contain high concentrations of HIV. Semen is however a riskier body fluid because you are normally exposed to a greater quantity of semen as compared to pre-cum. Does that mean that pre-cum is totally safe? No! But we can say that the more infectious body fluid you are exposed to, the greater the likelihood of transmission. So, you can become infected by pre-cum alone, but you are much more likely to become infected if the guy cums in your mouth, since you're exposed to a much greater quantity of his body fluid."



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My dick is hard as a rock after reading this thread. I started having my cock sucked when I was 13 years old. Having my cock sucked, especially deep throated, is my #1 favorite sex act. It seems like a one-sided sexual relation at first glance, but believe me, the suckee is just as important as the sucker. I know just how to regulate the speed of my pumping cock into the throat of a man.

I have been worried, especially in the early '80's, about getting my cock sucked, afraid I could pick up HIV that way. Of course, as previous writers have stated, suckers slacked off in the early '80's. Just in the last 4 or 5 years, I've been getting more and more blow jobs. Anyone heard of converting from getting sucked?

Finally, I have to admit, even after all these years of getting my big dick sucked, that I feel a tinge of guilt on occasion, thinking the guy sucking me wasn't getting off as much as I was. That was until I read this thread. I know all you guys!!! Damn, I love men, and I'm glad CFS is here so we can talk about these things. I had a blow job two days ago and it was as enjoyable as the first one I got, close to 30 years ago.

I'd be interested in hearing from guys regarding what I've just written, especially the feeling that I'm disappointing the cocksuckers when I don't reciprocate. But, I'll tell you this. I'm mostly gay, but I've fucked pussy, ass, and mouth; I've dry fucked hairy chests, hell I've done about everything I can with my dick, but slipping my meat in and out of a man's hot, wet, mouth and throat is 'hands down' the best sex there is for me.

Thanks to all the cocksuckers in the world.

Reply here or privately to horseboot@hotmail.com

hi: as a tv, i love to suck cock and i can't imagine not swallowing. i never want to be sucked, just to suck and give the man pleasure with my lips, tongue and throat. i have spent hours getting ready to go out just in the hopes of meeting someone that i find attractive, clean and think is relatively safe so that i can let him take me somewhere and enjoy my mouth as much as he wants to. i have sweated the question as to whether or not i can get aids from a load of semen and i still have seen no really good answer. what i normally do is have a drink or two just before so hopefully the alcohol might kill anything that the saliva doesn't. i sucked off a black man with a rubber once because he wanted to practice safe sex and i hated it and i don't think he enjoyed cumming as much as he would have if he could have heard me swallowing his semen the way i wanted to.

so, don't feel bad if you don't reciprocate as some of us get our pleasure from sucking and being fucked.

HB.....it's nice to hear from the other side once in a while.

I also am one of those guys that loves to suck a man's dick. Not just sucking it, but really making love to it. I have no desire for anything in return, just the satisfaction of providing that much pleasure to another man, and him sharing his sperm with me.

It's nice for the "suckee" to be able to lay back, and selfishly enjoy the attention he is receiving, and not have to worry about "taking care" of his partner. Believe me, YOU ARE!!

So, from another dedicated cocksucker in the world....you are welcome!

hey - stumbled on this site by accident and am i ever glad i found it. I'm a cocksucker/worshipper, do my best to follow all the RULES re not brushing, rinsing only with mouthwash etc - love the idea that there are actually guys out there just into being sucked off - not as a prelude to something else - hard to find believe it or not. How do i find one stud to service daily - ??

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As one of the unfortunate few who make the difference between no-risk and low-risk I can attest to the fact that pre-cum can--and did, in my case--make you seroconvert. Since 1981 I had safe sex, within monogamous relationship. In 1996 I sucked ONE cock, in July, without a rubber, for about one minute, no cum. That was the only sex I had. Two weeks later I had, according to my then doctor, a probably viral infection of unknown causes (flu-like, with spots all over my body). 6 months later, tested positive during routine physical. Low risk doesn't equal no risk.

BUCKONYC,

So, you are in a monogamous relationship since 1981 and in 1996 you sucked a cock and were told by your 'then' doctor two weeks later that you were probably infected? Then, six months later you tested postitive. (By the same Doc or another?)

What sex, if any, did you have during that six month period?

(I ask only because something sprung you from your monogamous relationship and I wonder if it started and ended with that cock you sucked or if it continued on during the following six months?)

If, since your monogamous relationship in 1981, you only sucked that one cock for one minute and are now, as a result, HIV+, please contact me. Such a clear line of infection would obviously enhance research and education into transmission and treatment.

Thanks, and continued good health.





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topic seems to have moved from IS ORAL SEX SAFE..to can I get HIV via ORAL SEX...

two very diferent topics, actually.

the Reported Transmission rate for HIV and SeroConversion is low BUT GREATER Than ZERo for receptive oral sex.

the reported/calculated transmission rate for Hepatitis C via oral route is also GREATER THAN ZERO. (yes, virginia, HepC is also considered an STD)

As for the rest of the STD's..many can be transmitted via oral-genital contact and fluid sharing...
Herpes, Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, and a few other nasties can be shared that way.

the universally appricable advice is:

MINIMIZE THE SHARING OF FLUIDS (as tempting as that may be to ignore)

SUCKING A CONDOM WRAPPED COCK may not be perfect...but (in my experience) CAN provide for more relaxed enjoyment either as the suckee or the sucker...as you no longer have to be as worried about "what if?" for me ...I last a few more delicious strokes before shooting...and can freely suck and deep throat the cock without worrying about "when and if" i can pull off before he shoots. It is indeed a trade off...but is a less worried event better than a wetter but riskier one?..

as mom and grandma always said."..remember to wear you rubbers if you are going to go out and play and get wet..."

if they only knew!

Ok, don't laugh and I know it probably has zilch scientific integrity but..........I find that by not swallowing my own saliva while performing oral it makes it easier to spit out the jizz after the guy cums.

The downside is that you don't get to taste it.

Ok, tell me how incredibly wrong I am.....

Hi,
Buckonyc, I was sorry to hear of your positive status but I appreciated your sharing your experience with the rest of us.
I was 21 when I received my first blowjob. He was a "greek god" to me and ever since I have enjoyed sitting back while a great mouth "parties" on my crotch! Resting my hand on the back of his neck, feeling his head bob between my thighs,...I digress, forgive me.
My point is although I enjoy versatile sex I agree that most likely it is the deepthroating that is mostly responsbile for transmission of disease. Two years ago, at age 36, I was also diagnosed HIV+.
Whether I was sucking or getting sucked I loved the feeling in the throat. I used to think that if you didn't swallow, and I never did, you would be just fine. I was wrong. I always used condoms during anal intercourse, which didn't happen but with 11 guys in my entire life. People are still getting HIV, STDs and they are still dying from both.
YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL! And believe me, you can't appreciate how valuable your health is until you have lost it.

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greatguy,
Thanks for a great posting. I love your discription of getting a blowjob--Resting my
hand on the back of his neck, feeling his head bob between my thighs--it's enough to give me a BIG WOODY! How are you doing two years into your HIV infection, both physically and emotionally?

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dick13,
Thank you for your concern. I am fine.
When my t-cell count was first taken after diagnosis it was down to around 375. Had I been tested earlier I could have started treatment earlier and my cell count could have been maintained at a higher amount, hence, the importance of being tested early and often when you are engaging in risky behavior. After treatment started my little army of defenders doubled to around 750. A case of the flu and they were back into the 600 range. I have recently been exercising vigorously and they are up into the 860's. March on little guys!
As far as my mental state - I am lucky. I have been very fortunate and very lucky in having been blessed with a great family unit of relatives and friends. A strong faith goes a long, long way too! So I can honestly say that I am doing OK.
I do not discuss my status very much, only when I am asked by my doctor or a few very close friends. However, everyone should be aware of the risk.
Bye the way, my doctor is of the school of HIT IT HARD & HIT IT EARLY. In my case it seems to be working.
Thanks again for your interest. God Bless!

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

Got to agree with HB. Also got a pretty stiff dick reading about how dicksucking makes the sucker feel. I also love getting deep-throated by a good-looking guy. It's the best feeling in the world, especially when he's into it, and I've been lucky to be with some great head-givers. I also have that slight bit of guilt for not reciprocating, but good to hear that most of you guys think that's OK. Also, I must admit that I love guys to continue to suck and ask for me to blast off in their mouths or down their throats. Hot stuff. Thanks to all the eager, excited and enthusiastic dicksuckers of the world. You guys are great.

there has NOT been One case of a person becoming hiv pocitive because of oral sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not one.......

Jock claims: >>there has NOT been One case of a person becoming hiv pocitive because of oral sex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not one.......<<

Dear Jock,

This is not a true statement. Even if you refuse to believe the words of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, it is sad that the men right here telling you their own stories doesn't catch your attention.

There is a difference is striving to live in a sex-positive way in this day and age, and simply being misinformed. Sadly, there are too many young men who believe this.

Try downloading the "HIV_NEWS.PDF" at http://www.cdc.gov/publications.htm?

You might learn something- maybe even live a nice long and healthy life for it too.

Tim

I learned how to jack off in the 2nd grade under the cement steps of a catholic school and got my first blowjob in the 4th grade from a school buddy on my baceball team cuz we made a bet for a blowjob over a ping pong game. I really didnt think he would put my cock in his mouth but he was quite willing to pull down my pants and suck my cock and being a good sportsman he open his 501s and offered me his cock. He was uncut and from that point on i became a cocksucker and a skin hunter. I grew up in a navy town with a YMCA and i would go there all the time and let the sailors suck my cock. When i beat my meat i always dream about opening a guys fly licking his underwear and then sucking on his dick. I Have sucked many cocks all differant kinds. I have bicycled across the usa 5 times and i have got cock in every sorta place. sometimes i look at a guy and within 20 seconds his pants are open and he is feeding me his cock. The cocksucker is deffenantly getting as much pleasure as the guy getting sucked. I love to suck a lot more that get head. I always suck a few cocks before i feed my sweatlog to a hungry cocksucker. I like to save up a big wad for a week sometimes and beat off a few times with out cumming and then find a guy with cocksucker eyes and surprise him with a magnum load. One time in a adult theater i was letting thies old men blow me for 2 or 3 hours and i was saving my cum for a wet dream so i wasnt going to feed them my love eggs. but i got so horny i stood up and jacked off and hit the guy in the back of the head 2 rows up. you should have heard them old men moan when i shot. I sucked a old fucker off too just a month ago he must have been 75 he pulled out a really nice cock it was real long and fat and had a nice nipple foreskin. i thought id give this old fucker a good blow job for all the old fucks that ate my cum. man did this guy surprise me he must not have jacked off for a halfa year. i never had more cum fill my mouth and it was good. he kept thanking me. i kept thanking him. i know i got the best of the deal. when im bicycleing i never know where i am going to get a cock to suck. I have a 7'' cock with big nuts. everytime i let a cocksucker feed on my meat they always tell me "man you really have nice balls." so i guess i just go lucky for a skinny guy. I wish i had a foreskin thow i really think they are cool and sometimes when im sucking cock that has a nice foreskin it can make me cum like a wet dream without touching my cock and im a hard guy to get off. the most cock i ever sucked in one day was 17 at the univercity of washington and the best blow job i ever got was from this kid in a park that asked me if i would piss while he sucked my cock. his lips worked my dick so it felt like i was cumming a gallon.and then he sucked my cum. it grossed me out but i kept seeing him in the park and i must have let him do that to me a dozen times before i seen he was uncut and had a good looking cock so i went home with him and we 69 piss all night. i have only done that with 4 guys. but i have sucked hundreds of cocks and have never got anything but a good feeling. it took a while to learn how to deepthroat and i love that when a guy gets his cock way down my throat. I love to wake up from a guy sucking my cock and i love to suck men in their sleep too. I never mind if a guy dont reciprocate cuz i know after i cum i could care less for a dick for about a half hour before i get that dick hunger again.

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Jock,
You are WRONG! Do your homework!! We need to be responsible for our own safety including the younger generation who look to our experiences for guidance. I urge you to educate yourself.

I LOVE oral sex. I have been letting guys service my meat for close to 15 years BUT, I have always walked away afterwards wondering if I was carrying "SOMETHING" with me that I didn't have before my zipper came down. On several occasions I didn't have to wait long, sometimes less than 24 hours, to discover that I had picked up a "nonspecific" nuisance.(If I knew I that I got it, then they KNEW that they had it).
But I have been lucky that it was never anything worse.
WE have been VERY, VERY LUCKY.
I have let a lot of guys swing on my big dick in the past, still do, but I KNOW the risks involved and I try to reduce them. I may CHOOSE to take the risk, but at least I KNOW them.
A lot of people are going to read these posts and possibly make choices that will effect their own futures based on what is offered here. What of the young teen, not out, still with his parents, who reads your dogmatic, but inaccurate, statement of no known case of oral transmission. He takes what you say as the truth, his first mistake. He kneels in front a ripped muscle dude in the gym sauna for only a few minutes, rejoicing at the feel of a fat, mushroom cockhead pulsing in the back of his throat, his second mistake. Slowly he pulls his nose out of his "trophy score's" pubic mass and softly milks the last drops of cum from the now flacid slab of flesh resting between his lips. What of this young kid, Jock, who develops a fever, starts becoming disoriented, suffers from muscle and head aches? He eventually needs a doctor, Money for treatments, A hospital. Sooner, before later, this kid is going to have to have a talk with his parents and whoever else? What becomes of his life now, Jock? Why does this happen?
Because Jock said it was OK!!
Cocksuckers, before you open your mouths, BECOME INFORMED!!

Re: oral sex
Let me start by saying that i personally hate the taste of cum. It's dangerous and can cause you heath problems.
Only once in my 29 years of my life has anyone ever cum in my mouth and that person suffer a busted lip over it. Swallowing cum is sick and perverted and should not be allow during sex. I would never come in someones else's mouth or ass. Its as dangerous as barebacking. Stop the cum swallowing and you will live longer heathier lives.

Who the hell are you to call swallowing
"sick and perverted"? It's bad enough we
have to listen to this shit from the
Jerry Falwells of the world without
having to hear it here as well. If
you're not into it due to health risks,
that's your business. But keep your
name calling to yourself or you might
wind up with a busted lip of your own.

I thought, statistically, one was fairly safe from contracting HIV from giving oral sex, and receiving the nectar of the gods, but just in case, I make sure my mouth is healthy, don't abuse the tissue lining the mouth, and use hydrogen peroxide right after the pleasurable act.

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Re: DW resp.
This is a free forum so we can all say what we feel in regards to any sexual topic. Oral sex and swallowing is my main topic. You nor anyone else can show me any other reason why swallowing cum is good. Its a nasty habit and should be stop.
Its your choice if you want to live this way, i wont stop you. But as for me, swallowing is not my thing nor would i let anyone take mine.
And even though everyone says you cant catch HIV from oral sex, i do believe you can and swallowing cum just adds more to the risk.
Prove to me otherwise!

Interesting to me how even 'frank discussions' like this one eventually lead to name calling and petty vitriolic bullshit.

LatinBottom, why don't you tell us what you do like about having sex with a man.

And WayneDoland, you are right. It is each and every man's responsibility to take care of himself -- drive a car, wear or don't wear a seat belt. Suck or get sucked, do or don't wear a rubber.

There are enough preachers prancing about the land these days and my own view is, in this forum, we should be free from preaching. We're all grown men and if you're reading this and you're not, then I hope you learn something.

I think Dr. Laura listeners have invaded this forum...

HB.

All life is risk...the real question is how much risk are you willing to take.

What I dislike about the whole HIV issue when it comes from the medical community is that there is a lack of consensus of "how much" risk oral sex is. Some say its high risk when no condom is used and some say its low risk when no condom is used.

I have had a lot of oral sex in my adult life...Sometimes I swallow, sometimes I don't, always aware of the risk-high or low. Sometimes the feeling of a man's cock pulsating a load down my throat is sacred, but other times I feel stupid for swallowing. Most of the time, I convince myself that a man cumming all over me is more sexy. yes, pre-cum has HIV..but again, driving a car, standing in a shower with no mat, eating canned soup, eating a burger...all things in life have risk and you can't hide from it. Nothing is risk free, nor should it be. Just be wise, use a seat belt, use a bath mat, cook that burger till it's dead, and yes, take care of your oral health and decide....is this worth it? Frankly, the answer is yes, sometimes. And Hon, that's life.

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Trajanus, wherever you are, I'm glad you're on the planet.

HB.

All im saying is that swallowing is unhealty and can cause you heath risk. Just be careful and use discretion. Peace to all from me....... :-)

Everyone talks about getting HIV through
giving oral sex. But what about receiving?
I enjoy getting blowjobs,
but I never have sucked a dick myself
What dangers are there for a suckee?

randyton,
Check out this website. It is The Safe Sex Forum at the www.thebody.com It says nobody has ever been infected with HIV by receiving oral sex (exposure to saliva). Not a single reported case worldwide!
http://www.thebody.com/sowadsky/latex.html

I am glad to learn that there are people out there who just love to deep-throat a man's meat. I am an older man, was married, now divorced, with kids, etc. I love having a guy (or gal) swallow every inch of my 8" all the way down to my nuts. It's the greatest feeling in the world to be able to shove it all the way down like that and shoot my load with it all the way down inside a good piece of throat-pussy. I have a hard time finding guys (gals even harder) who like it that way, but when I do, they are friends of mine for life. I am grateful to learn that there are guys out there who get off doing only this. Most times guys want me to butt-fuck them in order to get all of it down, but I don't enjoy anything but deep-throat sex. I love to lay back and let a guy climb between my legs and "pig out" on my meat and balls. I also love standing with the guy down on his knees, and being able to grab the back of his head and guide his throat up and down on my meat. I really love to have the guy on his back with his head hanging over the edge of the bed, and me climb on top and fuck deep down in his deep throat. Thanks to all of you who enjoy servicing meat in this fashion, because it makes me feel better knowing you enjoy getting it that way, too. I have never had a std and am lucky, I guess. But I also know that I have not transmitted anything to the talented cocksuckers I've been fortunate enough to hook up with - and plan to keep it that way.