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26th November 2005, 04:50 PM
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I totally agree with lvrofasians. I didn't live in LA, but the other side of the US....in Miami. For several years, I attended monthly meetings of Asians and Friends. Since I was over 40, I never once even got a second look from any of the Asians. And, getting any of them to notice you in a bar was like trying to get Dame Edna into the Fryar's Club....it just couldn't be done. I always said that the one question they must ask of young Asians at immigration was "Can you stand and model?" If they answered "Yes" they were given residency status. If they answered "No" they were deported immediately. So, once I'd done my 30 years, I packed my bags and headed to the Big Mango. I've not been without a young 'un at my side since.
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27th November 2005, 12:39 AM
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This is all a complicated subject, but allow me a few generalizations:
In the United States, Caucasians are a majority, Asians are a minority. This tends to mean that any Caucasian attractiveness based on being seen as "exotic" by Asians doesn't exist, since an Asian can see Caucasians everywhere and in all varieties, including the undesirable. Here, an Asian may also be absorbing traditional U.S. ideas about the superiority of youth and beauty, leading the Asian to compete for the most beautiful just as so many others do. And at the same time, Asian consciousness of being in a discriminated-against minority can lead to resentment and a rejection of Caucasians, especially if the Asian believes that Caucasians belittle him, objectify him excessively, or see him as a disadvantaged last resort for Caucasians in whom other attractive Caucasians aren't interested. Among gay Asian academic types in the States, an anti-Caucasian or at least an anti-"rice queen" ideology tends to be particularly well developed, even if not always put into practice in real life--especially if the Asian is young and attractive with experience at being desired by young and attractive Caucasians in whom he's interested (sort of the mirror image of being discriminated against and rejected, but with similar attitudinal results). Conversely, in Asia, Asians are a majority, have comparatively little consciousness of being discriminated against (though they're aware of colonialist attitudes), and may be interested in Caucasians either because of an exotica factor or because of notions borrowed from Hollywood and magazines about what constitutes attractiveness. In addition, traditionally favorable Asian attitudes toward older persons may outweigh the preferences for beautiful youth that are so common in Western culture. Still, in Asia, too, an anti-Caucasian or anti-"rice queen" ideology is common among the academically trained. And again, this ideology is sometimes overlooked when a boyfriend actually is being selected--so occasionally there's still some hope for us Caucasians. :-) |
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27th November 2005, 07:38 AM
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Agree with stillthrobbing:
There's a strong anti-rice queen tendency among the better looking Asians in the West. They NEVER go to any clubs known to attract rice queens and they do not patronize Long Yang Club meetings. When travelling to Ozzieland, US or Europe, I never say I live in Hong Kong, or that I speak Chinese, etc. That would turn them off immediately. I think that anti-rice queeniness among Asians in the West is a sign of internalised racism. It works in a circular way: Asians are discriminated against => to some extent they internalise their inferiority => they reject those who are crazy about them on the basis of race, because these guys cannot be first class since they don't discriminate against them => they seek those who discriminate against them; if they manage to catch them, they feel equal or at least fulfilled. For a brief moment, they joined the majority. Anti white sentiments among gay Asians in Asia aren't related to the educational level. Sexual racism has nothing to do with education. It never did. No studies have ever been done on the issue, so it's hard to find the reason. It's esp. difficult for us, non Asians, because the 'sticky rice' wouldn't talk to us, so there's no way to find out the reason. But judging from various discussion boards, the 'sticky rice' generalise all gwm as 'old, fat, ugly' (just as many Caucasians think of Asians as effeminate). I suspect there are two sources of such prejudices: 1. no chance of first-hand contact with Caucasians (e.g., no English spoken) 2. predominance of large, aged Caucasians in the white gay communities in Asia. To those who think that Asians should love them because they are white: It's EXTREMELY encouraging to read that Asians in the West discriminate against old gwm. If in-shape white guys don't cruise you in the saunas or in the bars, why are you surprised that Asians aren't interested either? Because they're in fact a second (or third) category in the gay community and should accept whatever comes their way? This kind of expectations is a form of racism too.
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27th November 2005, 09:54 AM
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to gweilo.....
Thank you for not making us asians sound like we dont like RICEQUEENS. It has nothing to do with us asians , it has everything to do with YOU as a person. If you are not wanted by any other race DON"T expect us asians to want you either. Christopher Lowe( I call him " FOOFOO") , a famous interior designer, once said .......Honey! it's all about merchandising.....  Now let's get off that couch and hit the gym......  |
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27th November 2005, 02:56 PM
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Just to clarify things, I don't believe I said anything in my post about asians should love white guys because they are white NOR did I say that in-shape good looking young asians should be attracted to Old out-of-shape whites.
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27th November 2005, 10:04 PM
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You guys are hijacking the original topics !
 While you guys were writing those things on SUNDAY , I had a nice date with my 18yo BF .  Your weekend's report may sound more fun , don't you think ?  |
I can't find any info of mid-night saunas any more
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29th November 2005, 04:39 PM
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Being selective (or "picky") as mentioned here is NOT only relegated to Asian men; it's pervasive the world over, not exempting the US.
I basically like men; thus I select them for other facets-- their race or nationality or ethnicity is the last feature on my selecting them. If I find the guy desirable for my tastes-- I go for him.
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