So many jaded people! Fings ain't wot they used t'be. They never are and never were. Twilight used to have only Twilight sleaze Bar and Chardonnay ripped plastic sofas and tough Mamasan.

The one statement that I would certainly take issue with is:
"the Soi has declined in both quality and quantity" sextile

There are more bars than ever before and the total of boys must be many more and the bars are more elegantly decorated than before. In fact sleaze is getting difficult to find.

Bars go up and down in overall quality and vary by the hour day and week. I will be showing a newbie around in a week and I will take him to Hotmail ( a friend visited this week and reported a very good show ), Dream Boys and Fresh Beach Boys and he will have a ball and gape with astonishment at big cock shows and the fuck shows. He will drool lustily at the boys - which many in the West would happily crawl over broken glass to bed at home. He will not notice the drink prices or worry about the off fees or tipping a mere 1500 baht.

That's what happened last time anyway. We went to Dream Boys and he declined to off a boy that he ( 68 years old ) found attractive. In his cups he gave the boy his hotel name and room number. Later that evening the boy turned up and they frolicked, the boy departed, no money changed hands. This friend was delirious with joy. They have remained in touch.

The few boys that I have offed over the last year have been a delight. I am constantly astonished how affectionate even the longer serving boys can be. I only had one small contretemps in a bar which was Future Boys. It was about a boy ordering a drink on my account without my permission. The amount was deducted from my bill without a quibble.

I think that familiarity breeds contempt. Living in Thailand one gets used to only having sex with gorgeous guys that one could never hope to enjoy in our home countries. Naturally the supply of superstars is limited and they often get a sugar daddy and/or mommy or get whisked abroad.

Perhaps there are too many bar competing. Certainly the number of massage/sex places has rocketed and many seem to prefer these. I don't understand why but each to his own.
It's hard to see any division of gay establishment that has not had a meteoric rise in numbers and quality in recent years.

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-- Each to his own, of course; olde English proverb: 'One man's meat ... .'.
- Maybe my eyes are jaded from being a permanent resident - subject to the Immig'n. Bureau's good-will - as opposed to a from-time-to-time visitor who might well return to BKK. as a thirsty camel returns to the oasis!
- Personally I'm not averse to a bit of sleaze; yes - I do look-back to the good and olde daze to the times of the original 'TWILIGHT BAR.' where there was inter-action between the a go-go boys and us voyeurs; likewise in 'NATURE BOYS.' where the boyz wore only little aprons with nothing beneath. Now, with everyone seated confortably, life has departed from such places.
- Instead of UP-grading to untorn seating etc. I'd rather that the money was spent on UP-grading their presently LO-fi. PA. systems.
- It wasn't I who originated that a recent perf. in 'X-BOYS.' was 'Boring.' and 'Lack-lustre.', it was an elderly and visiting American on his first visit here.
- But I'd agree that today's 'HOTMALE's.' bold/f*ck-show is probably the best in the Soi.
-- bibi. --

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-- Further to these matters of 'Quality.' and of 'Quantity.' in Soi Twilight -
- Icon's recent posting in 'Suck Cinemas.' about the two performers who, last sun., were given a round of applause after their act contrasts strongly, in my opinion, to the rather tepid applause - often more from the other R&F. a go-go boyz, (fellow feeling and support?), than from the spectators themselves - that one hears in Soi Twilight's a go-go bars.

-- 'X-MEN.', (formerly 'X-Treme Bar.'), has CLOSED DOWN; I see bldg. mat'ls. in the gd. fl. ent'ce., but that's about all. Previously there have been some postings lamentng its closure.
- Around the corner, on Rama IV rd., 'BIG JOHN.', (formerly 'Lucky Blue Star.'.), is in bldrs'. hands still.
- Across S'wong. rd. 'TEAM BOYS.' CLOSED-DOWN a long time ago. As for the qty. of boyz themselves, I wonder?
- With both 'BOYS BKK.' and 'DREAMBOYS.' forming one gp., and with the 'X-GP.' bars making another gp. it might be that there are fewer performers as it's certain that some of the X-Gp's. performers move from one of their bars to the other for a repeat, or similar, dance routine there.

-- Sure, it's all too easy to wear one's rose-tinted spectacles and sigh for the good and olde daze! But I, for one, think that there were fewer restrictions and lots MORE characters and fun then!
-- bibi. --

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Shhh! You'll upset wowpow! I understand he's currently petitioning UNESCO for world heritage status for the soi.

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Can't agree more with Sextile, rose-tinted glasses or not. The bars certainly WERE much more fun then - for both boys and patrons. For decades, the original Twilight was a great sleaze bar with a big local and farang clientele. Remember Apollo on Soi 4? The boys were always smiling, laughing and creating a great atmosphere. Sure they always looked for tips, but giving the customer a good time seemed more important. Nowadays everyone is in it for themselves and everything, especially in the chain bars, is geared towards parting the punter from his Baht.

Yes, times and laws change. But please will some owner give us back that FUN element? Solid started that way and had a great atmosphere for a year or two, but even it has gone downhill judging by recent visits.

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-- Fontainhall,
- Thank you for supplying 'le mot juste.': F U N!
- Nowadays possibly the only places where one might find a bit of fun might be in either 'SUPER A.' or 'NICE BOYS.',(both off Soi Anuman.), when their boss is absent?
-- bibi. --

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I know Super A - where is Nice Boys?

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