I always find it interesting to see how people project their own unconscious fears onto others. You can tell a lot about someone's anxieties by the jokes they tell. Too many jokes about Viagra, say, and you know exactly what their problem is (at least as seen by themselves). Similarly, this sort of message tells us a lot about the writer's unconscious anxieties about getting old.

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-- And just how olde do you imagine that I am?
- Mirror, mirror on the wall pray continue your analysis - others' views of oneself are often useful correctives, don't you think?
- 'Oh for the gift that God would gi'e us
'To see ourselves as others see us.'. (R. Burns.),.
-- Bibi. --

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I thought I might strike a nerve.

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-- A good try; better luck next time - ha!
-- Bibi. --

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We are of one mind about sextile then? Sensational!

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I've never checked out that site, but it appears to offer some of the most entertaining pleas of love that I've seen in ages. Proof that true love (or is that the illusion of love?) is stranger than fiction ...

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Nalong, you are absolutely correct.

I've mentioned before about my Thai friend Khun S..... who published a Thai Gay magazine for many years (now defunct).

Khun S...... speaks excellent English, and he's told me many many such stories, some bar boys meet clients (both farang and Thai) who take them through an emotional nightmare, including threats of suicide, and more?

Where did he get these stories? When his magazine was in print he regularly visited all the bars (all areas of Bangkok, go-go bars / host bars etc. He and his partner were always looking for photo models, and often got into long conversations with the working boys. They often took groups of 10 or so boys to upcountry locations for photo shoots, thus lots more long converstaions.

In fact when his magazine was in print he often printed some of these stories (with names changed), but most times they were printed in Thai language only.

I can share one story of a farang who lived in Bangkok for many years (now deceased) who was a severe alcoholic. He very often took go-go boys home from bars in Supan Kwai and Patpong. The routine was the same almost every night:

- Farang offs a boy
- Boy has to bundle the quite big man into a taxi because he's so drunk he can barely stand up
- Taxi driver asks for address, boy doesn't know, taxi driver gets angry, farang gets angry, eventually farang stumbles through the address enough times and they eventually arrive at the location
- Boy has to go through the farangs pockets to find some money, boy gets accused of being a thief
- Boy bundles the very drunk man inside, farang collapses on the floor or wherever
- Farang vomits and boy has to clean up the vomit
- Farang sleeps until mid next morning, most times boy stays there to try to be helpful
- Farang eventually wakes up and says 'who are you, what do you want'?
- Boy explains that farang offed him last night
- Farang tells the boy to get out
- Boy asks for tip
- Farang refuses to pay tip ' why should I pay you anything, you didn't give me any sex'.

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-- I, for one, must admit to some doubts as to the veracity of this story.
- I would have thought that the problems of being 'offed.' by this man would have spread-around v. quickly and that no self-respecting Thai boi would want to be 'offed.' by him.
-- Bibi. --

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Good point, but it takes time for the 'data' to spread widely. In fact two bars in Supan Kwai did prohit the man from taking boys.

On the other hand, if your broke you probablyigive it a try.

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-- Last week-end my American friend and I went to PATTAYA.
- At his suggestion we stayed-in the flg. & g*y-friendly hotel -

MIKE HOTEL.,
339, MIKE PLAZA BLDG.,
Nongprue, PATTAYA CITY, 20260.;
- tel.: (038)-422 222-29.;
- web: http://www.mikethailand.com
- e-mail: mikehotel-ptty1@hotmail.com
- loc'n.: above MIKE'S SHOPPING PLAZA, (the whole place rather run-down looking that has seen better days..), wch. stretches between Pattaya Beach rd. and Pattaya 2nd. rd. - roughly mid-way between S. Pattaya rd. & Pattayaland 3. going towards C. PATTAYA.
- Main ent'ce. is on 2nd. rd.;
- NB.: Recept'n. is UP on the 2fl., (US.),; as there is no elevator at street level a porter will carry-up one's bags if requested.

- We chose std. rooms on 5fl. at 800.oo. nett per diem;
- Rooms are std. *** with the usual F&F., but no IN-room coffee/tea-making facilities, and apart from a couple of M*rs B*rs no small snacky foods; although drinks,(alc. & non-alc.), are available; rooms are clean, comfortable and adequate enough;
- Note that C*nd*ms are not provided in the bedrooms; but there is a small pharmacy by the 2nd. rd. ent'ce.;
- There is a small & outdoors' swimming pool for wch. add'n. towels are provided;
- There is a 24/7. cafe/rest., but we did not eat-in;
- There is also a 24hr. laundry svce.
- During our stay the staff appeared to be pleasant and obliging.

-- E&OE.. -- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

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-- On sun., (31st.), evening I went to -

SMART RELAXATION.,
- addr.: Beside 'Older Mike Dept.',
2nd. rd.,
S.PATTAYA, Chonburi;
- tel.: (038)-710 865.;
- web: none.
- loc'n.: roughly 40yds. towards CENT'L. PATTAYA from i'sect. Tnn. S. Pattaya & Pattaya 2nd. rd.; say some 35yds. and on same side as before MIKE'S DEP'T..

- ETA.: approx. 20.30.hrs.;
- It offered a 'Promo.' of 90 mins'. oil massage for 500.Bh. PLUS free 30 mins'. head msg., wch. I accepted.
- Being my first time there I decided to allow its system to take charge, thus I was allocated to Khun Pat, (?),; 30YO. from nr. BKK.; 9 or so yrs. experience as masseur of wch. four are with SMART; speaks for enough English, but not a gt. conversationalist - but then I do pay for the masg. and not for the chat!

-- Massage room measured approx. 6x8ft.; an hole in the wall with the next door room to enable both rooms to share the same air-cond.! Mattress on the floor, covered with cloth; small pillows for one's head.
-
- Khun Pat stayed dressed - white tee-shirt over masseur's trousers - throughout; when I turned-over I enquired if he wasn't too hot? But having turned-DOWN the t'stat. to COLD he wasn't rising to my suggestion.
- I was not offered a pre-msg. shower; but my feet were wiped with a damp cloth before starting the msg..
- A good, thorough & firm massage with plenty of att'n. paid to my *rs*; parts not being massaged were covered with a large & coarse type of towel.
- No hanky-panky, nor any hint, at all.
- Msg. lasted just under the 90 mins. and the head-msg. was approx. 20 mins. duration.

-- A concluding shower. I wasn't too reassured to see exposed electrical conns. on the wall, although I wouldn't expect water to be splashed-UP that HIGH.

-- Back in Recept'n. a cup of hot & herbal tea and, after a polite wish for my return, that was that.

-- Usual disclaimer. -- Bibi. --

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-- As it was my friend who suggested MIKE'S HTL. I thought that it would be impolite to gainsay him; especially as he has stayed there before, is known to Recept'n. and 'It floated his boat.', as it were.
- I did see several mid-eastern and asiatic-looking men there, but none of them apealed to me - quite the opposite, in fact.

-- For me it is within comfortable walking distance of BOYZ' TOWN & of SUNNEE PLAZA; SANSUK SAUNA isn't too far away, either, is it? Also it's only a few steps to the tpt. to JOMTIEN BEACH.

-- Bibi. --

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-- During my long w/e. in PATTAYA I went to JOMTIEN BEACH thrice: fri., (29th.), sat. & sun..
- ETA.: 10.hrs.;
- I went to the section with basically red-colored mat'l. for the deck-chairs just before the hawng nahm, and managed by Khun Om, certainly no prize-winner in the eye-candy stakes, and who delights in wearing the absolute MINIMUM that common decency allows and lets him display his body and to wiggle his sweet & little *rs* to the MAXIMUM - a sight for these sore & olde eyes indeed!
- Not v. many customers in the forenoons; people started to arrive from approx.14.hrs. onwards. On sat. mid-a'noon. there were possibly some 30 customers occupying the 100 or so deck-chairs in Khun Om's area; giving Khum Om plenty of time to socialise and to make himself agreeable.
- Plenty of masseurs and other vendors plying their trades.
- Khun Bia - 40YO.; speaks quite good English - massaged my feet, and a little bit more, daily; on the sun. a'noon. and after promising to give me a 'Special.' massage - the weather looking threatening - he came-back to my room with me. The massage was but so-so and little more than an excuse for him to pleasure himself. Later-on, and after he'd left, I saw that he'd taken with him the small bottle of Scotch! 'Caveat emptor.'.
- I was joined, too, by Khun Toei - 28YO.; short build and dark skinned; fair enough English - who works as a masseur in JOMTIEN PLAZA from the late a'noons. onwards. He has no inhibitions about shewing-off his assets, (u'cut., of avg. length and mouth-fillingly thick: a smoker's delight!), discreetly, of course; I'll allow the hand of discretion to draw the veil of modesty ... .

-- I was there on the sun. a'noon. when some distance away - and as I read later, (The Baht Stop -- Thailand forum.), - a lethal fight broke-out between a couple of DVD. sellers wch. resulted in both of them being taken to hospital.

-- Bibi. --

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-- While I was amusing myself elsewhere my friend went to BLUE HOUSE MASSAGE for a relaxing & oil-massage.
- His comments were not too complimentary: run-down with a gen'l. air of decay and of lack of maint'ce., (I gather that that could be applied to much of PATTAYA, or am I being unfair?), fading & peeling wall-paper and such like.
- His masseur is named Khun Lek - small is the name, small is the body and ditto the endowment, wch. - unusually - is c'cised..
- The massage was passable, as were the apres massage delights.
- Possibly not worth any follow-up visits under the 'Three strikes.' rules?

-- Bibi. --

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-- How is this H1N1 'flu. affecting the various bars and other places of e'tainment.?
- Are these places taking it in their stride, or is the sit'n. seen as 'All hands to the pumps.' or even worse?
-- Bibi. --

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