Thanks for posting that link--the comments posted after the article were more helpful than the article. They don't mention that another reason underage boys are used to commit crimes is that different legal systems apply if juveniles (rather than adults) are caught. I've noticed that juveniles often behave as if they are immune (reckless).

Also, when one lives in a "house" rather than an apartment, it's much easier to become a target. The best thing is to live in a large apartment building with many units, and some security, and just one way to get into both the building and the apartment (one door).

-- Agreed, on both counts.

Regarding sexy swimwear and Gorcums reply I have found a website for Vinegar located in the Jomtien complex. Just looking at the speedos and thongs they sell made me horny. Enjoyed a vid of a fashion parade, displaying their products.
Cant wait to get to Pats this week and sample whats available on the beach and elsewhere.

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In ongoing investigations into underage prostitution in Pattaya, police raided a popular A-Go-Go boy bar in Banglamung early on Saturday morning. Officers conducting a sting operation at the premises arrested five underage male prostitutes and several drugs users.

Pattaya, the 24th of July 2010: At approximately 1:00am on Saturday, Colonel Atisawit Kamonrat (Chon-Buri Immigration Superintendent) in cooperation with the Narcotics Control Board conducted a raid at the “Nice Boy Night Club” in Banglamung. The operation was instigated following an anonymous tip-off that the gay bar was providing underage boys for prostitution services and was involved with narcotics supply.

Using an undercover agent of foreign nationality, who infiltrated the bar posing as a customer who required the services of an underage employee. Paying a Bt1,300 baht fee he was taken with the boy to an upstairs service room before police stormed the downstairs bar. Upstairs officers confiscated a large amount of illegal pornography and found evidence to support acts of prostitution services being offered at the premises.

Full story and pics: http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2...ing-operation/

PATTAYA DAILY NEWS
-- 2010-07-24

Some pretty happy farang studying the flooring here.

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Smart Masage
 

Smart Massage, which was located on the western side of 2nd Road between Mike's Dept Store and South Pattaya Rd in the small building that looked like a wooden Thai house, has moved.

It's now in a more typical store-front Thai Massage venue on the eastern side of 2nd Rd just about opposite BoyzTown.

Haven't been in yet, but it looks like the ground floor is set up with reclining chairs for foot/leg massages. I assume they still have rooms for Thai massages that allow for happy endings. Hopefully the shower facilities have improved as well.

Anyone who's been there recently like to report?

Rather than start a new thread, let me add this question (and a comment) to the Pattaya "section".

First, returned to KRAZY DRAGON for the first time in a year last night. That place has changed and not for the better, I am afraid. I recall a variety of types there, many a bit animated and chatty and with some personality. Last night, the boys seem dis-engaged, bored, bland... and all of one type... slim and young. Also, the new lighting designer needs to find another line of work: the laser effects kept blinding me and my attempts to figure out what the boys look like (and I do have excellent vision) were not aided by the "dramatic" lighting.

Also: on Jomtien Beach, I have noticed the appearance of young and sometimes handsome guys of the RUSSIAN persuasion. Some are rather aggressively pursuing farang men. Has anyone else had an encounter with these guys? Anyone know the story here?

Thanks!!

How many Russians did you see? I'm interested to say the least. Which part of the beach?

Today a group of about five. Two weeks ago about a half dozen. One rather chunk but young guy (wearing one of those silly thong bathing suits) pursued me into the water and tried to do things of the unmentionable nature with me then and there. (I also saw him subsequently pursuing many other farangs considerably older than I am.)

Not sure what the story is here.... Are they a new breed of money boys trying to capitalize on those of us who may have had one-too-many Asian guys?

I went to KD twice, last Wednesday and again on Monday nights. I concur with NYNakedTop. Many younger and slim types but among the group one or two older ones that appealed to me. I flashed a few notes and had a procession of fondles. Nothing that really grabbed me but all hard if I wanted. Eventually on the second night I had 3 join me and we had a great time. A couple of rounds of drinks. Really reasonable prices. One of the twinky ones called me 'Ba" which I think equates to Granddad or worse. He had a upright curved banana reminiscent of the ASE*. However certainly smokable but not by me.

As to whether they are bored. I think I would be too if the customers were so infrequent. When I was there the first night I was the only one for a while and on the second night I think there were a couple of other farangs and a group of transgender or frontbums to my right. Dominating the aforementioned twinky. Good on him.

It needs more customers and if you have a spare moment you should go to KD. A pleasant experience all round

* Academy of Small Endowments

Russians are one of the main tourists groups now in Pattaya. In high season they have charter flights direct to U-Tapao, completely by-passing BKK. Many are now buying condos here in same way as Brits, and Europeans have for years. With them come the usual Rusian hangers on (remember the 2 working girls who were shot on Jomtien beach last year by Thai mafia who didn,t want any competition?). I've seen more younger Russian guys lately, but yet to be chased by one :(

I've been in Pattaya for about a week and have visited the Dongtan Beach, Jomtien most days, but have not noticed any Russian boys looking for customers, but perhaps I'm not too observant. In fact like most of Pats the beach seemed very quiet.
Of course today and yesterday are religious holidays in Thailand, so the bars and gogo's are closed. In Sunee severals bars are now closed following a police raid on Thursday night, when a number of under-aged boys were rounded up and I believe there was some testing for drugs. Hence on Friday night Sunee was very quiet with few customers about. I was on my own in Euro Boys at about 10 pm. 3 or 4 very tasty boys available.

Interesting information... I thought South Asians and Middle Easterners were, largely because of the stupid motorbikers all over the Soi VC/Sunee area (which I now avoid because of them).

As for being chased by Russian guys, you are not missing anything. They are as flakey as Thais can be MINUS the charm!

I don't know where the Ruskis go at night. Definitely not Sunnee. I've seen them in Funny Boys but they rarely off boys as explained to me by one of the boys there "Russians handsome men but they want free sex. I no go with them"

I need to temper some of my previous comments about the Russian gentlemen. Some are rather frisky and fun... and drama free! A refreshing change from most of my Pattaya'm encounters these days!

I was at Dongtan Beach last week every day for 4 days, Sun - Wed. Had a really pleasant time. The weather was fabulous... an on-shore breeze kept you cool, the chairs mostly only about 20% full. Many dvd sellers and of course masseurs galore as they have a reduced clientele. All in all a glorious time so if you are suffering somewhere in the cold or inclement social climate then you should get your ass down to Dongtan asap.

Last time I was in Pattaya I thought it had become Pattayavostok and of course there is nothing wrong with that. Not being a Russian speaker (as I believe some of our learned posters are!) and not having any particular interest in things Russian I was pleased to miss the R boys on the beach this time around. Never saw but one!

Have a look at this photo...
Umbrellas flutter, people relax! Its 2pm time for G&T

I believe the Russian invasion is limited to the northern winter months.

For sure, if any Russian wants sizzling tropical weather this month, he shouldnt be in Pattaya. He should stay home where his country is having a heat wave with Moscow temperatures reaching 38 degrees, according to the latest news.

It may be nice to have some Russian eye candy, but from my experience for every candy bar one spots, there are at least 10 more out-of-shape scenery wreckers.

What airlines would Russians take to Thailand (in addition to that charter flight mentioned)? Are there also Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, etc.? Also, "Russian" is a broad term. The blue-eyed, blond-haired are probably Ukranian (Kiev was a Viking settlement). Also, maybe people hear Czech or some other language, and think it's Russian.

at the cost of sounding condescending: the so-called 'east europeans' are not one big family. so if the russians prostitute themselves, it doesn't follow that the czechs and poles do so as well. and the footnote reg. russians in bkk: there are often a few russians in babylon (yes, it helps if u can recognize the langauge 'cause they don't carry russian flags on their chests); they're free and up for fun. the best looking caucasian guy i've seen in my life was a russian who visited a cosmetic clinic in silom. whether he was a professional model or a sex worker, i don't know. he definitely didn't look destitute.

Thai, Aeroflot and Transaero all have direct Moscow BKK flights.
Yes the Ruskies I have seen are mainly of caucasian origin rather than the slightly oriental eyed, broad faced eastern (Soviet/Mongol/ Steppe) varieties.

Darn...now I'll have to go hunting again to update my collection.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist that. But since the subject has cropped up, I noticed that not only were there many Russian restaurants in Phuket the last time I was there a few years back, but I've been told by my relatives that the Russians are also buying property on the island, same as at Pattaya.

I agree that it is dangerous to "essentialize" a population based upon anecdotal evidence. My Russian acquaintance is from Moscow, visiting Thailand for fun, and having plenty of it.

The only Russians on the beach today were 2 stranded whales of the female "babushka" variety :(

Nice Boys in Sunnee has closed down following a Police "sting" raid. A farang informant solicited an underage boy for sex in an upstairs room at the bar, and then called in the cavalry. The bar was "stormed" by police, narcotics and immigration officials resulting in 13 underage boys being detained and 15 others fined Bt 1,000 each for not carrying ID. One illegal foreign worker was also found. The Manager Khun Niroot was arrested and the owner is now being "actively sought" by police.

Doing the round of Sunnee last night, a lot of bars seemed depleted of boys - no doubt laying low until the heat passes.

Are there more bars in Sunnee which are known for their underaged boys? I do not want to go there...... of course.

Yes there are more, suffice to say.... Regardless of the bar you are offing someone, just check the ID if you have any doubts. If they don't have ID, drop them and move on.

Currently Sunee is very quiet - partly due to the raid mentioned above. No doubt things will get back to normal in the coming months. I do not think there are significant numbers of under-aged boys working there. Some gogos like to employ young-looking, but 18+ boys to satisfy the demand.

Agreed. Sunee now has the feel of a "no fun zone" - The mamasans complaining lack of farang and the boys have lost their zing.

The 3 fun bars now are all adjacent in Boystown , Dynamite, X-Man (still got the 11pm f-show) and (slightly rougher farm boy types) Lucky 7.

-- Today, (05th.), forenoon two farang friends & I have ret'd. from three days in PATTAYA:
1. -02nd.:
1.1.- FUNNY BOYS A GO-GO.,
- addr.: Pattayaland Soi 3.;
- tel.: (038)-71 05 97.;
- web: > Panorama and Funny Boys <
-- Above info. courtesy freebie mag. SPICE.
- Drinks at 140.Bh.;
- NO smoking & music at LOW volume!
-- Every sat. evening there will be a 'Sexy U'wear. Night.' from 22.30.hrs. onwards.
1.2.- HAPPY PLACE A GO-GO.,
Boystown.
- Drinks at 140Bh.;
- Boyz chiefly remarkable for their gelled hair-styles, taking back one of those could be too little fun as he'd be overly concerned about messing-up his hair!
- A couple - sorry, didn't check their nos. - apeared to be well-enough endowed;
- We were info'd. that there would be boys' shews at week-ends;
- NO smoking & music not overly loud.

2.- 03rd.:
2.1.- X-BOYS A GO-GO.,
Boystown;
- On entering we were blown-back by the excessive volume of the music - so we did not enter!
2.2.- HAPPY BOYS A GO-GO.,
- addr. etc. - see earlier postings;
- Khun Em, #1., greeted me enthusiastically;
- drinks at 140.Bh.;
- It wasn't too long before I was invited to go 'Upstairs.'; at the front of the balcony is now a folded-up ping-pong table and a couple of plant pots to provide some extra add'n. privacy.
- NO smoking & bkgd. music not to o'whelming..
2.3.- TOM YUM A GO-GO BAR.,
- addr.: Sunnee Plaza;
- drinks at 140.Bh.;
- A couple of other farang-customers; a few boys in briefs either standing on the stage & not doing v. much or else sitting on the seating & playing with themselves; most boys wearing their jeans and just standing-around. Possibly a couple of boyz on the twinkie side of age but the rest looked ato be MORE than 18YO.;
- I invited #28. to join me: Khun Et., 22YO.; from Lop Buri; speaks ltd. English. Quite happy for me to play with him - well enough endowed, I thought.
- Smoking of ciggies. and loudish music.
2.4.- KRAZY DRAGON A GO-GO BAR.,
- Sunnee Plaza;
- ETA. was after 23.oo.hrs.;
- drinks at 99.Bh.;
- I was their one and only customer, and faced with a dozen or so horny boyz! :D
- What has occured in/to that place, wch. was so happening only a few months ago?
- No smoking and music pleasantly bkgd..

3. - 04th.:
3.1.- HAPPY BOYS A GO-GO BAR.;
- A couple of farangs, one of whom was smiling contentedly and progressing well enough in the 'Getting to know you.' routine!
- Khun Em joined me, as did two of his young friends, all of whom wanted me to take them upstairs either individually or a a sandwich! But it was Khun Em who was favored with my smile and MORE!
- There was some tallish young man there, white vest over jeans, who served drinks and who whispered: 'Good luck.' to me as I passed-by going upstairs - worth getting to know better, I thought.

-- But I'd agree with some previous postings about SP. having lost its fun - it was so quiet and ho-hum, really.

-- Just my Enthusiastic & American Friend & I shall be returning next week!

Dong tan beach
 

-- We visited DONG TAN BEACH daily during our recent visit to PATTAYA:
- 02nd. ETA. 14.oo.hrs. and were told that we were that concession's first visitors - the weather wasn't really all that conducive to going to the beach, but still ... .
- Some MORE farangs arr'd., but few of the usual Thai boyz whom one sees there most days. Several familiar faces amongst the Thai boyz, usually lamenting their being so out-of-luck with the few farangs there!
- 03rd. & 04th. were much better; although o'cast. the breeze was fresh and the seas were not too rough to discourage the swimmers.
- Not all that many vendors hawking their wares;
-- As for Russians we saw & heard several, including a couple that would put most capitalist & decadent White Whales to shame - immense, if not humungous!, but with all of that bulk they should be remarkably buoyant!

-- We'll see what next week will hold.

But there is a difference between thai/non thai in counting years. Does anyone know the difference? 543 years?

Correct 543 years. However if you examine the ID closely you'll see the date of birth is shown in both Thai and western calendars.

Also be careful , if a boy says he is 18 he often means he is in his 18th year, i.e. he will be 18 on his next birthday. A slight cultural difference rather than intentionally misleading.

I've never seen any reports of any -one being charged for sex with a 17 year old, but often for 16 and below. However if in doubt caution is the always the best policy.

-- In some of the LESS scrupulous a go-go bars it's not unknown for IDs. to be passed-around and given to any boi who's going to be offed.
- The bottom line is that checking both the DoB. and photo. may be insufficient as far as Pattaya's finest are concerned.

-- Some months ago my Enthusiastic & American Friend, having verified the boi's DoB., offed him from one of the SUNNEE PLAZA bars and ret'd. to his hotel.
- The next morning, when he came to retrieve the boi's ID. from Recept'n., the Receptioniste invited him to look MORE closely at the photo. - it was scratched, blurry and of little practical use in identifying the holder! One look from the Receptioniste was enough to advise my E&AF. that possibly he'd stepped into the wrong side of the legal age?

-- I can only endorse Khun Biggles' above WARNING! :(

I recently offed a beautiful 21 y.o. guy from Lucky 7. His face was very familiar, but I couldn't quite place him - I only knew I was strongly attracted to his lithe smooth body and cute chinese- featured face. Later that night around 1 am, after a very enjoyable few hours with him, he apologised that he had to leave to go to his other job. .... as a coyote dancer at The Dave disco. Then it clicked,,, I had oft' lusted after him as one of the hottest dancers there.

He confirmed that all the coyote boys at The Dave are gay, and available :) Pity I just cant handle 4 or 5 am nights any more :(

Where is "The Dave Disco"? In Pattaya?

dave disco
 

this map may help you to find Dave disco

Nicky's Gay Pattaya - Bars, Nightclub, Saunas, Massage, Restaurants

In Sunee plaza it is not unusual for a boy to present an ID which is in good condition except for the date of birth or the photo which is, for some curious reason, not quite legible. That, of course, is a deal breaker.

Sometimes the ID photo will have been taken several years earlier and the appearance may have changed. The boy may have presented another’s ID.

I ask for a boy's ID then, after I have it in hand, I ask the boy his birthday. If he has presented another lad’s ID, the look on his face upon realizing I have “his” ID, and he doesn’t know his birthday is easily worth the price of a drink.

The Dave Man club is very easy to find on North Pattaya Road (Pattaya nua) on the left about 100 m before you reach the beach road.

It doesnt even open til around midnight and the dancers first appear after 1 .30 am to 2 am. You can ask any of the waiters to tell a dancer you'd like to buy him a drink and he'll join you. Then it's "up to you" :)

It's 90% Thai patrons and they will usually order a botttle of whisky (for around 1,000 bt) for a table of 4 or 6 people and just offer a drink from that . However bottles of beer (my choice) and single drinks are available but if you order the bottle (usually 100 Pipers) it comes with its own cute waiter who makes sure the table has plenty of ice and never an empty glass! Dude Bar very similar but I havent been for a while and think it may have closed.

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HOTELS'/GHs'. news ...
 

1.- NEW PARADISE INN., 'The economy class hotel.',
- addr.: 12 moo, 10 soi 17, Pratumnak rd.,
SOUTH PATTAYA CITY, Chon Buri;
- tel.: (038)-42-64-10.;
- web: n/a.;
-- This inn is CLOSED pro tem. while in the hands of the builders, interior decorators and suchlike, who seem to be doing a thorough job of gutting it!

2.- On its advice - as our prefered hotel is accepting reservations for the Xmas./NY. period right now - my Enthusiastic & American Friend has reserved our rooms for a few days during that period; a sweetener being a small reduction in HIGH season's prices for early & confirmed bookings.
3.- From walking-around and asking various other hotels/GHs. have OPENED their books for reservations during that period, too.

-- E&OE.. - Usual disclaimers.