I guess I'm the only one who thinks USD 9.00 for a drink and a show of a type you can't see anywhere else in the world.

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"I guess I'm the only one who thinks USD 9.00 for a drink and a show of a type you can't see anywhere else in the world [is good value].". No, I would also agree and I also agree $3 shows are sometimes just as good!

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.. but have 2 beers, buy one or 2 for a boy &add off fee ... it sure adds up quick!

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Still ridiculously cheap for this kind of night out anywhere in the world.

You can reduce your expenses, though, but skipping the boy drinks. Just choose who you like and head for the door, if that is your end goal.

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-- Today, (19th.), and at tee rak's insistance we walked along R'damri. and as far as R'prasong. I'sect.; the crowds of red shirts becoming denser as we approached.
- Basically the red shirts had taken-over R'damri. rd. from the R'prasong. I'sect. towards PRATUNAM; but rd.-tfc. was flowing along - albeit v. slowly - Ploenchit & Rama I. rds.. The occupied section of R'damri. was covered with a network of red ribbons tied together.
- From time-to-time there were outbursts of cheering, whether orchestrated or spontaneous I didn't discover.
- Some members of BKK's. Finest were seen - but in no great numbers; no signs of military presence.

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Makes no sense to compare with the rest of the world for ex-pats. Does make sense for short time visitors.

Reason we all know same things can be had in Pattaya for less then 1/2 the price. And same things at the Girlie bars for considerably less then 1/2 the price.

Bottom line the Bars on Twilight are ripping people off but they are getting away with it so nothing to do but decide whether to support them.

I support them way less then 1/2 as much as I used to but I understand the customers they are appealing to think the prices are OK

As I posted hard to argue with what was happening at Boys Bangkok this weekend.

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Bars in Pattaya do not have the same full-on shows, and neither do the girlie bars.

I still think it's peanuts.

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Sorry but you are wrong. Xboys in Pattaya and Dynamite have all of it including Fucking and drinks are 140 baht. Other bars such as Copa have complete shows without Fucking and better then most on Soi Twilight.

Plus the only really first class show on Soi Twilight is at Boys Bangkok. The others are a joke and not worth anything IMHO and they are still charging outrageous prices for drinks.

Also keep in mind, many nights there are no Full On show as you call them. Strange I don't remember them lowering the prices on those nights.

They are Rip Offs plain and simple but they are the only game in town so they get away with it.

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I recently went to a bar in Pattaya and had no less than 10 guys sit next to me and jerk off (with my help) to completion over the course of a couple of hours. I have NEVER seen anything like it in Bangkok. Drinks were 140 Baht. Each guy got a 250 Baht tip. A lovely couple of hours with all sorts of gorgeous cocks and hard bodies. Honestly, where else in the world...

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I just think that it's a bit ridiculous that the difference between a "good deal" and a "rip-off" is USD 5.00...

Hardly worth arguing or worrying about.

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First of all I'm not arguing about it. I am stating a fact that the Soi Twilight Bars are Rip offs. They charge more then twice as much for the same thing available in Pattaya.

Second the drink is almost $10 at the price of 300 baht. I get water which costs 6 baht in 7/11 so 300 baht is a 50 times mark up (ridiculous)

Next I don't know about you but when I spend 90 minutes at a Bar I am likely to have 2 waters and I might like to buy at least 1 boy a drink, which now the total is $30.

Also except for the Fucking which is laughable, these types of show are available all over the world and boys to look at also. Try Montreal, Prague , Rio Ft Lauderdale and many more and none of them charge $10 for a drink.

The boys are the bargain not the Bars. Are they a necessary evil?

Yes unless you want to use Gayromeo. Do they need to charge the prices they do? Of course not. They rip off their customers because many are on a 3 day vacation and don't care.

That does not change the fact that the same is available in Pattaya for less then 1/2 the cost and the Bribes or Rents are no bigger in Bangkok.

I am the one who posted how big the crowd was at Boys on Friday night so I admit they can get away with it because many don't know any better.

I used to go to Soi Twilight 3 times a week and now at most 3 times a month.

I can find much better places to have drinks even in Bangkok and if I don't get to see 2 boys fucking who I would never take to bed anyways then I have lost nothing.

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I have been to all the places you mention -- Montreal, Prague, and Ft. Lauderdale. None of them offer anywhere near the miles of flesh you can see on the stage in Soi Twilight.

And try getting one of them to do a full-sex short-time with you for the equivalent of 1,500 baht. You can get a "private dance" for the length of one song (3-4 minutes) in Montreal for $15.00 -- with an open curtain (no privacy). In Florida, you're going to pay $100 - $150 PER HOUR, at least.

Prague is no longer cheap, either.

At Johnny's in Ft. Lauderdale -- which is what you're probably referring to -- parking is $8, entrance is $5, and drinks are $9.

I've also paid EUR $10.00 for a beer at a gay bar in Prague with one boy. Yes, one boy -- a single, fully-dressed boy.

As for Pattaya versus Bangkok, I'd think operating expenses in the center of a major world capital's prime financial district would be a bit higher than a shop house in a rundown "plaza" in Pattaya.

Police expenses are much higher in Bangkok, too -- don't forget that someone has to pay for your privilege of enjoying entertainment that is undeniably illegal.

The "six baht for a bottle of water" at 7-11 is a completely senseless argument -- at least until 7-11 starts offering boy fuck shows.

In the end, though, it's up to you. If you feel that $9-10 is a "rip-off" for a drink and all the flesh your eyes can possibly feast on, then you'll probably want to stay away.

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Your reply again is ridiculous. I firmly stated it is the boys who are the bargain and not the Bars . The boys are available all over Bangkok in many Bars for 120 baht drinks or less. They are available on Gayromeo for zero on drinks.

You are trying to justify the ridiculous prices the Bars on Soi Twilight charge by using what you have to pay the boys for sex. The bar charges an off fee for that and that should be plenty without ripping customers off on drink prices.

It is not a logical argument. The Bars in Montreal offer plenty of beautiful boys , naked hard etc. In fact many of the Bars have a far wider range of talent and far better looking then any bar on Soi Twilight. The drinks are $6. By the way Water is $4 which is 6x what it costs in 7/11 not 50x from the thieves on Soi Twilight. Yes if you want to take them home they are far more expensive then Thailand. But I don't need the Rip Off Bars on Soi Twilight to provide me with Boys. I can go to Soi 4 and get the same boys for $3 drinks Again if you think watching 2 or more of the least attractive boys on the Soi Fucking is worth paying $10 per drink then that is your choice.

You say Miles of Flesh . Where . There are no naked boys on stage on Soi Twilight. Unless you refer to the fairly unattractive boys in the Fuck Show which lasts about 6 minutes. In Montreal there is a constant flow of Naked and hard boys .

By the way even if you think the Fuck shows are worth $10 per drink where is your reply to the 30% of the time when there are no Fuck Shows(nasty police) Do the Rip Off owners lower their prices. Sure!!!

But don't try to tell me that is value for money. The Bars offer nothing that is worth that kind of money when compared to other areas in Thailand. The police are paid everywhere. It's a cost of doing business. Hell in Thailand you have Blow Job Bars where the drinks are 100 baht. In fact even a couple of gay bars in Bangkok where the same can be had and the drinks are 140 baht. I would guess that is all illegal also. ( a ridiculous argument from you)

Soi Twilight Prime Financial District , don't make me laugh so hard.

Go and look at Soi Twilight during the day. It is exactly the same as a Shop House in Pattaya . It is a joke. The area is a joke. where the taxi drivers are the same thieves as the Bar Owners. Financial Area for Thieves.

Maybe you are an owner of one of those Rip Off bars. Because otherwise your attempts to justify $10 drinks just don't make much sense.

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A straight farang who has been visiting BKK for decades told me that the bar owners in Patpong are thieves (he hates their guts, but when I asked him for details, he did not respond)--he says Soi Cowboy is fair and legitimate.

Also, maybe the farangs from expensive cities have driven up the expectations (prices) in BKK. I can't stand hearing New Yorkers, Londoners, etc. talking about how much a money boy would charge in their cities. Hot guys can be had in my medium-sized city, after some cruising, for $20 or $30--without all the artificial, conceited, "escort" routine.

Also, I've always felt that bars are a total waste of time, disappointing, etc. My lifetime observation is that any presence of alcohol totally changes the atmosphere to "waste of time." (I also learned very early to gay men with a cigarette--but this does not always apply to straight men.) I've always pondered the gay bar scene--it still makes no sense--but I think it has to do with with the presence of alcohol--like an unconscious, unexplainable, animal thing (the unconsciously-perceived odor of alcohol has some unconscious animal effect socially).

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Whilst I am astounded at your stamina (10 guys j/o) and wallet (10 x 250bt = a LOT) I agree Pattaya gets my vote every time. After my one night in BKK on Monday (visit Solid 120 bt for a beer & off a regular boy) I was back tonight in the flesh pots of Pattaya. There may not be many fuck shows, but as well as oggling the flesh, there is so much raw cock on show and on offer (I humbly admit to giving one cutie a j/o and 150 bt tonight) , you can have a good fondle for 20 bt a boy - unlimited.

Bangkok is regulated and rehersed. Pattaya is wild and raw. The life is now returning to the bar scene here and some of them (around Sunee) are just like going into a cage of semi house trained wild things- literally straight from the fields of Issan - possessing natural beauty, rythem (sic) and fun !

Boystown has plenty of cabaret shows, and a couple offer fuck shows if that turns you on - but for me it was never really a spectator sport.

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