I have a collection of lube packets from Babylon. I also carry small tubes of hand cream or whatever.

Anyway, has anyone had the experience of money boys who put their tongue on your body ever so slightly (pretending to be sexual) and then have a compelling need to spit out in a towel or whatever? I'm very clean, and have gone out, and connected with money boys within 1 or 2 hours of taking a long, diligent shower. I ask them if they kiss. They say yes. Then, they do not kiss (and do almost nothing else except fake shit) and if if I really insist on some more intimacy, they might sort of stick their tongue out and pretend to kiss my upper body or whatever. Then, they have this overwhelming need to spit out. It makes me really mad, and I don't put up with it very long, and the session ends quickly. They are given the minimum discussed, and definitely not given taxi money when they ask. I've never had this happen with guys I've met online, or guys who truly want hot sex. This last trip, it happened with a guy I met across from the Grand Palace, and another guy I met in Lumpini Park. (Both places were very disappointing this last trip--expect to get scammed by liars who end up doing VERY little.) The guy in Lumpini said he works in a massage place near Silom (I think he said it was called Sala Daeng Massage). What was strange was when he spit on the towel, it looked like there was blood in there. So maybe he had problems in his mouth. I sort of think that's something drug users do--inject in their mouths or gums--but the guy did not seem to be a drug user.

I did connect with a really nice guy across from the Grand Palace around 3 or 4 in the morning. But it took a lot of walking around and sizing guys up to pick one who was not a scammer. By the way, I consistently noticed some obviously under-age kids in one area. What was amazing was how many Thai drive around picking up the guys in that whole area. And the hustlers do get snapped up very quickly.

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wantasian.... you wonder why people criticize what you write?

To be honest you leave me speechless.

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Speechless is too mild ! I have better adjectives : repulsive or repugnant should be more apt ::

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Okay, I like real sex with real men. The people who don't like my comments are probably the same people who have ruined it for others by inflating the prices for what is basically unsatisfactory fake sex. This includes paying way too much for massages.

When I am in with one of these fakes who make way too much money getting picked up and doing almost nothing, I smile and am very friendly, and I end up say something like, "okay, this isn't working out, can you just leave now--I'll give you your XXX?." They know what the problem is (their fakeness) and they start offering me a massage or some other thing never agreed to. I insist, and we end the session. They probably laugh at what they made.

By the way, I was very successful at meeting guys online. I am honest and don't play gay games, and I don't do endless e-mails with fake farang charm. I met some really nice Thai students and others with good jobs who really like me.

I think the whole Bangkok cruising scene is being taken over by internet postings.

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Oh, by the way, I talked with a Chinese-looking (and basically cute) guy near Grand Palace. Like many others, he was with a friend (this usually indicates trouble--the best ones are by themselves). He couldn't speak any English. His friend translated. He started out high, and then it went down. Then, when I mentioned kissing, it quadrupled. I really think many of the street guys get picked up and do almost no substantive sex. They think they are valuable and can make a lot of money for just being a pretty ornament who gets picked up.

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There is tremendous conceit in your mails. The impression I get is that you are one of those cheapstake farangs who are always on the look out for a cheap dinner - forever whining and complaining about expenses, cheats etc etc. You say you do well with the Thai students -obviously, they are probably more gullible than the hardened guys in the bars.

I have no problems with what you do, or how successful you are in luring Thai stuents, or your inability to comprehend why some thais prefer older farangs to a deadly specimen such as you etc. When one reads your postings, one is livid; and believe me, I am not alone on this board.

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"Fakeness"?

You seem to have lost sight of the fact that OF COURSE it is fake. You are a john and they are a prostitute, and they are probably fighting the urge to throw up when you press your body against theirs or try to "kiss" them.

I think if you have repeated lack of satisfaction with prostitutes, you might want to give a try at finding a non-commercial hook-up who might actually have genuine sexual attraction to you. It might be difficult, but quality always wins out over quantity in my book.

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Hey, I'm just giving my observations.

By the way, I was talking with a farang in Bangkok last week who said that only about 1 out of 3 of the bar boys will give any kind of satisfactory sex. He said it's more worth it to just pay more in his country where he has some regulars. (In Bangkok, he goes to Babylon to meet guys, and likes it very much.)

I think more farangs should be mad if they off a guy from a bar, or pick up one elsewhere, and then spend a lot of time going to a room, and then the whole thing is a total waste of time. I totally don't care about the money--it's the fact that I've basically been misled into wasting a lot of time late at night, and I don't feel like going back and starting the whole thing over again.

Some guys really do perform, and are great. I had two really wonderful experiences this last trip (out of six such guys). It is unfair to these guys that there are a bunch of scammers out there.

I had a lot of wonderful times with guys I met online--none of whom wanted money. I'm going to meet some of these guys again on my next trip, plus some others where we just couldn't schedule to meet (they had final exams, or had to go upcountry during holiday, etc.).

I'm moving on to other subjects. Stop the bitchy viscious personal attacks--I'm just giving my observations. Farangs with money and a lot of time to waste have let the money boy situation get out of control (fakes who are kept on staff in bars, etc.). I know what I'm doing, I know how to size up guys and situations, and I hate making mistakes. I will not off a boy from a bar. And I don't do massage places. I've had really great sex from guys I met cruising other places.

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Not everyone agrees with you. I dont

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I said I am not alone. That does not mean everyone is with me. Fine difference there !

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Seriously, you should be happy that nothing worse than the guy spitting in a towel happened. Very happy.

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Maybe he had tuberculosis.

Not a small number of the street trade are boys who got kicked out of their bars for drug or health reasons.

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-- Should you decide to indulge in the Final Favor do you use these 'small tubes of hand cream or whatever. ' in lieu of a water-based lube.?

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I usually used water-based, but I've never had a problem with apparently-non-water-based. A very long time ago, I had a condom break on a very big, hot, masculine Puerto Rican, and I think it was not water-based. The water base seems not to be as good a lubricant. Actually, I think the safe sex counselors are wrong to even be wasting time talking about using only water-based.

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