Is that ever true.

Today growing up they have Gay/Straight Alliances in junior high and high school - hell some kids even have the courage to come out at that age. These days they realize they are not the only one....

When I was growing up even with guys I fooled around with we never really talked about it or even really addressed the idea of "gay" - there would be comments about girls we thought were cute or how we wished there was a girl with us right now - and then we would fool around.

Like if we said something about a girl it made it less gay.

But still there was the relief that I was not the only one....

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Even with all of today's enlightenment and progress, the military is still a very difficult environment for men and women who aren't 100% hetero. While outright hostility may be tamped-down, there is plenty of subtle hostility. Junior high school-like exclusion from hanging with the popular kids is not at all uncommon. It does a number on the psyche over time. And, if you're in a hetero marriage and trying to come to grips with your homosexuality, it's really tough.

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Some environments will always be less gay-friendly/tolerant than the others. In many male-mostly/only environments, policing the other guys' sexuality becomes almost everyone's fav pastime.

Heterosexuality is a very fragile concept. In the absence of regular dating possibilities, men have little means of demonstrating their heterosexuality, and by default, everyone is under the suspicion of being gay. So, guys go around posting pin up girls all over the place, and exchanging or watching lesbian sex movies. (Straight movies are not too good, since you get to see other dudes' tools, and that alone is already deemed suspicious, too.)

Fortunately, the tide is changing. I have heard a few younger str8 men saying that they have a few gay friends. Nope, they are not afraid of being perceived as being guilty by association, as used to be the case in the past. Quite on the contrary, they are saying that they are so comfortable with their sexuality that they could not care less what the others may think.

KD

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That is a great thing - that straight guys are not as afraid to be friends with gay guys these days. When I was growing up not that any one was OPENLY out - but if they were you would not have dared hang out with them for fear of guilt by association - if your friend is gay you must be too...

There is still a long way to go but it is nice to see that the younger generation is not as afraid of it as we were....

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I used to travel somewhat regularly between nj/pa/ct (visiting family/friends) for several years and made a point to stop (and sometimes hang out a bit) at the various rest areas along the way. Several had glory holes., but not once was there ever someone on the other side. Not uncommon to see someone I'm pretty sure I wold have enjoyed having a taste of, but never detected any interest. The only mensroom action I had was with a friend (we 15yrs old) I played with. We actually went to see the movie, his mom dropped us off, movie over, mom still 30 min to pickup, had to pee, went to the bathroom, we peed, he got hard and giggled. I was nervous as heck someone might come in but he pulled me into a stall to take care of his hardon.

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Oh ya. Sounds great

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