Until my last visit I had always assumed Silom massage was the one place in that area where nothing happened and would therefore often be my starting point on a wet Sunday afternoon. But last time got a hand job and a grope.

Went to Golden Cock last night, only two boys downstairs. Another 4 were upstairs with one customer. Had always been to the same upstairs room before - but went to the other one and quite clean etc with shower etc.

Then tried Prime. Impressed with cleanliness of the place - showers etc. For some reason after climbing 4 flights of stairs they put me in a room next to one already in use (with mb phone etc). At 11pm can not think it can have been that full. Had probably the worst massage for a long time - all disjointed and not relaxing. Boy seemed to have no interest in extra activities until right at the end used hand signals to say Bht500 for hand job. Declined.

Then went onto Surawong to Tarntawan massage (many years ago went when it seemed more inside the hotel - now on the street). Had an enthusiastic "Toy" who stripped down to his underpants at the beginning, did give a very good massage and extras at the end. A good cure for my jet lag and had a very good sleep that night.

-- I wasn't all that charmed with my masseur's performance at 'PRIME.' either, but allowed that it's still fairly new, masseur might not be all that experienced and that it was my first visit there.
-- bibi..

-- Y'day. evening, (12th.), before going to 'INDRA MASSAGE.', as usual, I resolved not to take any pills and/or tablets but just allow events and Nature to take their course.
- I arr'd. at about 21hrs. and was assigned Khun Kid: 20YO. from I-San; speaks little English; tall & pleasant looking; body tattooed - but not overly so.
- Before starting I asked him to remove his masseur's trousers and shirt; but maybe he misu'stood. me as he just rolled-up his trousers.
- A generally fair enough massage, plenty of att'n. to my back; occasionally his fingers brushed along those places that others' fingers don't usually reach.
- Turning over I asked him to undress, wch. he did - but only as far as some very loose shorts wch. presented few obstacles to my searching fingers, wch. soon discovered the usual TH. boi std. issue.
- His fingers suggested what he wanted, so off came his shorts and then I offered him the 'Final Favor.'; but 'Ognib!', his ****, wch. had been strong enough before the Condom was applied, suffered a loss of BP. and prolonged massage couldn't repair the sitn.; but eventually he achieved an 'Happy Ending.' - stg. that I didn't, and didn't worry about unnecessarily.
- Afterwards we enjoyed a shower together, during wch. he told me that he likes to kiss and to be kissed: both orally and nipples and he likes to smoke and to be smoked, so I was pleased to gratify his likes, and much to my pleasure, too! But he will not offer the Final Favor.
- Downstairs, I was informed that my last week's masseur, Khun Rahn, had left and moved to elsewhere.
-- bibi..

Sextile - wonder if the boy you refer to as rahn is the one who wrote his name down for me as Run. He starts work there at 7.30pm. I knew hin previously when he was at Starry and had him at Indra twice in last couple of weeks. He has just left to work at Sukhothai Massage. Had a boy there last night whose name forgot to take but he did a full body to body massage with plenty of oil.

Also been back to Tarntawan massage a couple of times to have both Toy and Noi.

AT Apsara a couple of nights ago had a boy who was into absolutely nothing - which just goes to show the hit and miss affair of these types of places.

hcmpp....you are absolutely right about the "hit and miss" in these places.

I went to Tarntawan Massage last Saturday evening. I was assigned to a guy named Peter. He's probably 30 years old. He was well aware of what "could" go on, but began talking immediately about how much tip I was planning to give him. He insisted on THB 1,500 to take his clothes off. I was not in a mood to argue, so I agreed. He wouldn't let me smoke him and preferred to jerk his member himself. He basically didn't even want to touch me at all. He did shoot a nice load on my chest. But, all-in-all, it was NOT worth the cost and the effort needed. I liked Tarntawan, but will not have that particular lad agian.

-- Hcmpp.,
- You may well be quite correct about about Khun Rahn/Run. While I don't ask the boi to write-down his name in English I do try and repeat it after his telling me, so there may well be differences; but here I'm sure that both of us have ident'ed. the same masseur.
- This 'Hit or miss.' sit'n. does emphasise the need to pass-around the names etc.. of the good, the bad and the ugly as far as local masseurs are concerned - then all of us shall be aware of the bad ones and leave them alone until such time as they'll mend their ways and improve.
- Before going to the massage room I'm in the habit now of asking for the masseur's name; and my Address Book notes both good and bad masseurs for future ref. - not just for myself but for other enquirers.
-- bibi..

I popped into Body Club last evening (Wednesday) at 6.30. There was quite an impressive line-up of available lads (and I noticed that all the massage rooms were occupied on each level we climbed). I told the mamasan my usual requirement: "I want someone with a big cock." He pointed out 5 or 6 lads that he thought would fit that description.

I chose a lad named "That".....or maybe it was "Than"....at least it was some part of speech.

The massage I got was "passable"....barely. However, the poor lad could NOT get his member hard enough to do anything. (The mamsan was correct....it's VERY big....but useless.) After trying and trying, he finally resorted to laying down on the mat and jerking off....FOREVER. I dare say I was NOT his first load of the day, although he was finally able to cum a bit.

This lad was NOT interested in pleasing me at all. As soon as he'd cum, he shot up off the bed and headed into the shower.

My 90 minute massage was over with in 55 minutes....including pre and post showers and waiting patiently for the lad to cum. Also, he seemed quite put out when I gave him "only" THB 1,200...which I though was MORE than generous.

Great place, that....but take a pass on That....or Than...or whatever his name is.

-- Billinbkk.,
- Your comments about 'BODY CLUB.' and the masseur chosen noted. Possibly 18.30hrs. is getting-on a bit in time to expect to have a still 'uncum.' masseur?
- I'd say that your TIPS. of 1,200.oo.Bh. was MORE than generous for the svce. rec'd.!
- Possibly you should ADD the flg. to your requirements: '... and hasn't been with another customer earlier today.'?
-- bibi. --

-- PS.-
- I had thought of visiting 'BODYCLUB.' that very evening, but my 'Piggy Bank.' wasn't so agreeable - another time, perhaps?

-- Y'day., (15th.), I went to 'BAAN TEWA.', (S. Sathorn 7/1., behind SGP. Embassy.), for my usual 90mins'. oil-massage.
- This time I was assigned to Khun Saeng: 23YO.; from I-San; speaks v. liitle English; wouldn't win a prize at any Beauty Comp'n..
- Gave me a thorough and professional massage, during wch. his fingers lightly touched-upon those parts not usually ... !
- For the final few moments I was invited to rest my ankles upon his shoulders; but after a few mins. - wch. I didn't find all that pleasurable, really, (Khun Kob gives a much better and MORE enjoyable job; I must advise him to train his masseurs a bit better for that - ha!), - I persuaded him to lie-back so that I could pleasure him, (std. uncut & TH.-boi issue.), wch. he seemed to enjoy although without any ejac'n..
-- bibi. --

Guys
Have any of you experienced the "Harmony Massage" ?
Do any of you have recommendations for guys with big tools & great ff with the occasional whip ?

I'm not kinky ... its just i like hard sex where the entire body explodes .......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Furthermore, r there any locations where one can find a generic video head cleaner ??

I m so hot ... that i 'm horny like a dog 24/7

Maybe there place at BKK Hilton ??

-- Y'day., (19th.), evening I went to 'INDRA MASSAGE.',(opp. 'Tawan Bar.'.), for my usual and monday's massage, arriving at 21.hrs..
- I was offered Khun Ne, but having enjoyed his attentions before I asked for the next masseur whom I hadn't had before and was offered Khun Maikey: 25YO. from I'San; shorter & thickset body; newly arr'd. there; speaks just basic English -so I asked the Mamsan how we would communicate? ' Just use body-language.' she replied - ha! Ha!!
- The massage began well-enough and soon he was astride of me to massage my shoulders the better. He soon u'stood. my body-language and removed both shirt & maseur's trousers.
- One thing followed another until it was all too obvious: uncut and std. TH.-boi issue. However,as soon as he put-on a Condom his BP. dropped and couldn't be refortified, no matter what both of us tried. So we concluded with him giving me a std. hand-job while I smoked him.
- Afterwards we enjoyed a shower together before dressing and going downstairs.
-- bibi. --

HCMPP - can you please give me a heads-up as to where Sukhothai is? I do like an oily b2b...

I also visited Indra last night - don't know the boy's name but he was quite tall and much more chunky than appeals to me. However, he gave a damn fine and quite arousing massage - however I never accepted his offer of extras as I prefer a visual treat to accompany others' ministrations...

Tonight I decided to try some place I have not seen mentioned on these hallowed pages, but is listed on Dreaded Ned - The Fan Club.

It is pretty easy to find - located a little way down on the first soi on the right as you go along Convent Road from Silom.

The place has the look of a post-modern bar from the outside, all chrome and moody lighting. Inside is a narrow room with all the boys (around 20) lounging around just inside. Customers are taken upstairs to a first floor balcony area that looks over the ground floor room.

The mamasan was very friendly without being over the top or annoying. He gave me a price list that ranged from 1hr oil at 400 to 2 hour aroma oil at 1100, although he said I could have a special price of 1000, or if I wanted 2 boys, 1500. They also do scrubs etc, but unfortunately they had run out of cream. He also pointed to the minimum tip giude - 800 baht for 1 1/2 hours if no sex (his words), minimum of 1000 if sex had, he said. Personally I like the idea of a 4-hand massage more than the actual thing so I opted for a 1 1/2 hour oil massage for 650 baht.

The range of boys was good - all standing on the floor below, most having taken off their shirts. I chose a wiry, lean boy called Yo who was 28, from Bangkok and spoke pretty good english.

The massage room was good, roomy, clean and modern. It had a decent shower in it, plus one of those large low beds.

The massage was good, firm and covered everything that should have been covered. A happy ending was offered but declined due to an ongoing battle with personal demons, however the nice thing was that Yo was happy to lie with me in his arms and talk for what seemed like forever. Certainly when I left, it was closer to 2 hours after arriving so there was none of the short changing that you can get elsewhere.

8 out of 10 - was definitely worth a repeat visit.

-- Spoonfed,
- Pity that you couldn't remember that masseur's name in 'INDRA MASSAGE.'.
- I've rec'd. one verbal report of a poor masseur therein from another poster to this thread; but - touch wood - I've been fortunate there, sofar!

-- Thanks for your good info. about 'FAN CLUB.' - appreciated!
- It may be contacted: (02)-631 1442-43. --- http://www.fanclubmassage.com
- It's business hrs. are posted as: 12-24.oo.hrs.
-- bibi. --

Had an hour to spare this afternoon after visiting a client, so I looked for Fan Club. Easy enough to find.

As I walked in the door my phone rang, to tell me an angry client was arriving in my office in 5 minutes. I sat down on the chair just inside the front door to continue the call, rather than take the stairs to the 'viewing level'.

Instant bad mouthing from several over-confident boys about farang baar (farang stupid). Captain came down stairs and tried real hard to interupt my phone conversation by putting the menu under my nose continuously. Request to please wait a moment totally ignored.

I'll wait 6 months before I give this place another look.

Regards

"Instant bad mouthing from several over-confident boys about farang baar (farang stupid)."

...actually I think they said you were a crazy farang, not stupid!........ :)

-- Y'day., (21st.), evening and on my way to a musical concert at the 'Goethe Inst'te.' on Soi Goethe,(off S' Sathorn soi 1.), I walked from Si Lom rd. along Convent rd., (on same side as 'Calif. Now!' fitness in Liberty Square.), and towards N. Sathorn; not too far along Convent rd. and opposite to the newish 'Molly Malone's.',(formerly 'Irish X-change.'), is a small soi on one's RHS. that's between a flower shop and a double-fronted travel agency and wch. often has an illuminated sign at the ent'ce. for 'Indigo, (cuisine francaise.), rest't.'. 'FAN CLUB.' is down that sub-soi on one's LHS..
- I went-in to obtain their business/name card. The receptionist told me that 'FAN CLUB.' is under the same mngmnt. as is 'GQ. MASSAGE.' on Suan Phlu,(en route to Immig'n. Bureau.), soi 6., (#[02]-677-5915. - http://www.gqmanmassage.com),.
- When I turned to go there were the boyz all lined-up, ready and waiting!
-- bibi --

Last night was busy in Solid, but nothing caught my eye. I left with firm intentions of going straight home but the gins kicked in as I passed Indra and I popped in.

Masseur's name was Kob - I don't know his age but I would say around early 30s. He was short, stocky in a rugby player sort of way, and has close cropped hair.

He gave me an excellent massage - nice and firm, although he kept a respectful distance from interesting areas. Towards the end he did offer extras, but there was no music in the air for me so I said thanks but no.

Body Club this afternoon - around 25 boys, of whom 3/4 were more than appealing. I picked a boy called Ten. He said that he was 28 and had worked there since it first opened. He has excellent English, cropped hair, slim etc.

He gave a fine massage - plus pushing those extra buttons. When it came to the latter 15 minutes or so, things got very steamy. He said to me that he did everything, and I can definately believe it - he was more than happy to spend 5 minutes rimming me. He was seemingly well into it - the synchronised happy ending being the proof I needed.

A question came to mind this afternoon (and this is not a criticism): when Indra suggest that business is not great, why do they insist on charging 700 baht for a 1 hour massage in shabby looking dormitories with shared showers, when the Body Club charge 490 baht for 1 1/2 hours in a great big, clean and well decorated room with private shower (plus you get to choose your masseur there)? Which if the two places should rethink their pricing structure?

-- Spoonfed,
- As a regular to 'INDRA MASSAGE.' I read your views with interest.
- 1.- I pay 800.oo.Bh. for a 90mins. aroma-oil massage, wch. seems to me to be round and about a std. price;
- 2,- Agreed, the rooms aren't all that great; although your word 'Dormitories.' wouldn't be my first choice of words;
- 3.- They have their own rota system there - designed, I suppose - to ensure that all masseurs have a customer in time. But that having been written I'm working my way through them from my first set of requirements, and am at my 8th. masseur out of 21 on staff. But possibly no reason to prevent you from stating your needs and wants and seeing who's presented to you.
- I'm trying to work on the Mamasan about such things but it's a slow, very slow job, and one with wch. I should proceed with caution.
- I've not visited 'BODY CLUB.' yet and so can't make any comparisons between the two.

-- Y'day., (22nd.), a'noon. went to 'BAAN TEWA.', (S. Sathorn 7/1.), for my weekly 90mins. and oil-massage, for wch. I paid 800.oo.Bh..
- I chatted beforehand with the Mngr. - Khun Kob., a 'cutie.' according to some SGPeans. - about his business, wch. is INCREASING slowly - there's a paid advert. in the freebie. mag. 'Variety.', Vol.VI., #56., (avail. for many g*y outlets.),.
- Presently he has four masseurs on staff full-time, (PLUS himself.), and can call-on a further three part-timers if the number of customers warrants it.
- I was handed-over to Khun OO.: 28YO.; from I-San; shortish and chunky body; speaks adequate enough English.
- Before starting the massage he removed his tee-shirt - but not his masseur's trousers - revealing a dark brown and well-muscled body: fine for those who admire defined Abs..
- Had one of the best massages that I've had for a long time: best of 'BAAN TEWA.' and so far better than 'INDRA MASSAGE.': firm - neither hard nor painful - professional and thorough with his fingers giving an occasional hint of other pleasures yet to cum!
Interestingly enough the only prior massage experience that he'd had before joining 'BAAN TEWA.' was in some massage-school or other. Before going to that school he'd worked in a branch of 'Lotus Tesco.' earning 7K.Bh. per mensem.
- He was quite happy enough to remove his trousers & u'pants. - uncut & std. TH.-boi issue - and was a MORE than willing participant; so much so that I think that it might be worthwhile inviting him back when he's OFF-duty.
-- bibi. --

Last night in the LOS for God knows how long so I thoght I would head along to Banana Club to (a) check out the first gay place I plucked up the courage to visit when I was a callow young thing; (b) check out this Hungarian guy - red heads o it for me...

Sadly, was not to be - it seems he is a popular guy, so much so that he is currently up country wth a customer, and not due to return till Monday.

Therefore I consoled myself with a cute young student called Eak who came recommended by the mamasan.

The place is entered by the side door (Sukhumvit soi 9 I believe) and you ar eled into a long, narrowish, nicely decorated room.

There were about 20 or so boys lounging about at the back, about 10 metres away, all paying me minimal attention - quite relaxing compared to the intense pressure from the likes of Adonis when they all crowd round you.

The mamasan sat and talked in a pleasant and unhurried manner - no pressure, no sacharin sweetness, just a nice chat about the KL scene and what the other massage places in BKK are like at the moment.

Anyway, he suggested Eak and I accepted the offer based on him being the most experienced masseur on the premises.

Eak led me upstairs to a communal locker room that was very clean and well maintained. I was given a locker with a lock and towel. After I undressed in peace, Eak led me to the shower room which was actuall on an outside area - sounds strange, but it was nicely laid out with decking and tropical plants, and was very discreet.

The room itself was basic - a mattress laid in the middle and a couple of small tables and the standard mood lighting.

The massage was actually very good in performance, good pressure in the right places and lots of firm strokes on the places that make me quiver (backs of calves and forearms etc) but all very decent. The negative thing was that it was very rushed - in fact Eak announced the massage complete in exactly 30 minutes then proceeded to lie beside me. That there were no special buttons pressed during the massage itself meant that I was not really in the mood for much. Still, as it was to be my last foray for a while, I gave into the temptation and we had an interesting 15 minutes or so.

One thing that confused me was that after he offered himself to me to smoke, he insisted on putting a condom on me before he returned the favour. Unfortunately they only had Thai sized condoms, not Scottish sized so that was not so successful (although it is always good for the ego!)

Anyway, to cut a long, boring story short, the place was nice, the mamasan really cool and down to earth an I would definately return, although for a different boy - sadly, according to the mamasan, it seems that the Hungarian lad will not be around for much more than a couple of months so I will not be able to enjoy his technique, but I will read this board with interest!

As I said, I am off the frozen arctic wastes tonight so will have nothing to report for an eternity, but I shall keep reading these pages with interest - I have always said that the anticipation is better than the event...

Needing some attention yesterday, I popped into the Fan Club, a place which as been recently mentioned here. As noted, it's very easy to find and a quick walk from the BTS.

I was intrigued that you are immediately led upstairs where you are shown a drink menu and have a chat with the mamasan whilsts the boys are all gathering downstairs. Once they're assembled (on the floor below) you can make your choice.....viewing them through a wall-sized plexiglass window.

I told the mamasan my usual "requirement"......someone with a big dick, and added (as Sextile suggested), who had NOT had a customer that day. The mamasan assured me that ALL of the boys were fresh and they were all execellent at massaging inasmuch as the mamasan had been their massage instructor. Given my "requirements" the mamsan recommended a guy named A...who was the only big dicked guy in the place.

A and I climbed the 3 flights of stairs to a room. Without belabouring the point, what the mamasan neglected to tell me was that A had a big dick because he's had silicone injections!!!!! His dick was THE worst looking thing I've EVER seen (and I've seen a few.....) and he wasn't able to do a thing with it. I insisted that he cum. After a 20 minute jerk, he was able to dribble out 3 or 4 drops.

A, as you can tell, is a total waste of time. However, I quite liked Fan Club and will apply my "3 strikes" rule before passing any type of judgement on the place. They had a lineup of about 12 boys available at 4.30 when I was there. Judging by looks alone, I'd say that more of them were gay than straight.

-- Y'day. evening I went to 'INDRA MASSAGE.', (Soi Than Tawan.), for my usual & monday evening's massage.
- After by-passing a couple of boyz who'd massaged me before I was assigned to Khun Tin.: 24YO.; from I-San; shortish & thick-set, no great beauty; worked before in 'Busaba Massage.', (a M2M. parlor on Rama IV rd.); has 2 bros. back on the family's farm in I-San; shares acc'n. in Thonburi with another masseur.
- Without being asked he removed his shirt and masseur's trousers.
- A fairly std. massage, but with no great att'n. being paid to those parts on wch. the sun doesn't shine usually: a v. occasional brush of his fingers' tips was all. One thing that he did do was, kneeling down, to lift me up and place my thighs atop of his so that his fingers could work all around my lower torso and thighs.
- Atfter I'd turned over and we'd chatted briefly he intimated that he'd be happy for me to grant him the 'Final Favor.' and added the word 'TIPS.', to wch. I replied that such things would be "Up to me."; but as my stomach was a trifle upset I suggested another time for that particular pleasure. So he lay-back and I smoked his std. issue TH.-boi ****. while he played gently with mine.
- Afterwards we had a shower together.
- Carpenters are at work laying wooden flooring for a couple more massage rooms on the GF.; possibly they'll be moving around to improve the facilities elsewhere in the bldg.?

Fan Club
 

I went there this afternoon and had a very nice massage from a young man named Wat. I felt no pressure to choose. It was a nice relaxing atmosphere.

-- Y'day., (29th.), a'noon. I went to 'BAAN TEWA.', (S. Sathorn 7/1. - behind SGP. Embassy., #089-009 6633.), for my usual and 90mins'. oil-massage.
- I chose Khun Oo who massaged me last week - so little new to add.
- This time I prevailed upon him to remove his shirt and masseur's trousers before starting, wch. - having turned down the lighting - he did.
- His massage was so good that he was pressing me, literally, for the ' Final Favor.', and ordinarily I would have submitted, but as neither of us had brought a Condom it was a case of "No Condom - no sex,", (this boy-scout wasn't prepared.),.
- Anyway, he was a MORE than willing participant in some ' soixante neuf.' with wch. we closed the session.
- NB.: Those who enjoy oral s*x might want to bring their own mouth-wash with them as none is provided for that purpose.
- Usual disclaimers etc.etc., apart from being a satis. customer.
-- bibi. --

You guys are really so exciting to hear about your conquests....
i must be a bitch because i seem always to get those with great fingers & mouths.

My recent ... are both in PATTAYA ...
Narcissus .... Gun (Chiang Mai) std tool ... but the fingers turn you ... fantastic massage ... even when he is caressing your penid in one hand & fingering you with the other & both of us are french kissing at the same time ... you can imagine what entails .... an explosion of activity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blue Boys ..... Noom (Isaan / ex army) std tool ... but fingers that send you to another limit .. of couse fingering (ff) is a must for me

I love full action with masseur & get in everytime if you tell the mamasan exactly your requirements.

Furthermore, their is a young man in HOTMALE, Soi Twilight #33 Frook ... he is short with a big tool (participates in the big c*** show. He is hot in bed (i leave it to your imagination) as i like to go around the world .... ending with a full fanfare .... plenty decorators needed

Yes .. i do not take any medications ... but i know how to use my body to the element.

Several guys stated that they have amazing sex with me (ok .. i like bisexual/married men)

..well, after plowing through the oh so many pages on this thread, maybe it should be renamed, "The Masochist's guide to Bangkok.. or how I spent umpteen hours and umpteen (baht, dollars, euro, etc) to be abused..".
..and here I always thought paying one's money entitled one to some satisfaction..

Glute.....you've clearly never spent much time in The Kingdom. Things are different here.....which makes everything VERY interesting, and which keeps those of us who are here posting.

You're absolutely correct Billinbkk

Ok ... i may be highly demanding in what i require. Remember these guys are providing a service & like all services you pay. THe better the job ... the better reputation the club gets.

Really, i'm looking for a place with slings & all the regalia for whips; chains & sheer enjoyment .... just like in EU.

Remember everyone has fetishes. I personally do not like saunas like Babylon (not my scene). Hence, i prefer the services around me.

I have had sex with so many nationalities .... it is hard to determine which i prefer. Although my heart is clearly anchored in Asia.

Incidentally ... i only have sex with persons over 25 yrs old & preferably married (no strings)

c u in a massage club ..... in bkk (tomorrow)

By the way last night i was so horny i had hard core sex 4 times in 5 hours ... not bad for a 50 yr old.

c u all in hero or arena

-- Possibly 'BARBAR.' in Phat Pong 2, (Si Lom rd. end.), might be more your scene?
- There's info. available from search-engine Google: 'BANGKOK - BarBar.' was what I entered.
- I've walked past many a time but have never entered - not my scene; possibly AYOR.?
- Usual disclaimers all around - ha!
-- bibi. --

-- Y'day., (03rd.), I went to 'INDRA MASSAGE.' as usual and was allocated Khun Ting.: 24YO.; from I-San; of avg. height and quite thick-set, works-out most days with a pr. of dumb-bells; speaks better English than most, so fair conversations possible; has a younger bro. and a younger sister both married with children; lives on his own on Rama III.; he's been working there about 3mos.. A pleasant young man.
- Having turned-down the light he was quite happy to remove his shirt and masseur's trousers: often a good sign.
- The massage was alright; although, despite my asking, on the gentle or soft side.
- When he came to massage my shoulders he was a bit hesitant initially about taking-off his u'pants. and my smoking him; but anyway there was his ****, uncut and std. TH.-boi issue, at att'n. already. After that was completed he donned his u'pants. again.
- V. little att'n. was paid to my glutes. and to those places were the sun ... .
- I asked if he were g*y? To wch. he replied that he didn't really know. Further questions elicited that he likes to be a T*p and may be smoked by the right man.
- I smoked him a 2nd. time, wch. he seemed to enjoy - thrusting fwd. his hips and so on; afterwards - at my urging - he didn't put-on his u'pants. again and so I was able to play with him while he massaged my Li'l. Bro. - not all that skillfully.
- As he seemed to have neglected certain parts of me I asked him to lie-down prone and shewed him how to turn-on B*tt*ms so that they would be readier for what would be to follow.

-- Afterwards, and downstairs, I chatted with the MamaSan and learnt that I was only their 2nd. customer at 21.15hrs. - but that a few more came-in later.
- So I suggested to her that to INCREASE business she should do what the bars do - have an 'Happy Hour.' on say mons. to thus. incl., and from opening time to 19hrs.. But with 'PRIME ON SIX.' now open just along the soi she no longer has a monopoly of the g*y massage trade thus she'll have to make her place different from the gen'l. run of such places if she wants to stay in business. Well - we'll see what she'll do; 'Up to her .' to adapt slightly what the TH. boyz are alleged to say - ha!

-- As an aside and picking-up another correspondent's point - while I was being massaged I heard moans & groans of delight emanating from the next door room, where some Ch. man was enjoying a four hands' massage!

-- bibi. --

It seems to me from your descriptions that Indra isn't really set up to be a sex massage place. If it were, the masseurs would get naked immediately and certainly know that sex services were going to be on the menu. It sounds more like Sukhothai (next to Silom Complex) where they have male masseurs, and you might be able to get a sexual favor, but it's not like an Arena, Hero, Aqua, B&N, etc. -- (which are basically brothels in the disguise of massage parlors).

Am I right?

Icon.....you are 100% correct. When Indra was located on Soi Sala Daeng, I was the ONLY customer who ever asked for anything (according toone of their massage-lads I had originally met at Tony Massage years ago). Then, the lady-owner lost the lease on that building and had to move. So, when she found the building across from Tawan Bar she knew that she would have to change her "offerings", but didn't account for that when designing the massage rooms.....the walls don't go all the way to the ceiling, there are not doors on the rooms (only curtains), no private bathrooms/showers, etc.

The lady has the right idea but, as Sextile has pointed out a few times, the's NOT the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to gay businesses. At this point in time, most of the boys aren't surprised when their customers want extras, but they're not about to get naked with you at the outset of the massage as they do at "real" whore houses.

-- I wouldn't disagree with Billinbkk's analysis.

-- Further to the a/m. chat with the MamaSan I gathered that most of the customers are one-time JP., thus the boyz don't get to 'know' their customers likes and dislikes; possibly these JP. prefer a leisurely strip-show, as opposed to our more 'In an hurry.' Westerners' approach?
- But I u'stand. that very few of her customers are really repeat customers; hence my proposal of an equivalent of the bars' 'Happy hour.' to attract MORE and hopefully cum-again customers - ha!
-- bibi. --

Located as Indra is in a tourist area, it wouldn't be realistic to expect a high frequency of repeat customers. Not that it isn't possible - after all Tawan has repeat customers galore - but "repeat" may mean 3, 6 or 12 months later.

It looks as if this business has to rely primarily on first-time visitors for a long while before repeat business (if any) keeps it afloat. Hence advertising is essential for the business to take off. It needs to be advertised in gay publications and websites.

That said, generating repeat business among tourists is not impossible. There is a massage parlour in Johor Baru, Malaysia, that does a pretty good job of it (on top of its advertising). It collects the last 4 digits of customers' cellphone numbers and stores it in a computer database. When the customer returns and cites the same last 4 digits, he gets a special deal. It doesn't matter whether he returns 3 weeks or 3 years later. It's the same. it's better than giving out coupons which people lose.

However, Indra's problem may simply be this: it's not clear to customers what the product offer is: located on the same soi as Tawan, people may expect a "get-straight-to-the-point" massage and play act, yet they offer something less than that (unless the customer is as forthright as sextile). So Indra may be LOSING repeat business simply for that reason.

First rule of business: is your product what the market wants?

From the sounds of sextile's reports, it's definitely not what I want. I want a line-up from which to choose, a Mamasan who will tell me who's well-equipped, who's top and who's bottom. I don't want to have to wrestle a boy out of his skivvies, and I want him to do more sexually than just receive a "favor". Finally, I want a room that is private.

But, other people may want different things. I note that Sukhothai seems to be doing a roaring trade from people who just want a massage from a guy, and perhaps a little grope. I've only been there once, and didn't even get a grope (I did not attempt to initiate anything, though, as the boy I was assigned looked like he'd been living under a bridge after just getting out of prison).

-- Thus, to comply with this 'First Rule of Business.' 'INDRA MASSAGE.' should survey its customers to find-out what's 'Needed & wanted.'.
- Then, that having been done, it should prepare to deliver.
- But, from my conversations with the MamaSan, that's unlikely to happen for reasons best known to herself.
- Equally I'd say that talking with her about advertising would be a waste of breathe. I doubt if she's even bothered to contact 'Sp*rt*c*s Guide.', as I suggested several weeks ago, for a free entry therein.

-- I daresay that most of 'TAWAN MEN's BAR.' customers are hankering after muscled types, whereas most of 'INDRA's' masseurs are of a slimmer and slighter build - hence the former's customers are unlikely to be the latter's, too.

-- Well, it's not my business; but that having been written I wouldn't like to see it fail.

-- As an aside I see that yet another Massage Parlor has opened in that area: in the same newly built block as 'PRIME ON SIX.' - but it looks to be MORE of a girlie place?

-- bibi. --

-- Sofar I've enjoyed some dozen masseurs, out of possibly a score on staff, at 'INDRA MASSAGE.': all of them to date have been the usual and std. TH.-boi issue ****.
- Privacy is a rare commodity there.

-- bibi. --

-- Y'day., 06th.), I went to 'BAAN TEWA.', S. Sathorn 7/1.,(behind SGP. Embassy.), and was assigned to Khun Oo again.
- Shirt & trousers were removed w/o. my asking and u'pants. came-off soon thereafter. It was remarkable just how often his **** and my hand seemed to meet - ha!
- Well, to cut-short a long story I succembed and offered my honor and he honored my offer etc. etc.! He performed manfully and time went-by all too quickly.

-- Afterwards I chatted with Khun Kob, (jnr. partner & mngr.), who told me that he'd prefer it if his clients did not indulge in *n*l s*x as he didn't want his place to become like ... and here he named a couple of other massage parlors that some correspondants have likened to 'Wh*r*houses.'; however hand-jobs and smoking wouldn't be discouraged.
- Should I have Khun Oo next week we'll see what'll occur - but possibly behind CLOSED doors what the eye won't see ... ?

-- bibi. --

Sounds like the guy wants to sell sex, without owning up to the fact that he sells sex...as if there's some big difference between oral sex and anal sex.