Was there a time when women were not allowed ? I can't see how it would detract from the bar.It reminds you the guys are actually straight.If it was a gay venue and tourists were coming to gawk that would be another matter.

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Speaking about straight bar boys....

I was in Boys BKK the other night for the 10.15 show. The place was totally smoke free with LOTS of signs posted everywhere announcing "NO SMOKING". But, I can't begin to tell you how pathetic it was to sit there and watch six totally straight guys try to do the fucking show. NONE of them was interested in doing the show at all....and it showed.

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-- Probably there wasn't any such time when wimmen were not allowed in - possibly more of an unwritten rule that wimmen, unless they were hardened old harridans, did not go to such places. In my score or so years of cuming to BKK. this spectacle of wimmin in a go-go bars is of fairly recent origin.
- 'JUPITER LOUNGE BAR.',(by S'wongse. Htl.'.), charges wimmen a premium to enter - I believe?
- But aren't Soi Twilight's a go-go bars g*y venues? The fact that many, if not most of the performers, may be straight doesn't detract from the fact that most of the acts are homos*x**l in content, does it?
- Are normal/straight people, both men & women, really interested-in/turned-on by seeing men f*ck*ng men?
-- bibi.. --

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Obviously, they are. More of a circus sideshow than anything erotic. Actually, that's the way I feel about those shows, as well.

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-- Agreed - erotic they are not!
- But not so sure about linking them to circus sideshows, wch. are usually more of a family e'tainment., aren't they? But maybe they are more like the freak shows one used to see behind closed curtains?
-- bibi. --

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Twilight is ever evolving it seems.The women don't seem to mind what the guys do to each other I suspect as they often off them and many a boy has had the fortune to squire a wealthy Japanese around for a week or so.I understand Japanese teens particularly have a curiosity about the variety of male activities.The enjoyment of ogling male flesh and merely treating sex as a diverting hobby most likely can be traced back to the emergence of the Spice Girls era of fun and freedom that matched the lack of inhibition lads had.What "normal" straights think I don't know,they probably don't stay.Depends on appetite.Myself,I would watch straight sex if the people were attractive.

Its a new,fluid world now and the uptight,kamp, mysogynist is a throwback.

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I only have another half score experience but I can recall women coming in to Twilight during all that time (although not sure about other bars). True, they used to sit more on the benches at the back rather than joining us lechers by the bar. But they were definitely there (and most were not ladyboys).

This is definitely true nowadays. Japanese women have a fascination with well-endowed Thai guys and are happy to lash out a fortune in Baht for a week of fun. After all, in Japan just one night with a young host from a trendy ladies club will cost them well over US$500 PLUS tip!

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-- Judging from the few boyz whom I've 'Offed.' from the Soi Twilight a go-go bars, once away from their vacuum pumps and other aids not all that many of them are that better-endowed than average, (avg., I'd say, is about 5ins. LOA.), - despite what one may have seen earlier on the stage.
- Are male hosts in BKK's. ladies' clubs better endowed, better performers or generally better all-round than those whom we see in Soi T'light.?
-- bibi.. --

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Women have always been welcome in Bangkok's male go-go and host bars. As early as 1990, I often went out whoring with female friends -- who partook of offs just as enthusiastically as I did.

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Females welcome - well not everywhere. Certainly Tawan Bar used to charge women three times the normal drink price, then a reduce to double and now I think it's the same. I think that the old Jupiter and Blue Star charged double.

It seems it's history now and that all male go-go bars welcome mixed groups and all women groups. After all they are commercial male go-go bars and not gay bars.

Most times they don't bother me much. I certainly would prefer to have women in bars than smokers.

I have compiled a list of bars obeying the new no smoking laws at

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com...ot-t14000.html

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Shows my total ignorance - I never realised there were ladies clubs in BKK! Even so, from my limited knowledge of young Japanese ladies (I lived in Japan for a few years), I know that in groups they will get a thrill out of attending a male go-go bar here. And compared to the average Japanese appendage, most Thai guys offer at least the promise of something more exciting.

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Would agree that Thai guys rate highly in the battle of the bulge.Japanese guys hold no big surprises and I saw many naked men using onsens there.One of the Bkk performers revealed to me that the only assistance they gave nature was to cut the elastic opening end of a condom off and roll it on the base of the erection to hold it while doing a big cock show.Doubtful that vacuum pumps are used very much due to unnecessary financial outlay and even availabiltiy in Bangkok.The naturally hung gravitate to the big cock show and the turnover is rapid.

btw Where are these escort bars for females in Bkk ?I know older women travel to parts of Africa for gigilos and hustlers in Bali but did not realise that there were venues set up here.There would be a big shift in personnel .

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I'd put the Skytrain as a much higher achievement.

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The Skytrain is dandy if you're one of the small fraction of Thais who benefit from it. I'd wager, though, that less than 2% of the overall population has ever set foot on it, much less use it regularly. I've only been on it maybe a dozen times over the years.

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so we can keep this thread on topic.

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