Well it is for those of us who post detailed accounts of our CFS's...

It sounds as thought you do if it involves anything outside of the homo "Christian Missionary Possy"!

A more or less direct quote from the Bishop of Whatsit or Cardinal Dicksucker.

I think you should stay away if you don't like our deliberate, detailed nay scientific postings on the issue closest to our hearts (read = dicks) covering issues of cruising for sex on crusingforsex.com. They would probably be more relevant to the Martha Stewart knitting circle website. Bye

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I'm hoping the details might also include the threadcount on the sheets on the massage table, plus of course the brand name on the sheets, this is definitely a decision maker for me.

And perhaps the exact specific volume of cum from the massage boy, plus an analysis of the salt level and the protein level.

Or perhaps a decible reading on the moan on the second ******.

Or perhaps a count of the number of times the massage boy said "I love you".

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Ahhh takes me back.. You of course mean 'I lurve you'. I remember meeting this fabulous fellow in Pattaya who within 20 seconds of meeting me told me ..."I lurve You'.. Of course I believed him and as proof you only had to feel his dick which was like steel! Not sure if there is a scientific 'hardness' scale but from that day to this, amongst my friends, his name (lets call him LEK) is now used as a 'hardness index' ... ie a bit on the soft side = 0.5Lek or better still a ripping great throbber = 1.2Lek etc.

Now back to more compulsive sexually oriented disturbing posts... Wait a minute its your turn!

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Got to agree, a hardness test must be included.

Perhaps we could all add some tests or criteria in an endeavour to build a specific ISO standard.

But can I suggest we use Grenwich mean time as an anchor point?

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Your observations are fairly accurate Kaojai. Speaking for myself I have spent far too much of my time with this so called "magnificent obsession".

The returns have been good on the time invested but at the detriment of other interests.

Maybe I can spend more time following other pursuits when I live in the "candy shop", maybe not

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Kaojai's posting was worthwhile and the lattitude/longitude part witty.I have often thought the same but adopted a live and let live approach.It's not as if he said "stop it or you'll go blind".

A measured, informative cruiser and lifestyle blog is Scoops.It guides without being breathless.But I read the other styles too.Just different strokes.

Was it the moderator who cautioned once not to move to Thailand just for sex ?

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Nice point about sex being the reason to move to Thailand. I believe there is another angle, some guys believe they have discovered utopia, and they quickly move to live in what see see as paradise, or perhaps gay pradise!

In fact I have two gay friends who (although they would not admit it at the time) did just that:

- The first guy quickly gave up a high paying satifying career after he first experienced the 'candy shop', sold everything to be with 'his sweetheart' who was in fact a married straight young man with small children and the young man was totally honest about this from day one, and not interested in having any form of 'relationship' with the farang. After 12 months the farang became very depressive, quickly spent all of his savings, pension pay out funds etc., then went home broke and totally disillusioned.

- Second guy spent about 5 years years learning Thai and became quite fluent, both speaking and writing, and was convinced that his Thai language skills would mean that he would instantly crack a high paid senior executive job in a Thai company. Trouble was that he had no other skills or real experience and no executive experience. After about 2 years of going nowhere he got angry with Thais and Thailand and got himself into several nasty confrontations with supermarket staff, bus ticket collectors, people who didn't hold the door open for him, government officials (e.g. Immigration officers), and more. Eventually his close friends became very concerned that he was going to get into serious trouble and they gave him an ultimatum: buy a ticket and leave within 14 days or we will buy a ticket and take you to the airport. He bought the ticket and took himself home.

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Like others, I hardly think that the pursuit of sex is disturbing or a waste of time. The reply above sounds like the ramblings of someone who "found" religion and is ashamed of their "evil" desires.

Obviously, some members here spend more time going to bars and saunas and theatres and massage places than others, but then again I'm sure I listen to music and eat more guava than most people too. We're all different and that's just part of life's rich pagaent.

I've been living in Bangkok for almost 12 years and find myself going out to bars less and less. That initial "wow" factor has lost its charm, but every once in a while (once a month; sometimes more often, sometimes much less) I'll go out and see what's on offer. The saunas never hooked me and I still haven't warmed up to the massage places. I use to frequent the old London Theatre a bit (it's not far from where I live) and spent a few unproductive afternoons at one dark den in Saphan Khwai, but the theatres never did much for me either.

Basically, I'm looking for both good sex and companionship. I crave affection more than anything. I've found several guys over the years who have become repeat visitors to my place, three of whom I consider to be good friends. Had one guy over last night that I've known for 10 years. Every year who celebrate his birthday together. I like doing that. I'm realistic enough to realize that the money I give these guys plays a BIG part in their returning to my place again and again, but I also feel like we've become friends of sorts. It's not just the sex that bonds us. We'll go out together to eat at restaurants, go bowling, see a band play at a bar, see a movie. Just normal stuff.

I won't lie; the availability of attractive younger guys was a big motivation for me moving here, but I also fell in love with other things about Thailand; the culture, the food, the people, and the laid back atmosphere. I shudder to think at the thought of living back in the USA again. No way. Thailand is my home now and I truly feel comfortable here.

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Hearty agreement here. Don't forget the tropical climate if you are a heat freak like me!

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In your rush to foam at the mouth and name call, you seem to have taken ownership of the website

Over the years I've probably posted more detailed (and probably more interesting) accounts of my experiences here and elsewhere under various posting identities ...( a couple of examples posted in the next message.) I'll have to look for some of your detailed and fascinating reports.

My point was that there are times when something that is good in moderation can escalate to an obsession. You may find it impossible to take an objective look at yourself, but I do from time to time. Just as someone who spends all his time downloading porn or gambling or boozing needs to assess if he is losing control to the point where one pursuit is becoming a 24/7 undertaking to the exclusion of all else, so too might it be a good idea for all of us to decide if we are spending too much in gogo bars and massage venues.

I've lived here for over ten years and I enjoy the gogo bars and to a lesser extent the massage places and I enjoy having a younger Thai friend who lives with me much of the time ... but when an enjoyable aspect of one's life becomes a compulsive obsession you need to decide if it's become more of an addiction than just an important form of enjoyment.

If you find those thoughts send you bouncing off the walls in furious denial, that might indicate something.

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A detailed report that I wrote after one of my monthly trips to Bangkok.

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And here is part of a response I wrote to someone on the matter of finding the right guy and repeatedly offing him to improve the experience with the benefits of familiarity.

And part of what I wrote after a recent visit to Senso:



I know this sort of thing doesn't compare to the thrill of longitude & lattitude or bus routes or endless repetition about big cock parades on Soi Twilight bars ... but I don't think it makes me a religious fanatic either.

Rather than having a spontaneous hysterectomy because someone suggests that "more can be less," maybe a thoughtful reasoned response ... or none at all ... would have been more appropriate.

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Which was largely my point. There's a lot on offer in Thailand and in our individual lives regardless of where we are living, in addition to the eye candy that is so readily available.

I too was overwhelmed when I first came here on holiday and discovered gogo bars and "a special boy."

I bought a condo here, spent as much as 3 or 4 months a year here and eventually settled here more or less permanently.

My life has revolved largely around 3 guys who I've had as long term friends in succession, a small groups of guys who I see fairly frequently, but just as very short-term encounters and the occasional foray into the bars in Bangkok or Pattaya.

I am sure most of us keep all of this in perspective and the "wow factor" has faded over the years, but there are times (maybe it's the phases of the moon ??) when I seem to be driven to hit the bars and massage places looking for something ... probably as you mention, affection and a personal, intimate interaction ... and wonder if I am overlooking what I already have ... a really wonderful longterm relationship and several other guys whose occasional "companionship" is always fun.

It's unfortunate that some people view my comments as a threat to their way of life. We probably have more in common than they realize. Just as we offer advice on the bars and massage venues, maybe we can sometimes help one another to avoid being carried away by it all.

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My one and only visit to Bangkok brought about a very interesting interaction with the bellman. After placing my bags, rather than the usual thing about getting ice, etc, he inquired if I was into boys or girls and said he could help me find either. This was not some whore house. I believe it was the Shangri-La. I certainly came to realize the Thai operate with a different attitude about sexuality. I can see where it would be intoxicating to a foreigner. In the end, though, the extreme heat of the climate and the pollution and noise of the city kept me out for more than a few days. Which reminds me: another visit is long overdue!

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I would have thought any sort of community spirit would imply a concern for members of the community.

I was simply observing that a few people seem to spend an inordinate amount of their time in the bars, massage venues and public toilets and have become obsessed with details.

I enjoy reading reports on the bars, etc from a wide spectrum of people with differing points of views whenever I plan my increasingly rare visits to Bangkok since it helps me to plan my day or two there.

Nothing that goes on in those places offends me nor do the adventures of those who report. I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong with those pursuits ... and it would be the height of hypocrisy for me to take that view.

Some expats who live here spend increasing amounts of time in bars drinking. Their descent into alcoholism (and usually depression) is sad to see. Of course what they do is none of my business, but if it were someone I had some interaction with I might still suggest they look for other things to do at least some of the time. Yes, that would make me a busy-body, but how could you claim a sense of community if you simply let them drink themselves into oblivion?

Likewise, some people who have lived here for an extended period of time seem to have no other activity other than pursuing sex in commercial venues. Even reading their endless reports you find them complaining about the shows and the boys and the smoking and, and, and. Even they admit it’s no longer enjoyable.

It's still none of my business, but the thought first arose because at times I think I spend too much time obsessing about such things and I see that, or worse, in others. Maybe from time to time we need to ask ourselves if we're letting something that was once an enjoyable part of our lives become an unsatisfying addiction.

We might joke about the thread count on the sheets in a hotel, but …

One massage venue recently added an alleged indication on their website as to whether or not individual boys were available or busy. Someone apparently spent hours tracking the system and wrote a feverish report exposing the inaccuracy of the information. It's sex folks. It's meant to be enjoyed and savoured. If you've developed a code for how much hair boys have on their legs or how wide their shoulders are compared to their hips ... you're officially around the bend.




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Someone really should throw some cold water on you … in a fit of virtuous community spirit.


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