I was in Babylon yesterday evening with a thai friend.
Very few people around on account of the exodus.
There will be no foam party tonight !

Or so I was told, but reliable information in Bkk these days !

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-- My Mature, 'Snow-bird.' & American Friend has visited BABYLON SAUNA several times since his arrival in BKK.;
- He visited a few days ago and met several Chinese nationals in their mid-twenties: all in professional employment and all non-smokers of cigarettes; (I mention that as I'd heard that many Ch. smoke like chimneys, but reportedly they are more likely to be of an older generation, many younger people are non-smokers.);
- He mentioned that, as far as he could judge, MORE Asians are visiting nowadays.
--

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I went to Babylon on Tuesday. There were approximately 10 farang for every asian - not a happy situation for me. Being a bit on the shortish side, when I'm around other farang, I often feel like I'm in the land of the giants... anyway, I decided to get a massage. The farang booking before me asked for a masseuse by name, which I found unusual. I was assigned my masseuse, and was very happy. A very handsome, thin guy. Really cute.

My body was very tight from travel (and age) and he did not go through all of the usual thai acrobatics with me, but instead gave me a very nice massage. I felt he was exposing me a little more than what was normal, but ignored it. Then, as I was lying on my back, he pulled my arm up over my head and rested my hand in his crotch. Not wanting to be rude, I curled my hand into a fist, but he opened it up so my palm was laying flat on his crotch. Then he did it with the other hand. This time I could feel something hard beginning to sprout. Finally, he pulled both of my arms up and placed both hands in his crotch. I began playing with his throbbing cock through his shorts wondering where, if anywhere, it would lead.

Well, it led nowhere, but it was a nice little surprise, especially since I was having no luck downstairs competing with the hoards of farang competing for the few asians.

When my massage was finished, he showed me into the lockers. I was going to head into the dark room, but decided I would go to my locker first and allow him to get his next client. When I exited, he was there waiting for me and I realized he expected a tip. Again, this was not normal for Babylon. I often like to tip the masseuses there, but never knew how to do it gracefully, since there is no place to hide any cash on my body wearing just a towel. I was happy to oblige and went back and got 200 baht for him. He told me he'd be there tomorrow. I told him I might not, but the next time I am at Babylon, I will ask for him.

I'm wondering, have things changed at Babylon regarding massage since I've been there two years ago?

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For those globe trotting Farangs that pine for the good ol' days of Babylon and are tired of fighting Euro-trash for a pool lounge or one of the available locals at the current Babylon, perhaps they should look to spread their wings..

Japan is a country where ageism in gay community is less evident than elsewhere. You can go to 24Kaikan in Tokyo and still be the Bell of the Ball. There is only ever one or maybe two other farangs there at any one time and always a lot of intrest in "The other white meat".

Also Hong Kong has a number of saunas. Nothing flash but the one I go to at TST is full of locals having a quickie between 4 and 6pm before going home to the wife and kids. Hardly any whiteys venture in and you feel like an exotic bird when you are there.

Variety is the spice of life

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Care to name the TST sauna?

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Galaxy Sauna.5/F Harilela Mansion, 81 Nathan Rd (opp Sheraton Kowloon), Tsim Sha Tsui,
its listed on Utopia. Its sort of HK run-down, with mainly over 30 chunky Chinese. Friendly drop in feel among the locals but not intimidating for whiteys

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Don't forget Singapore.

Or the dozens of saunas in Bangkok that aren't Babylon.

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Are we talking about the same Japan? I lived in Japan for six years and was pretty hot at the time and you'd think I had three eyes the way I was treated. I even spoke to non-Japanese Asians who said that Japanese guys would approach them, but when they found out they were not Japanese would just walk away. There are some Japanese who like gai-jin, but the majority do not. I would not waste my time or money going back to that place hoping to get laid.

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Where is your most unforgettable experience in Singapore?

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The dark room at 17...and further than that, the hand of discretion...

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17 is not really known for the chronologically gifted. maybe icon's experience was the exception to the rule. unless icon is one hot muscled daddy of course. singapore's version of gsm is hercules club - which is full of Gerontologically Advanced folks.

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I'm in my forties, been to 17 a ton of times, and always gotten more than my fill.

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I confirm pretty much the same summation re Japan. Luckily I worked 3 days out of every 14 working in shanghai which I enjoyed very much for entertainments, plus I had to work in Bkk about 5 or 6 days every month. I quickly wrote Japan off as not worth the trouble of trying.

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Perhaps I'm just the Belle of the Ball...?

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In Singapore Absolute in Chinatown is busy but be patient if you are GWM.

Tried Keybox and while it is friendly it is a bit virginal in attitude and young.

Japan 24 is a place where patience is your friend.

Hk Suana Galaxy has many older gents (a rarity in Asian public venues) with some nice here and there selections.Central has a good selection but fewer and I hear good reports about Action if you are still attractive.

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